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'The Haunting Soldier' sculpture vandalised

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,176 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    It's a pity that greater effort wasn't made to make it look less like a British Tommy.

    Ah well, another chance to condemn what could only have been anticipated, and roll out the 'we are mature as a nation' narrative.

    What should it look like then? An American Doughboy? An ANZAC? Or maybe a French Poilu? Most Irish men that served wore a uniform almost identical to the statue.



    But we arent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    Are they sure its paint? Could be seagull $hite. Them Dublin town seagulls are big

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    klaaaz wrote: »
    Remind us of the

    Coagh ambush

    Loughgall ambush

    Clonoe ambush

    Gladly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    Most Irish men that served wore a uniform almost identical to the statue.

    So what ? It wasn't commissioned to remember Irishmen.

    It is only here on loan, it was a private client commission.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,176 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    So what ? It wasn't commissioned to remember Irishmen.

    It is only here on loan, it was a private client commission.

    Still a fact that people here aren't mature enough yet. Or will they ever be....?

    Can only imagine all the toys that'll be fired out of prams when the Civil War centenary rolls around.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    vonlars wrote: »
    What makes you think it's a British soldier? 200,000 Irishmen fought in WWI. Should we forget them simply because of whose side they were on while fighting for peace?


    I think we all know that the statue is in Dublin to commemorate British soldiers who came from Ireland and chose for many different reasons to join the British army.


    To say anything else is really disingenuous, I don't understand the reluctance on the part of many Irish people to disassociate those that fought in WW1 from the British army, it's a fact, do you believe they were in some other army?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    Gatling wrote: »
    Coagh ambush

    Loughgall ambush

    Clonoe ambush

    Gladly

    Oh really, the mind boggles why you quote Republican atrocities in response to British Army atrocities, then again, there is a serious whiff of Unionism is your postings.

    Bloody Sunday in Derry, Ballymurphy massacre, Dublin & Monaghan bombings, the North King street massacre, the Bloody Sunday Croke Park massacre, the Glennane Gang responsible for maybe about 150 murders plus the collusion in the Loughinisland massacre. And the war crimes committed by the British Army during the war of independence against our heroic freedom fighters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    Still a fact that people here aren't mature enough yet.

    Some of us are mature enough to get our facts straight before we post.

    ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭theguzman


    I think what upsets people is that it was primarily Irish Unionists who joined the British Army at the time, but these deserved to be remembered the exact same as Irish soldiers such as Pearse, Collins or Bobby Sands.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    I never said it makes them British. I said they miss the irony of professing to hate all things British whilst simultaneously wearing English soccer jerseys.


    Do you think those that vandalised the statue were English football supporters?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭Allinall


    theguzman wrote: »
    I think what upsets people is that it was primarily Irish Unionists who joined the British Army at the time, but these deserved to be remembered the exact same as Irish soldiers such as Pearse, Collins or Bobby Sands.

    Bobby Sands wasn’t a soldier.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭no.8


    If you could just see past your bitterness, you'd realise that there's a difference between commemorating ordinary soldiers who fought and died in that war and glorifying the empires they fought for.


    Likely a challenge to get through to someone who fails to see past an emblem on an admirals blazer, and not on the losses suffered by working class men and women on both sides. Very easy to sit by your computer in 2018 and determine that those who sacrificed themselves for their family, and possibly beliefs, did so foolishly. I hope the cowards, stains of you know what who did that are caught and thought a lesson on history (or indeed pushed into front line service)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭theguzman


    Allinall wrote: »
    Bobby Sands wasn’t a soldier.


    He played his role in the struggle but I was just using him as an example. There is a disgraceful element of anti-British outright racism in Dublin and I really noticed it this year when England lost to Croatia in the World Cup Semi-Final, I would say there would hardly be as big a celebration and shouting and roaring on the streets if Dublin had just won the All-Ireland as there was in England's soccer downfall.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,430 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Some of us are mature enough to get our facts straight before we post.

    ;)

    That's funny.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    no.8 wrote: »
    Likely a challenge to get through to someone who fails to see past an emblem on an admirals blazer, and not on the losses suffered by working class men and women on both sides. Very easy to sit by your computer in 2018 and determine that those who sacrificed themselves for their family, and possibly beliefs, did so foolishly. I hope the cowards, stains of you know what who did that are caught and thought a lesson on history (or indeed pushed into front line service)

    Beatings will continue until morale improves, eh ?

