'The Haunting Soldier' sculpture vandalised

Dyr · 25-11-2018 06:47PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

So you'd be happy with an Ottoman soldier?

By your own logic, you would be happy with an ottoman or german soldier, the uniform doesnt matter right? And sure if you're happy that will do me

You mean that celebration of starvation, featuring British subjects, that revels in death. Yes, all the imperialists like that one.

I mean the Irish Seamans Memorial, you obviously don't know what it is. It's very tasteful though, as is the Garden of Rememberance. No Jingoism to be found, just the National Flag.

As is the National War Memorial Gardens, Fianna Fail were never going to let anything that went OTT with the glorification be built, and its all the better for it.

Compare that to sticking up a gigantic statue of a British Soldier

P_1 · 25-11-2018 06:47PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

In terms of the Irish men who went, I see foolish deluded souls who made fatal mistakes.
In terms of the British soldiers, poor conscripted cannon fodder. TBH.

When was the fatal mistake? Was it participating in the strikes of 1913, which resulted in many Dubs being blacklisted from employment? Was it signing up for a war that was promised to be over by Christmas to put food on the families table or to keep their room in a hovel of a tenement? Or was it agreeing with Redmond and signing up in the hope of achieving Home Rule?

Timberrrrrrrr · 25-11-2018 06:48PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You are always on the British side in these debates wether it be defending the actions of the British in northern Ireland or to criticise republican beliefs and ideals. That makes you anti Irish in my book. Your views may find favour with Irish partitionists and hat doffers to a 'lost monarchy' but you know my views on that demographic too.

Maybe because....yaknow....im British? I have never had a problem condoning the actions of the BA and governments and thier actions uo North and in other countries, I also don't ctitisise Republican beliefs per se, only the beluef of the zealots who think the IRA did no wrong.

And you keep saying it is 'crap' and very little else tbh. Good for you. Well done that man.

It is crap, yet no one is surprised you keep posting it, you're like an auld

Because it is spilling over to here. And it needs to be challenged as do poppy fascists attacking Irish people for not wearing one in Old Blighty.

Timberrrrrrrr · 25-11-2018 06:49PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You are always on the British side in these debates wether it be defending the actions of the British in northern Ireland or to criticise republican beliefs and ideals. That makes you anti Irish in my book. Your views may find favour with Irish partitionists and hat doffers to a 'lost monarchy' but you know my views on that demographic too.

Maybe because....yaknow....im British? I have never had a problem condoning the actions of the BA and governments and thier actions uo North and in other countries, I also don't ctitisise Republican beliefs per se, only the beluef of the zealots who think the IRA did no wrong.

And you keep saying it is 'crap' and very little else tbh. Good for you. Well done that man.

It is crap, yet no one is surprised you keep posting it, you're like an auld fog with a bone when you Get yourself a new phrase.

Because it is spilling over to here. And it needs to be challenged as do poppy fascists attacking Irish people for not wearing one in Old Blighty.

You keep claiming this yet cannot seem to explain how when i have asked you.

RandomName2 · 25-11-2018 06:54PM

Bambi wrote: »

By your own logic, you would be happy with an ottoman or german soldier, the uniform doesnt matter right? And sure if you're happy that will do me

Irish soldiers were unlikely to be fighting in either the ottoman or german armies, so I can't see the relevance that they would pose. Well, some Republicans, and some Unionists, might favor German soldiers, for political reasons.

Irish soldiers would be in British, ANZAC, Canadian or US armies. British, Canadian and ANZAC soldiers were pretty much indistinguishable.

mick malones mauser · 25-11-2018 06:58PM

P_1 wrote: »

mick malones mauser wrote: »

ALL the little Englander wannabees with their my granddaddy fought for the Army that was terrorising my country and I demand he be remembered as a hero.
Jesus wept. No other country would even consider pandering to these fruitcakes

1988 is calling, their village is missing an idiot

This from a person who lives in the past.
Carlsberg dont do Irony...

RandomName2 · 25-11-2018 06:59PM

mick malones mauser wrote: »

Carlsberg dont do Irony...

You already made that joke!

