Diesel to contain 10% fame from 1/1/19

The J Stands for Jay · 17-11-2018 11:00PM

gctest50 wrote: »

Around the cap somewhere

You'd want to be sure it's the original cap/ door though - it may have been replaced

You need to ask your car dealer

It's a Mondeo without a cap. The sticker on the door doesn't have that on it. The manual just says EN590, which I believe is 7%.

tomslick · 17-11-2018 11:03PM

Just checked my 181 i40 handbook and it says no more than 7% biofuel. And damage to the engine or fuel system caused my incorrect fuel is not covered under warranty.

Harry Palmr · 17-11-2018 11:06PM

What about ancient indirect injection engines?

The J Stands for Jay · 17-11-2018 11:13PM

What will we all do with our unfuelable cars?

OldMrBrennan83 · 17-11-2018 11:15PM

McGaggs wrote: »

What will we all do with our unfuelable cars?

Park them outside Leinster House and use lots of petrol.

mikeecho · 17-11-2018 11:18PM

Well, I imagine that this B10 is already making it's way into forecourts as we speak.

Refinerys will have switched to the winter blend this week (lower cloud and gel point) so I doubt that they'll be changing the formula again in January.

(Winter blend November 16th to March 15th,
Summer Blend March 15th to November 16th )

spacetweek · 17-11-2018 11:23PM

This petrol and diesel nonsense needs to stop. We need to transition to electric only as soon as possible and forget about diesel/biodiesel/petrol/hybrid. They're all dead technologies. No fuel subsidies, no ethanol/FAME quotas etc. Just pure leccy.

Damien360 · 17-11-2018 11:23PM

182 Skoda superb III manual. 7% only allowed.

OldMrBrennan83 · 17-11-2018 11:24PM

spacetweek wrote: »

This petrol and diesel nonsense needs to stop. We need to transition to electric only as soon as possible and forget about diesel/biodiesel/petrol/hybrid. They're all dead technologies. No fuel subsidies, no ethanol/FAME quotas etc. Just pure leccy.

Come back to us once they're useful.

gctest50 · 17-11-2018 11:28PM

Damien360 wrote: »

182 Skoda superb III manual. 7% only allowed.

The consultation thing was in ~ January 2018, everyone knew it was coming

You shouldn't really bought 182 7% yoke ???

or get a Citroen, Peugeot, Renault or Dacia

Citroen : All models after 1 January 2000 are compatible
Peugeot : All models after 1 January 2000 are compatible
Renault : All Euro 5 + models
Dacia : All Euro 5 + models

Keep Calm and Vive la France

um7y1h83ge06nx · 17-11-2018 11:29PM

So neither my 181 Skoda Octavia or my wife's 171 Toyota Auris are compatible.

Not exactly rare diesel cars on Irish roads
This is surely a p*as take?

gctest50 · 17-11-2018 11:35PM

This was all published as part of the renewables plan years ago

They shouldn't have been bought if they weren't compatible

OldMrBrennan83 · 17-11-2018 11:36PM

gctest50 wrote: »

This was all published as part of the renewables plan years ago

They shouldn't have been bought if they weren't compatible

You mean they shouldn't have been sold.

mikeecho · 17-11-2018 11:38PM

If Circle K manage to keep their Plus fuel at the current B7 and only allow the regular diesel to change to B10, I'm sure they'd get a lot more customer's for the more expensive fuel.

Applegreen are due to announce their version of miles plus in 2019, .. it'll be interesting if they have the same or different levels of fame in the different diesels.

heroics · 17-11-2018 11:43PM

gctest50 wrote: »

This was all published as part of the renewables plan years ago

They shouldn't have been bought if they weren't compatible

Are you trolling? This is the first I heard of it. Hasn’t been advertised etc. I checked my 2013 car and my wife’s 2017 one. Both say 7% biofuel max. What is everyone supposed to do when the cars start having problems because of incompatible fuel?

drunkmonkey · 17-11-2018 11:48PM

They won't be swapping out all diesel for this at the flick of a switch, just don't use it unless your car is compatible.

gctest50 · 17-11-2018 11:50PM

heroics wrote: »

Are you trolling? This is the first I heard of it. Hasn’t been advertised etc.

....

It's around for years, all over the place ???????

You are on the Internet ( obviously ! )

Renewable Energy Directive ( 2009 /28/EC) Ireland is committed to produce from renewable sources at least 16% of all energy consumed by 2020

The J Stands for Jay · 17-11-2018 11:54PM

Patww79 wrote: »

Come back to us once they're useful.

You mean when they have fuel available to them that is suitable?

The J Stands for Jay · 17-11-2018 11:56PM

gctest50 wrote: »

It's around for years, all over the place ???????

