Ireland v New Zealand match thread

Steve · 21-11-2018 12:42AM

Lil Sally Anne Jnr. wrote: »

I'm not trolling. You guys are literally trolling yourselves and it's hilarious to watch so thanks for the laughs. I shouldn't need to say it, but obviously you guys are 90 year old humourless dullards with minds as sharp as tea cosies taking your very first steps on the internet: my original post was a reductio ad absurdum of Ewan MacKenna. Ok, so now I'm trolling, but I'll stop, because it's like stealing food from a baby. Goodnight and good luck.

Quit it.

Your attempts at trolling are so bad I can't even bring myself to card you for it.

However, continue at your peril.

mangobob · 21-11-2018 01:25AM

Lil Sally Anne Jnr. wrote: »

my original post was a reductio ad absurdum of Ewan MacKenna.

In that case you should have said "New Zee Land", for authenticity like.

Elvisjuice · 21-11-2018 01:46AM

Lil Sally Anne Jnr. wrote: »

I'm not trolling. : my original post was a reductio ad absurdum of Ewan MacKenna. .

jesus I post some crap but this beats it big time

Steve · 21-11-2018 01:51AM

Folks, stop feeding the troll please.

Squidgy Black · 21-11-2018 09:05AM

"Reductio ad absurdum". If throwing that into a conversation casually is deemed normal then jaysus Ewan's bang on the money saying rugby's only for posh people.

Wailin · 21-11-2018 09:09AM

Christ I can see this thread being dragged on for months. And we harp on about how unbearable the English are when they win anything. This is as bad.

Yes it was a great win and yes it was a piece of history. But lets be realistic. NZ were at the end of a long tough season and it showed. Uncharacteristic handling errors imo are a big indicator.

People talking about a NZ/Ireland final next year...seriously guys? We have a very tough Scotland team to manoeuvre first, how often have they beaten Ireland when big underdogs. Then a potential quarter final against SA? We'll just breeze through that right?

It's pretty embarrassing how obnoxious the Irish fans are becoming, youtube is crawling with idiots screaming we're the best team in the world and AB beaters etc. Where's the humility and dignity gone? We had a great year but lets not get carried away ffs!

irishbucsfan · 21-11-2018 09:11AM

Wailin wrote: »

Christ I can see this thread being dragged on for months. And we harp on about how unbearable the English are when they win anything. This is as bad.

Yes it was a great win and yes it was a piece of history. But lets be realistic. NZ were at the end of a long tough season and it showed. Uncharacteristic handling errors imo are a big indicator.

People talking about a NZ/Ireland final next year...seriously guys? We have a very tough Scotland team to manoeuvre first, how often have they beaten Ireland when big underdogs. Then a potential quarter final against SA? We'll just breeze through that right?

It's pretty embarrassing how obnoxious the Irish fans are becoming, youtube is crawling with idiots screaming we're the best team in the world and AB beaters etc. Where's the humility and dignity gone? We had a great year but lets not get carried away ffs!

We were the best team in the world this year. No need to be scared of that fact.

It's such a typically Irish thing to crave being the underdog and to be absolutely terrified of everyone realising when we're good at something.

FrancieBrady · 21-11-2018 09:22AM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

We were the best team in the world this year. No need to be scared of that fact.

It's such a typically Irish thing to crave being the underdog and to be absolutely terrified of everyone realising when we're good at something.

I'd agree with that to a degree. It is somewhat unusual to be watching an Irish team develop that is manifestly better then other teams at the moment.

We can still be beaten, have an off day or meet a team that is hungrier, but it is certainly new territory and I intend letting selected others know this!

lawred2 · 21-11-2018 09:27AM

Wailin wrote: »

Christ I can see this thread being dragged on for months. And we harp on about how unbearable the English are when they win anything. This is as bad.

Yes it was a great win and yes it was a piece of history. But lets be realistic. NZ were at the end of a long tough season and it showed. Uncharacteristic handling errors imo are a big indicator.