Timberrrrrrrr · 25-11-2018 06:59PM

klaaaz wrote: »

That someone is supporting the murder of people belonging to the Irish nation and funding the welfare of the murderers, that's why. Most political parties north and south do not support the wearing of the British poppy so get off your perch preaching "its all the republicans fault" in opposing it.

In your opinion.

P_1 · 25-11-2018 07:06PM

mick malones mauser wrote: »

This from a person who lives in the past.
Carlsberg dont do Irony...

You know what, I wasn't going to dignify that with a reply but how in the name of Ronnie Drew's saggy left bollock does not being wed to a nonsense propoganda vision of history equate to living in the past? Look to history, learn from it, make friends from all over the world, visit them and for Odins sake man, find a better beer

Lefty Bicek · 25-11-2018 07:09PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

Ambivalent?

Written at the base

For those who can't read German it says:

In memory and honor of the 2000 sons of the city of Hamburg who fell for The Fatherland.
In spite of wounds
Ready for the deed today as then
And at all times
Germany
For you.

Loyalty
Is first and last
In heaven and on earth
Whosoever invests his whole soul in it will gain the crown.'

Yikes

Much more interesting about the piece you chose is the piece in it's shadow...

Sculpture of a child mourning over different helmets of the armies of different countries. It serves as an anti-monument to mitigate the effect of the heroic soldier standing next to it.

http://vanderkrogt.net/statues/object.php?webpage=ST&record=dehh064

The thorny issue of helmets and identity...

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Lefty Bicek · 25-11-2018 07:11PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Maybe because....yaknow....im British? I have never had a problem condoning the actions of the BA and governments and thier actions uo North and in other countries, I also don't ctitisise Republican beliefs per se, only the beluef of the zealots who think the IRA did no wrong.

Freudian.

FrancieBrady · 25-11-2018 07:12PM

P_1 wrote: »

When was the fatal mistake? Was it participating in the strikes of 1913, which resulted in many Dubs being blacklisted from employment? Was it signing up for a war that was promised to be over by Christmas to put food on the families table or to keep their room in a hovel of a tenement? Or was it agreeing with Redmond and signing up in the hope of achieving Home Rule?

All of those where mistakes.

People make them. There is nothing more tio be said about the reality of that.

It was a pitiful and ignominious death and there was nothing gallant or honourable in them. It was wasted life tbh and that should be front and centre of any 'remembering'. So that people don't make the same fatal mistakes again.

mick malones mauser · 25-11-2018 07:13PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

mick malones mauser wrote: »

Carlsberg dont do Irony...

You already made that joke!

Its a good one though
And there are an awful lot of slow learners on here.
Glad you are paying attention though

FrancieBrady · 25-11-2018 07:13PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

In your opinion.

Of course it is his/her opinion, are you under the delusion that your's is gospel and cannot be challenged? :rolleyes:

RobbingBandit · 25-11-2018 07:16PM

Sculpture removed this afternoon a worthwhile protest would have been Black and Tan paint but philistine anarchists used red.

mick malones mauser · 25-11-2018 07:17PM

P_1 wrote: »

mick malones mauser wrote: »

This from a person who lives in the past.
Carlsberg dont do Irony...

You know what, I wasn't going to dignify that with a reply but how in the name of Ronnie Drew's saggy left bollock does not being wed to a nonsense propoganda vision of history equate to living in the past? Look to history, learn from it, make friends from all over the world, visit them and for Odins sake man, find a better beer

Living in the past..
Hmmm now lets see..maybe people who want to keep remembering a war fought between several empires run by criminal gangs which ended 100 years ago. Instead of doing the decent thing and confining that industrial scale slaughter to the dustbin of history.

Timberrrrrrrr · 25-11-2018 07:19PM

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

Freudian.

Yes facepalm.jpeg

I meant condemning

Lefty Bicek · 25-11-2018 07:21PM

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Sculpture removed this afternoon a worthwhile protest would have been Black and Tan paint but philistine anarchists used red.

Now, now !

We mustn't be too critical of the Tans.

Sure weren't they only trying to earn a few bob for themselves, and sure isn't that always a valid course of action ?

RandomName2 · 25-11-2018 07:26PM

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

Much more interesting about the piece you chose is the piece in it's shadow...