You are on the Internet ( obviously ! )

Renewable Energy Directive ( 2009 /28/EC) Ireland is committed to produce from renewable sources at least 16% of all energy consumed by 2020

They didn't commit to bio fuels though (are they even renewable energy?).

koutoubia · 17-11-2018 11:56PM

142 A6 (C7) Diesel.
Sticker inside the fuel door "No Biodiesel"

Jesus H Christ!

mikeecho · 18-11-2018 12:10AM

heroics wrote: »

Are you trolling? This is the first I heard of it. Hasn’t been advertised etc. I checked my 2013 car and my wife’s 2017 one. Both say 7% biofuel max. What is everyone supposed to do when the cars start having problems because of incompatible fuel?

It was announced years ago. All started with maxol and their E5 99ron petrol, around 2010 I think

It was about the same time that bio/fame was being added to diesel.

It's not news that petrol/Diesel has a bio content.
Even as recently as 2016 it was increased from 5 to 8%

The spec sheets from the fuel companies have stated the max bio /ethanol content of their fuels for many years.

And now come 2019, it'll be 10%

heroics · 18-11-2018 12:14AM

mikeecho wrote: »

It was announced years ago. All started with maxol and their E5 99ron petrol, around 2010 I think

It was about the same time that bio/fame was being added to diesel.

It's not news that petrol/Diesel has a bio content.
Even as recently as 2016 it was increased from 5 to 8%

And now come 2019, it'll be 10%

Grand sure that’s great. And up until now it’s been below the manufacturers limits.

If you did a survey of 1000 people tomorrow how many do you reckon would know that? Also as per the link on the first page of this most of the diesel cars in Ireland don’t support B10.

If it was the case how are these cars allowed to be sold for the last 8 years if this was known. What happens to al those cars from 1st of jan when approved fuel is not available.

mikeecho · 18-11-2018 12:21AM

heroics wrote: »

Grand sure that’s great. And up until now it’s been below the manufacturers limits.

If you did a survey of 1000 people tomorrow how many do you reckon would know that? Also as per the link on the first page of this most of the diesel cars in Ireland don’t support B10.

If it was the case how are these cars allowed to be sold for the last 8 years if this was known. What happens to al those cars from 1st of jan when approved fuel is not available.

Don't shoot the messenger.. I only found out about the increase, yesterday when I accidentally saw that internal document.. that's why I posted here.

gctest50 · 18-11-2018 12:23AM

heroics wrote: »

...............

What happens to all those cars from 1st of jan when approved fuel is not available.

Approved fuel ?

Approved ? It has been known for almost 10 years

mikeecho wrote: »

It was announced years ago. All started with maxol and their E5 99ron petrol, around 2010 I think.......

Citroen : All models after 1 January 2000 are compatible
Peugeot : All models after 1 January 2000 are compatible
Renault : All Euro 5 + models
Dacia : All Euro 5 + models

mikeecho · 18-11-2018 12:25AM

People should start emailing , tweeting , Facebooking the fuel companies , car manufacturers and the AA.

Get some awareness out there, and perhaps some solid answers.

Here's a few links to get you guys started

customercare@valero.com

maeliosa.griffin@maxol.ie

https://www.circlek.ie/contact-us/

patrickosullivan@inverenergy.com

info@applegreen.ie

gctest50 · 18-11-2018 12:35AM

mikeecho wrote: »

People should start emailing , tweeting , Facebooking the fuel companies , car manufacturers and the AA.

Get some awareness out there, and perhaps some solid answers.

solid answers ?

This is the most solid answer anyone could genuinely give :

https://www.citroen.ie

https://www.renault.ie

https://www.peugeot.ie

https://www.dacia.ie

mikeecho · 18-11-2018 12:37AM

gctest50 wrote: »

solid answers ?

This is the most solid answer anyone could give with their hand on their heart :

https://www.citroen.ie

https://www.renault.ie

https://www.peugeot.ie

https://www.dacia.ie

Lets hear what the fuel suppliers have to say, and will they stand over their product.

OldMrBrennan83 · 18-11-2018 12:39AM

If the AA haven't been on this up to now then you'd really need to be asking questions of them and are they getting a daub.

mikeecho · 18-11-2018 12:40AM

Patww79 wrote: »

If the AA haven't been on this up to now then you'd really need to be asking questions of them and are they getting a daub.

--->>> https://touch.boards.ie/forum/576

heroics · 18-11-2018 12:47AM

gctest50 wrote: »

Approved fuel ?

Approved ? It has been known for almost 10 years

What’s your point? Most manufacturers only produce cars that run on b7 or less. Thats the approved fuel for most of the cars. Known by who. Certainly not the general public who buy these cars.

Diesel to contain 10% fame from 1/1/19

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