Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 Part Two

Liam McPoyle · 13-12-2018 12:19AM

bassy wrote: »

think of all the years of good times and silverware for 20 odd years,no club can keep it up.you have to go through the rough times also.

The problems are glaringly obvious though. Jose has to go. The overpaid prima donnas like Pogba have to go. Woodward needs to step away from everything football related. A director of football needs to be brought in. If the club isn't careful then it will turn into Liverpool for the last 30 odd years.

Drumpot · 13-12-2018 12:21AM

Your Airbag wrote: »

Lol, that didn't take long.

Jose sets us up with 4 CM's and as a result we have no width. Non existent pressing yet again. Valencia are 4 points off relegation and the lowest scoring side in La Liga yet they cut through us at will and could have bagged 4 goals if they weren't such a poor side this season.

Jose also starts players who haven't got a consistent run out in months and are not used to playing with each other, hell, some of them are not even used to playing.

But, yeah tell us about that Pogba miss again.

All we need to round this off is Jose scapegoating via players to the press and his fans will lap it up as "individual errors". Newsflash, having an abysmal setup and player like Jones who are not used to playing with each other will lead to mistakes.....

....but forget all that, Jose will name drop Pogba in the coming days or it will only take a few posts slating him on here and you can go on with the crap players, individual errors delusion and pretend Jose is being wrongly done by and still a great manager.

Did you know When the seagulls follow the trawler, it’s Because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea....

bassy · 13-12-2018 12:22AM

Business Cat wrote: »

The problems are glaringly obvious though. Jose has to go. The overpaid prima donnas like Pogba have to go. Woodward needs to step away from everything football related. A director of football needs to be brought in. If the club isn't careful then it will turn into Liverpool for the last 30 odd years.

fully agree on the dof needed,but im not putting all this down to jose.there,s a awful lot going on at the club from players to woodward and beyond.it is currently a total mess that needs major over hauling and where you start i do not know,but i know a dof is the way to go.
a new manager?,who would that be?,and he aint going to sort united out over nite or any time soon.

Your Airbag · 13-12-2018 12:25AM

Drumpot wrote: »

Did you know When the seagulls follow the trawler, it’s Because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea....

Great deflection. So your incapable or unwilling to discuss Jose's obvious failings. Good for you.

Drumpot · 13-12-2018 12:27AM

bassy wrote: »

fully agree on the dof needed,but im not putting all this down to jose.there,s a awful lot going on at the club from players to woodward and beyond.it is currently a total mess that needs major over hauling and where you start i do not know,but i know a dof is the way to go.
a new manager?,who would that be?,and he aint going to sort united out over nite or any time soon.

Watch the start of the united documentary about their demise in the 70s. Edwards and Busby undermining OFarrel is cited as the reason there was no team morale or confidence.

People keep waffling about tactics that is not the problem at all. The tactics haven’t changed that dramatically from last season and football hasn’t moved on that much. The team is bereft of confidence and part of that is because the board undermined the manager and any ambitious players hope this season. Yeh, not all managers react like Jose but the most successful Clubs are working with, no against their managers.

Drumpot · 13-12-2018 12:28AM

Your Airbag wrote: »

Great deflection. So your incapable or unwilling to discuss Jose's obvious failings. Good for you.

Besides its teeth and claws, honey badger uses stinky odor produced in the anal gland to chase away predators.

Your Airbag · 13-12-2018 12:38AM

Drumpot wrote: »

Besides its teeth and claws, honey badger uses stinky odor produced in the anal gland to chase away predators.

If only Jose trained UTD to have some teeth and claws on the pitch.

J. Marston · 13-12-2018 12:40AM

This is very funny...

https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/a5n0y9/lukaku_and_his_first_touch_setting_the_tone_for/

and depressing.

DM_7 · 13-12-2018 12:48AM

Another poor day for the team. Yet the scenario going in, with the game treated as nothing, with many of the most demoralised players thrown in just to fulfill a game the result (performance and actual loss) means little.

The focus was already on the next game. One to move past quickly, it is games like the last home game in Champions League that would be the concern.

Liam McPoyle · 13-12-2018 12:52AM

bassy wrote: »

fully agree on the dof needed,but im not putting all this down to jose.there,s a awful lot going on at the club from players to woodward and beyond.it is currently a total mess that needs major over hauling and where you start i do not know,but i know a dof is the way to go.
a new manager?,who would that be?,and he aint going to sort united out over nite or any time soon.

Jardim is the best option currently available.