People talking about a NZ/Ireland final next year...seriously guys? We have a very tough Scotland team to manoeuvre first, how often have they beaten Ireland when big underdogs. Then a potential quarter final against SA? We'll just breeze through that right?

It's pretty embarrassing how obnoxious the Irish fans are becoming, youtube is crawling with idiots screaming we're the best team in the world and AB beaters etc. Where's the humility and dignity gone? We had a great year but lets not get carried away ffs!

YouTube is crawling with what?

Links please

To be honest I haven't seen any of this blowhard arrogance. And I'd be the first in line to call it out.

I've seen and heard Ireland being described as a top nation in world rugby but that's objectively true based on any metric.

Maybe you can give us some examples to illustrate your point

21-11-2018 09:51AM

I just realised, the next time we lose a game this place is going to be an absolute shít show.

The amount of people who are angry that other people are happy about a big result is startling. McKenna said it in the first 10 seconds of his interview on against the head. "What we've been subjected to since the weekend" - it's the language of someone who had a grudge to begin with and he's far from alone.

People are awful precious about themselves.

molloyjh · 21-11-2018 09:51AM

There is absolutely nothing wrong with anyone saying that we’re one of the best sides in the world now. That’s a fair and balanced analysis of where we stand. Are we the best in the world? I don’t think so. There’s still an element of consistency that we need to push on for. But we’re going exactly the right way for it. Are there areas we can work on and improve? Of course. But have we also done enough to suggest that, as things currently stand, we should be considered one of the front runners for the RWC? Yes. Can things change in the next year? Of course they can.

We also need to remember that we will likely be playing one of the other front runners in the QF should we make it that far. Losing that game, in that context, isn’t the failure some would like to paint it as. The margins are tiny and in a one off knock out game it doesn’t take a huge amount to come out the wrong side. If we end up playing NZ in the QF and lose to them by a point, are we really going to claim that Ireland are chokers? That to me would seem like complete nonsense.

Ireland are one of the best sides in the world. And we are the most successful side of 2018. These things are just facts. And based on those facts we currently sit, rightfully, as second best in the world. Of course that’s makes us contenders for the top prize. You wouldn’t see the NZ press or public playing down their position or their chances in a RWC. Why should we?

stephen_n · 21-11-2018 10:09AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'd agree with that to a degree. It is somewhat unusual to be watching an Irish team develop that is manifestly better then other teams at the moment.

We can still be beaten, have an off day or meet a team that is hungrier, but it is certainly new territory and I intend letting selected others know this!

It’s rugby though, any of the top 8 teams in the world can beat each other on a given day. NZ didn’t suddenly stop being the top team in the world because we beat them, or South Africa did. We are one of the top teams in the world now and should assume we can win every game, even though we won’t win every game.

Irish people are just bizarre with their overblown sense of the downtrodden. Accepting how good you are based on results and actual evidence is not being egotistical it’s practical. The problem with a lot of Irish people like E McK is that they actively look forward to defeats, so they can revel in the false sense of mediocrity they think it means to be Irish.

troyzer · 21-11-2018 10:10AM

Wailin wrote: »

Christ I can see this thread being dragged on for months. And we harp on about how unbearable the English are when they win anything. This is as bad.

Yes it was a great win and yes it was a piece of history. But lets be realistic. NZ were at the end of a long tough season and it showed. Uncharacteristic handling errors imo are a big indicator.

People talking about a NZ/Ireland final next year...seriously guys? We have a very tough Scotland team to manoeuvre first, how often have they beaten Ireland when big underdogs. Then a potential quarter final against SA? We'll just breeze through that right?

It's pretty embarrassing how obnoxious the Irish fans are becoming, youtube is crawling with idiots screaming we're the best team in the world and AB beaters etc. Where's the humility and dignity gone? We had a great year but lets not get carried away ffs!

It was actually very characteristic. The All Blacks have been funny on handling errors all year, start to finish going back to the France series.