    Tally ho !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    It's a sculpture of a British soldier in Dublin, of course it was going to be vandalised. Did they not have CCTV pointed at it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Church on Tuesday


    theguzman wrote: »
    He played his role in the struggle but I was just using him as an example. There is a disgraceful element of anti-British outright racism in Dublin and I really noticed it this year when England lost to Croatia in the World Cup Semi-Final, I would say there would hardly be as big a celebration and shouting and roaring on the streets if Dublin had just won the All-Ireland as there was in England's soccer downfall.

    That's an entirely different thing.

    The English football team is a rival, a big team,so much like derby teams love to see the other team lose, so do we Irish love to see England beat.

    It's not racism just a bit of fun.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    It's a sculpture of a British soldier in Dublin, of course it was going to be vandalised. Did they not have CCTV pointed at it?

    Is the O'Connell statue in danger as he was a 'British' politician?

    Or is it more like the case of the vandalization of the Phil Lynott statue, that we simply have yobs in Dublin who like wrecking things for the craic?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    Is the O'Connell statue in danger as he was a 'British' politician?

    Or is it more like the case of the vandalization of the Phil Lynott statue, that we simply have yobs in Dublin who like wrecking things for the craic?

    O'Connell campaigned for the repeal of the Act of Union, so not a 'British' politician in any meaningful way.

    Likewise, Bobby Sands MP.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    Is the O'Connell statue in danger as he was a 'British' politician?

    Which British politician, enlighten us.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 Gunther1979


    fair play to the lads who did it
    god tier trolling


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Is the O'Connell statue in danger as he was a 'British' politician?

    Or is it more like the case of the vandalization of the Phil Lynott statue, that we simply have yobs in Dublin who like wrecking things for the craic?

    I doubt the lads that did it are massively knowledgeable about history. They can recognise a British soldier though. What is surprising about this is that people are surprised.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 Gunther1979


    I doubt the lads that did it are massively knowledgeable about history. They can recognise a British soldier though. What is surprising about this is that people are surprised.
    lads and lasses fyi


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    lads and lasses fyi

    Anything you want to tell us, Gunther ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 Gunther1979


    Anything you want to tell us, Gunther ?
    in the video i saw, all faces covered but there was clearly a womans voice, she threw the first paint bomb


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    klaaaz wrote: »
    Don't think they hate all things British, they probably hate the British military establishment for what they did here. What's wrong with the English soccer jersey types and their fellow German fans when they follow a bunch of multi-national soccer players kicking a ball around?

    I don’t know if you’re genuinely not understanding my point or deliberately ignoring it.

    I have no problem with English soccer or those that follow it. I do have a problem with those who follow it, who read British tabloids and watch British program who then suddenly become vehemently anti British whenever things like this thread’s topic or armistice day occur.

    It’s complete hypocrisy and very childish imo.

    Britain is no longer the enemy and the Irish men whom the statue represents deserve to and are entitled to be remembered.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Do you think those that vandalised the statue were English football supporters?

    Well not for certain of course but I was making an educated guess.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭zapitastas


    I don’t know if you’re genuinely not understanding my point or deliberately ignoring it.

    I have no problem with English soccer or those that follow it. I do have a problem with those who follow it, who read British tabloids and watch British program who then suddenly become vehemently anti British whenever things like this thread’s topic or armistice day occur.

    It’s complete hypocrisy and very childish imo.

    Britain is no longer the enemy and the Irish men whom the statue represents deserve to and are entitled to be remembered.

    They have been acting as a pretty hostile country towards Ireland for the last two years. Running around Europe trying to undermine the Irish position


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    I don’t know if you’re genuinely not understanding my point or deliberately ignoring it.

    I have no problem with English soccer or those that follow it. I do have a problem with those who follow it, who read British tabloids and watch British program who then suddenly become vehemently anti British whenever things like this thread’s topic or armistice day occur.

    It’s complete hypocrisy and very childish imo.

    Britain is no longer the enemy and the Irish men whom the statue represents deserve to and are entitled to be remembered.

    You still do not seem to understand Audrey. They are anti-British military like opposing occupation of Ireland by British forces. There is zero nothing wrong with them liking British sport, music, food etc, they are not racist if you're trying to imply that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,152 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Have any of you actually seen it in the flesh/metal?

    It's incredibly impressive and evocative of the horrors that WW1 brought to Europe. A must see for fans of Sebastian Faulks literature.


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