I don't expect over night success. We knew that lean years were incoming when the GOAT left and considering we enjoyed the cream for damn near a quarter of a century I can accept it. Since SAF left we've won 3 trophies, albeit the 3 lesser trophies but the team has not had any kind of identity or style since then.

Pep and City know what they want and how to achieve it.

Klopp and LFC know what they want and are making strides to achieve it. Their weak spots were identified and filled successfully, at least defensively.

Poch and Spurs know what they want and even though they are operating on a short string budget they look miles ahead of us on field.

Emery and Arse know what they want. It's his first season and already he has them looking better than they have done in years.

Sarri and Chelsea know what they want and picked up what looks like a gem in Jorginho. Of course the Abramovich spectre looms large there so they are something of a wild card however one can only admire Romans ruthlessness.

Then there's us. Jose doesn't seem to know what he wants nor how to get it. The board is happy to throw money at players that in the main have not worked and I don't just mean Jose signings. We are a squad that shows (very) occasional flashes of brilliance but we look ultimately bereft of anything resembling a team.

Jardim managed a team of older and younger stars and had them playing some of the best football in Europe for a couple of seasons. His stars being pillaged year in year out was an impossible mountain to climb. So get him in on an 18 month deal and see what happens. It sure as shyt couldn't be any worse than the abject skitter we are suffering nowadays.

Robson99 · 13-12-2018 01:01AM

Drumpot wrote: »

People keep waffling about tactics that is not the problem at all.

Do you watch any of our games at all??

bassy · 13-12-2018 01:02AM

Business Cat wrote: »

Jardim is the best option currently available.

I don't expect over night success. We knew that lean years were incoming when the GOAT left and considering we enjoyed the cream for damn near a quarter of a century I can accept it. Since SAF left we've won 3 trophies, albeit the 3 lesser trophies but the team has not had any kind of identity or style since then.

Pep and City know what they want and how to achieve it.

Klopp and LFC know what they want and are making strides to achieve it. Their weak spots were identified and filled successfully, at least defensively.

Poch and Spurs know what they want and even though they are operating on a short string budget they look miles ahead of us on field.

Emery and Arse know what they want. It's his first season and already he has them looking better than they have done in years.

Sarri and Chelsea know what they want and picked up what looks like a gem in Jorginho. Of course the Abramovich spectre looms large there so they are something of a wild card however one can only admire Romans ruthlessness.

Then there's us. Jose doesn't seem to know what he wants nor how to get it. The board is happy to throw money at players that in the main have not worked and I don't just mean Jose signings. We are a squad that shows (very) occasional flashes of brilliance but we look ultimately bereft of anything resembling a team.

Jardim managed a team of older and younger stars and had them playing some of the best football in Europe for a couple of seasons. His stars being pillaged year in year out was an impossible mountain to climb. So get him in on an 18 month deal and see what happens. It sure as shyt couldn't be any worse than the abject skitter we are suffering nowadays.

agree on a lot said there,but spurs will never win anything,levy is just happy with top 4 and i know we would be right now also.but theres no trophys coming spurs way anytime soon.

emery has done a great job so far in hes 1st season but also like spurs,arsenal aint winning big trophys anytime soon the top 4 is there ambition aka spurs.

jardim don,t know much about him,but hes not proven nor is he a winner in the regards to trophys on the big stage,hence probaly why you mentioned a 18 mth contract.

sarri has done a good job so far but like chelsea all over he won,t reign long there as there worse than madrid for sacking managers.conte won the league and that still was,nt enough.

im afraid city are going to be around for years to come under pep and like chelsea the will eventually win the holy grail.

where does that leave united,i really don,t wanna talk about it.but if we lose the weekend then it will be no top 4 finish for us.even right now top 4 is miles away cause spurs and arsenal are getting results where we are a mess from start to finish,oh i don,t know

Your Airbag · 13-12-2018 01:47AM

Drumpot wrote: »

Watch the start of the united documentary about their demise in the 70s. Edwards and Busby undermining OFarrel is cited as the reason there was no team morale or confidence.

People keep waffling about tactics that is not the problem at all. The tactics haven’t changed that dramatically from last season and football hasn’t moved on that much. The team is bereft of confidence and part of that is because the board undermined the manager and any ambitious players hope this season. Yeh, not all managers react like Jose but the most successful Clubs are working with, no against their managers.

I could not think of a single phrase to say in seriousness that could be more self dis-crediting than this.