Buer · 21-11-2018 10:28AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The amount of people who are angry that other people are happy about a big result is startling.

Ah, I see you're familiar with the Irish psyche.

21-11-2018 10:49AM

What does Brodie Retallick and puberty have in common?

Both result in dropped balls!

Heymans · 21-11-2018 11:29AM

Wailin wrote: »

Christ I can see this thread being dragged on for months. And we harp on about how unbearable the English are when they win anything. This is as bad.

Yes it was a great win and yes it was a piece of history. But lets be realistic. NZ were at the end of a long tough season and it showed. Uncharacteristic handling errors imo are a big indicator.

People talking about a NZ/Ireland final next year...seriously guys? We have a very tough Scotland team to manoeuvre first, how often have they beaten Ireland when big underdogs. Then a potential quarter final against SA? We'll just breeze through that right?

It's pretty embarrassing how obnoxious the Irish fans are becoming, youtube is crawling with idiots screaming we're the best team in the world and AB beaters etc. Where's the humility and dignity gone? We had a great year but lets not get carried away ffs!

The thing about it is that those calling us the best team in the world can't be taken seriously. They would be a laughing stock over in NZ/Aus because we haven't won anything. You neeed to be no. 1 for a few years running to show you can hold the favourites tag and keep it and play under the pressure of being no1 and having everyone gunning for you. We have never really had the favourites tag associated with us and for people to be roaring we're no.1 does us no favours. We are better as underdogs not favourites - play for consecutive seasons at no.1 then maybe we can call ourselves the best - but not yet.

Podge_irl · 21-11-2018 11:37AM

Wailin wrote: »

We have a very tough Scotland team to manoeuvre first, how often have they beaten Ireland when big underdogs.

Not very often at all?

molloyjh · 21-11-2018 11:45AM

Podge_irl wrote: »

Not very often at all?

Yeah, we're 5 from 6 under Joe. We've won 7 of the last 10 against them, with 1 of those losses being the RWC 2011 warm up game. Since the turn of the century we've played them 23 times and won 17 times. We play them at home this season too, and our home record against them is 9 from the last 10. Of all the teams to pick to be wary of, Scotland wouldn't be top of the list.

Sycamore Tree · 21-11-2018 11:51AM

Did this Whitelock clearout get mentioned before?

https://www.givemesport.com/1418025-sam-whitelock-lucky-to-avoid-punishment-as-ireland-see-off-new-zealand?autoplay=on&utm_source=outbrain-rss&utm_medium=outbrain-rss&utm_campaign=outbrain-rss&utm_term=007b19709ebe7943bd1d344ee23a065ad0

Healy lucky to escape injury from that.

troyzer · 21-11-2018 11:51AM

molloyjh wrote: »

Yeah, we're 5 from 6 under Joe. We've won 7 of the last 10 against them, with 1 of those losses being the RWC 2011 warm up game. Since the turn of the century we've played them 23 times and won 17 times. We play them at home this season too, and our home record against them is 9 from the last 10. Of all the teams to pick to be wary of, Scotland wouldn't be top of the list.

We're playing in Murrayfield this season.

molloyjh · 21-11-2018 11:52AM

troyzer wrote: »

We're playing in Murrayfield this season.

Shut up you with your facts.

Lusocu · 21-11-2018 12:26PM

Wailin wrote: »

Yes it was a great win and yes it was a piece of history. But lets be realistic. NZ were at the end of a long tough season and it showed. Uncharacteristic handling errors imo are a big indicator.