I chose that piece because it is more relevant, and more typical of the sculptures in the interwar period. The other piece you're talking about wasn't built for another half century.

P_1 · 25-11-2018 07:30PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

All of those where mistakes.

People make them. There is nothing more tio be said about the reality of that.

It was a pitiful and ignominious death and there was nothing gallant or honourable in them. It was wasted life tbh and that should be front and centre of any 'remembering'. So that people don't make the same fatal mistakes again.

Tbh that's how I do 'remembrance'

You wouldn't catch me dead wearing a poppy considering what it represents, elites sending people off to die to continue their profits rolling in.

Edgware · 25-11-2018 07:31PM

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Sculpture removed this afternoon a worthwhile protest would have been Black and Tan paint but philistine anarchists used red.

Or they could have brought their watches on 100 years and get a life

Lefty Bicek · 25-11-2018 07:33PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

I chose that piece because it is more relevant, and more typical of the sculptures in the interwar period. The other piece you're talking about wasn't built for another half century.

I can see for myself when it dates from.

Still, it represents a more imaginative and less partisan view of the horrors of war than a piece which is much later again ie Haunting Soldier.

But I'm not disputing what you say vis a vis what is typical inter-war statuary. Some more examples would be interesting though, please and thanks.

The piece I linked to doesn't make any pretense to being systematic, and says so explicitly.

Lefty Bicek · 25-11-2018 07:34PM

Edgware wrote: »

Or they could have brought their watches on 100 years and get a life

Yet, here you are.

whisky_galore · 25-11-2018 08:27PM

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Sculpture removed this afternoon a worthwhile protest would have been Black and Tan paint but philistine anarchists used red.

Where can you get black and tan paint? Woodies DIY?

whisky_galore · 25-11-2018 08:33PM

P_1 wrote: »

Tbh that's how I do 'remembrance'

You wouldn't catch me dead wearing a poppy considering what it represents, elites sending people off to die to continue their profits rolling in.

People can wear a poppy if they want to. It might not be your cup of tea but it's a free country. Likewise people can join the BA if they want to. Even (gasp) Irish people! Neither are my bag, but I don't piss on people who do.

FrancieBrady · 25-11-2018 08:34PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

People can wear a poppy if they want to. It might not be your cup of tea but it's a free country. Likewise people can join the BA if they want to. Even (gasp) Irish people! Neither are my bag, but I don't piss on people who do.

And they can be criticised for it.

whisky_galore · 25-11-2018 08:36PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And they can be criticised for it.

Whatever.

It's their choice and none of my business. Or yours.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 25-11-2018 08:44PM

mick malones mauser wrote: »

Thankfully the statue is now gone.

I'm just home from a very moving stand down ceremony and well I have to correct you, the Haunting Soldier is still there.

But do you know what wasn't?.. The cowards who attacked it with red paint or all the internet keyboard warriors who have been so vehement in their protest.

Although its dark now, and the crowds have gone. The cowards might crawl back from under their rocks and attack it one last time, yellow bellied bastards.

One thing is sure, the men from all sides whom this sculpture represents will be long remembered when these windbags have moved onto find something else to protest and attack like the cowards they are.

Glad to see there was hundreds in attendance.

FrancieBrady · 25-11-2018 08:48PM

Kinley Microscopic Stirrup wrote: »

I'm just home from a very moving stand down ceremony and well I have to correct you, the Haunting Soldier is still there.

But do you know what wasn't?.. The cowards who attacked it with red paint or all the internet keyboard warriors who have been so vehement in their protest.

Although its dark now, and the crowds have gone. The cowards might crawl back from under their rocks and attack it one last time, yellow bellied bastards.

One thing is sure, the men from all sides whom this sculpture represents will be long remembered when these windbags have moved onto find something else to protest and attack like the cowards they are.

Glad to see there was hundreds in attendance.

Seriously? They had a stand down ceremony for a statue? Sentimentality gone to illness proportions to be honest.

mick malones mauser · 25-11-2018 08:50PM

Glad you enjoyed it Makikomi
Hopefully some day there will be a fitting memorial to the MILLIONS of mainly poor working class men boys who were sent to their deaths by uncaring monsters.
A white dove with the words Never Again would be great

'The Haunting Soldier' sculpture vandalised

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