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Does anyone else think the "Just talk about it" is just not good enough.

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  • #32
    Maxpfizer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 496 ✭✭Maxpfizer


    Fozzydog3 wrote: »
    Rant ahead:

    Women get free breast and cervical checks, ribbons, marathons, public service ads , mobile clinics, marches, coffee mornings awareness campaigns and referenda for uniquely women's issues. For one of the biggest issues affecting men today all we get is "Just talk about it", the sentiment is good but it seems to remove responsibilty from the HSE and places it on the victims for not opening up and the victim's friends and family for not listening.

    I'm lucky that I'm not suicidal but if the feeling were ever to creep up on me I don't think my friends would have the resources or skills needed to 'snap' me out of it. Do they seriously expect your average person to replace the role of medically qualified people ?

    One of the main things about support for women in all of the areas you have mentioned is that a lot of that support has come about through academic research and activism.

    So the academics identify an problem (30% of women are blah blah blah) and the activists in turn put pressure on society to implement programs or changes etc.

    Go to society at large with "I'm a men's rights activist and I think we should..." and you will be derided.

    For "men's issues" there is a large part of the discussion that basically boils down to "blame it on men".

    The Patriarchy hurts men too!
    Toxic Masculinity isn't just bad for women it's bad for men!
    Men need Feminism!

    There's not going to be much more than "just talk about it" and "if men would just talk more" until we can undo the idea that mens issues are mens fault.

    Wasn't one of Blindboys solutions just "men need Feminism"?


  • #33
    Triceratops Ballet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Triceratops Ballet


    Maxpfizer wrote:
    Go to society at large with "I'm a men's rights activist and I think we should..." and you will be derided.


    Women's rights activists were derided when they started too (they still are BTW) , as were gay rights activists and civil rights activists but they persisted and our world is totally different because of them.
    If a cause has merit people will support it it may take time but it happens. If you don't start nothing happens.

    I'm struggling to think of what you could finish that sentence with that would be derided
    "I'm a mens rights activist and I think we should..."
    Allow fathers greater rights and access to their children...
    Tackle the issue of suicide in a meaningful way through x y z initiatives
    Two examples, I'm sure there are plenty more, but if nobody speaks up about them in a productive way nobody gets heard.
    The squeeky wheel gets the grease and all.


  • #34
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    They apply the female mind to men.

    Which doesn't work in general, 'just talk about it' ain't going to cut it with your average male.

    Mental issues in men need to be approached at from an entirely different angle.


  • #35
    completedit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    Just talk about it is the most meaningless load of ****ing waffle I've ever heard. Nobody gives a **** except your closest family if you're lucky and even still they don't get it. People can only talk about depression when it's some celebrity or public figure who doesn't know why they're depressed despite having 'it all', when it's just a regular person, people haven't a clue how to respond.


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