We beat them and they have no excuses. In Chicago arguments can be made that they were missing some players and we caught them on the hop. This was a fully legitimate win. There wasn't bad weather that's often a leveler in rugby matches like England and New Zealand the week before. Errors were forced from New Zealand through our pressure. For example Whitelock made a deliberate knockon by the try line and he should have been yellow carded. We had our own bad luck too with Kearney knocking on in the process of a try. Our defence was outstanding covering the breath of the pitch to our outside channels where historically we are vulnerable. Excellent decision making by Ringrose to shoot out of the line to cut off a passages of attacking play. He had a quiet game on the surface but in defence was exemplary. We're at the beginning of our season and that comes with its own set of disadvantages. We have to give credit where credit is due. We were missing one of our crucial players in Conor Murray. We're a better team now we have strenght In depth to replace injured Dan Leavy, O Brien, and Henshaw. In the world cup only can all teams aim to peak at that point.

troyzer · 21-11-2018 12:27PM

molloyjh wrote: »

Shut up you with your facts.

Soz.

21-11-2018 12:29PM

Sycamore Tree wrote: »

Did this Whitelock clearout get mentioned before?

https://www.givemesport.com/1418025-sam-whitelock-lucky-to-avoid-punishment-as-ireland-see-off-new-zealand?autoplay=on&utm_source=outbrain-rss&utm_medium=outbrain-rss&utm_campaign=outbrain-rss&utm_term=007b19709ebe7943bd1d344ee23a065ad0

Healy lucky to escape injury from that.

Happened right in front of Barnes and if I recall correctly he was happy with it and said as much and play on.

Looks bad but World Rugby have decided to tackle concussion and head injuries this Autumn by pretending THEY NEVER HAPPENED.

21-11-2018 01:17PM

Wailin wrote: »

Christ I can see this thread being dragged on for months. And we harp on about how unbearable the English are when they win anything. This is as bad.

Yes it was a great win and yes it was a piece of history. But lets be realistic. NZ were at the end of a long tough season and it showed. Uncharacteristic handling errors imo are a big indicator.

People talking about a NZ/Ireland final next year...seriously guys? We have a very tough Scotland team to manoeuvre first, how often have they beaten Ireland when big underdogs. Then a potential quarter final against SA? We'll just breeze through that right?

It's pretty embarrassing how obnoxious the Irish fans are becoming, youtube is crawling with idiots screaming we're the best team in the world and AB beaters etc. Where's the humility and dignity gone? We had a great year but lets not get carried away ffs!

Saying its the end of their season is meaningless. You could claim theyre more settled as they've played together all year. We only were hobbled together recently. It works both ways.

Zzippy · 21-11-2018 01:20PM

troyzer wrote: »

We're playing in Murrayfield this season.

molloyjh wrote: »

Shut up you with your facts.

Haha, love it. Molloy going to the trouble of researching all those stats and then forgetting to check we weren't actually playing at home this year...

stephen_n · 21-11-2018 01:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Happened right in front of Barnes and if I recall correctly he was happy with it and said as much and play on.

Looks bad but World Rugby have decided to tackle concussion and head injuries this Autumn by pretending THEY NEVER HAPPENED.

It’s contact with the head for definite, it seems bizarre that it’s not being citied. World Rugby really need to do something as there’s no consistency what so ever about what is and isn’t legal around contact with the head. I would also say that was malicious too, as Healy was off his feet and away from the ball.

errlloyd · 21-11-2018 01:31PM

stephen_n wrote: »

It’s contact with the head for definite, it seems bizarre that it’s not being citied. World Rugby really need to do something as there’s no consistency what so ever about what is and isn’t legal around contact with the head. I would also say that was malicious too, as Healy was off his feet and away from the ball.

Yeah Barnes immediately said it was okay.

stephen_n · 21-11-2018 01:36PM

errlloyd wrote: »

Yeah Barnes immediately said it was okay.

That’s one of those ones I’d really like to be able to ask him for his rational on the decision.

Lil Sally Anne Jnr. · 21-11-2018 02:19PM

Finally rewatched the game last night. Regarding the box kick at the end, what do people think would have been the ideal tactic at the time? When I watched it live I was convinced they were going to turn it over, kick for touch and score a try off of a lineout, but obviously they came a little too close for comfort to scoring a try from kicking back possession too. I'm wondering if the box kick wasn't the least bad of the two options though?

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