To say that our tactics are not a problem at all. Oh Man, you've gone so far down the defend Jose rabbit hole that you can't see the reality of the situation anymore. You just cannot expect to be taken seriously with posts like that.

xtal191 · 13-12-2018 01:50AM

I don't really get the point in moaning about Mourinho anymore, he 100% wont be here next season. I'm sure the majority of our fan base would agree that he has to go but the main problem is ****ing Woodward and the board, its clear as day we've needed a change for months now but these ****ing idiots are happy to right off the whole season and possibly even next season by delaying the inevitable. Now it's just gonna be the same aul ****e of getting in a new manager in the summer who wont even have enough time to get rid of all the ****ing deadwood in this squad.

Ninthlife · 13-12-2018 01:57AM

Another very disapppinting performance never mind result..

Players who shouldve been cut loose long ago still playing doing the same stuff that theyve always done but get rewarded with contract extensions etc

2 players purchased for nearly 200 million total and both look totally inept of this level of football

I do think something is rotten within the club, too many areas are underperforming but it seems acceptable.

Its going to take years to repair the damage sadly

keane2097 · 13-12-2018 02:06AM

What would it look like if the United manager was doing a terrible job?

wanderer100 · 13-12-2018 07:12AM

Our team captain ladies and gentlemen. Can’t speak a word of English and has no respect for the fans. Really hope that was his last game in a Utd shirt. Dalot better start on Sunday

https://twitter.com/utdreport/status/1072973786457214979?s=21

Mitch Connor · 13-12-2018 08:14AM

DM_7 wrote: »

Another poor day for the team. Yet the scenario going in, with the game treated as nothing, with many of the most demoralised players thrown in just to fulfill a game the result (performance and actual loss) means little.

The focus was already on the next game. One to move past quickly, it is games like the last home game in Champions League that would be the concern.

Would be more believable that it was a focus issue if it wasnt an utterly typical performance.

Jose is incapable of motivating this side or imprinting any form of tactical plan on a consistent basis. Needs the boot. Nothing will change under him.

bangkok · 13-12-2018 09:20AM

Your Airbag wrote: »

I could not think of a single phrase to say in seriousness that could be more self dis-crediting than this.

To say that our tactics are not a problem at all. Oh Man, you've gone so far down the defend Jose rabbit hole that you can't see the reality of the situation anymore. You just cannot expect to be taken seriously with posts like that.

Exactly. How anyone can say its not tactics with a straight face is beyond me. Tactics are probably 80% of the issue with the team right now

13-12-2018 09:24AM

bangkok wrote: »

Exactly. How anyone can say its not tactics with a straight face is beyond me. Tactics are probably 80% of the issue with the team right now

What tactics should be used to get the best out of the most expensive/well paid players Lukaku, Pogba and Sanchez then?

JB81 · 13-12-2018 09:50AM

I don't think I have ever posted in this thread before, and over the years of Ferguson I have admired Man Utd ( albeit with jealously ) for what they done and won.

Normally when things are going wrong at a football club it is one of three things:

The Manager
The Players
Money ( Board )

I don't know much about your board situation however a lot of fans are not happy with the Glazers input or running of the club.

The players? There are good players at the club. Of course there is.

Your problem in Mourinho. Jose Mourinho has never left a club (or a period at a club) in a good position bar maybe Porto, but that was before it became all about him. He is septic. Man Utd need to get rid of him asap. If I was on Utd board I would be doing it today!
He never goes into a club with a plan for ?? years. Its only about the here and now and what he can do to boost his own ego ( See Inter ). He has no interest in a 'project'. Which is what Man Utd need now. Someone to come in and sit down and start again and start building.
He has no man management skills, players will always turn on him ( see chelsea/hazard etc.. ).

I don't really know who would be a good fit for them after Mourinho, because whoever comes in has some mess to clean up. However I have no doubt whoever it would be will have no problem improving performances immediately once his 'dark cloud' has lifted.

Dare I say it you would do a whole lot worse than Someone like Eddie Howe ( I have a massive respect for what he has done and continues to do ). He has age on his side, and humility, and has his team playing great stuff with some limited players. If and when Klopp leaves Eddie Howe would be the one I would like to come in to Liverpool.

You take Lukaku, Fred, Pogba, De Gea, Rashford, Martial, Shaw. There are good players in there, and its the manager who has demoralised them. His tactics are awful or maybe outdated. Man Utd a park the bus team? Should never have gotten to this point. He done well to win the Europa and finish second, but he seems to have regressed his tactics even further, and his whole me me me persona is choking the whole club. I would expect all fans at this stage are fed up.

I don't want Utd to be where they once were, but rivalries are good for everyone and for football. Its sad to watch actually.

Nalz · 13-12-2018 09:52AM

We jammed wins against Young boys and Juve, are we were pathetic vs Valencia at home. How we qualified for knockouts is beyond me.

bangkok · 13-12-2018 09:56AM

Liam O wrote: »

What tactics should be used to get the best out of the most expensive/well paid players Lukaku, Pogba and Sanchez then?

Play a higher line from the defense.

Press when opposition have the ball.

Overlapping full backs

Close the gap between the lines, we are probably one of the easiest teams to play against in that regard.

All of the above would be a start

Rossi IRL · 13-12-2018 10:13AM

bangkok wrote: »

Play a higher line from the defense.

Press when opposition have the ball.

Overlapping full backs

Close the gap between the lines, we are probably one of the easiest teams to play against in that regard.

All of the above would be a start

And not just for one game, it needs to be done consistently over a period of time.

Mitch Connor · 13-12-2018 10:18AM

bangkok wrote: »

Play a higher line from the defense.

Press when opposition have the ball.

Overlapping full backs

Close the gap between the lines, we are probably one of the easiest teams to play against in that regard.

All of the above would be a start

Playing Sanchez from the left impacted Martial and Rashford, without Sanchez doing well. IMO we should have tried more with him from the right or centrally as a second striker off Lukaku.

I dunno WTF is wrong with Lukaku this season - he never had the touch of Zidane but he is playing his worst ever football imo. His touch is way worse than we have seen from him in the past, at the moment, and he is absolutely rubbish. It can't all be about the muscle put on.

What we also need is wingers, but in the absence of them we need to shape the team so the fullbacks going beyond the 'wide' players when they come in field. We had absolutely no width for large chunks last season.

We constantly stand off the opposition, only moving in when they control the ball, at which point they pass if off to the next player that is 5 yards off his 'marker' and can easily collect. When we press properly we look like an actual team, so we can do it - so why don't we? If the players just arent doing it why aren't the coaching staff on the side lines screaming at them to push up?

The depth we defend at, and the lack of pace in our play out inhibits any attack as well. Fellaini as the deepest player for much of last night ment slow ball out of the back line.

The players aren't good enough to win the league, but they are better than at most other teams, but our performances and results dont show that - so there is a disconect between base quality and performance levels.

The fact we put such a defensive responsibility on our wide forwards also means the full backs from the opposition don't have to worry as much about leaving space behind them, cause they can likely recover as quick as we could expose them.

There is so much wrong with how we set up the side.

whatawaster · 13-12-2018 10:24AM

Liam O wrote: »

What tactics should be used to get the best out of the most expensive/well paid players Lukaku, Pogba and Sanchez then?

Don't play Lukaku would be my suggestion.

A front 3 of Martial, Sanchez and Lingard/Rashford has pace/movement/dynamism and creativity. The very thing that City/Liverpool/Arsenal/Chelsea/Spurs all have in their attacks. The very thing United lack.

Play Pogba behind that trio.

Two midfielders behind Pogba and two attacking full-backs.

Change will only come with a change of manager. Jose is finished.

malinheader · 13-12-2018 10:30AM

At any other club the manager would of been long gone before now.Even as sign of intent to try and change things. The truth is the board don't give a damn about the history of the club and the supporters. It was bought by the glazers to become an advertising money making machine football comes second. Mourinho still there proves this

Liam McPoyle · 13-12-2018 10:33AM

Pogba can get fcuked tbh. As poor as Rom has been at least he looks like he gives a bollox, Pogba is simply phoning it in until Jose gets the boot. I'd be more than happy if he never played for us again. We look a far better team with out either of them in the team and neither deserve to start against LFC. They are rightly heavy favourites so id love to see us throw caution to the wind and just go for it, hard to see Jose do anything remotely like that though.

pjohnson · 13-12-2018 10:36AM

Liverpool have a good enough midfield without helping them more by playing Pogba.

Mitch Connor · 13-12-2018 10:37AM

Saw this tweet from last night, sums it up nicely.

https://twitter.com/RichRedVoices/status/1072982490011365376

"We basically play a system that exposes all of our weaknesses. We play deep, inviting teams onto a porous defence, we try to counter attack without pace or width and we expect a bloke with a poor first touch to hold long balls up."

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 Part Two

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