Livestock/General Farming photo thread TAKE #2 ::::RULES IN 1st POST::::

charolais0153 · 14-11-2018 08:39AM

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Savage calves. What's the one on the left by?

Doon just the job...side door job.

RobinBanks · 14-11-2018 11:28AM

charolais0153 wrote: »

Doon just the job...side door job.

Serious calf. I often thought of using him but calving difficulty put me off. Have you used him much? If so, is he hard calved?

charolais0153 · 14-11-2018 11:52AM

RobinBanks wrote: »

Serious calf. I often thought of using him but calving difficulty put me off. Have you used him much? If so, is he hard calved?

That was first one. Have 2 more next 2 weeks then 1 more in feb.
So far hes very hard calved:D.
Very big shoulders on him.

RobinBanks · 14-11-2018 11:55AM

charolais0153 wrote: »

That was first one. Have 2 more next 2 weeks then 1 more in feb.
So far hes very hard calved:D.
Very big shoulders on him.

I hope you strike gold with the next 3 aswell. Let us know how you get on.

What is the orange and white calf by? Nice calf aswell

charolais0153 · 14-11-2018 12:03PM

RobinBanks wrote: »

I hope you strike gold with the next 3 aswell. Let us know
how you get on.

What is the orange and white calf by? Nice calf aswell

Knockmyle loki. Out of a solid red cow. Bit of a throwback going on there

Never wrestle with pigs · 14-11-2018 03:14PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

Doon just the job...side door job.

Savage calves. Hopefully the rest of the just the job calves come ok. He has some length and width. Going to be a big lad.

Bigbird1 · 14-11-2018 05:41PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

Knockmyle loki. Out of a solid red cow. Bit of a throwback going on there

I hear good reports on Loki calves, How do you find him ?

charolais0153 · 14-11-2018 06:15PM

Bigbird1 wrote: »

I hear good reports on Loki calves, How do you find him ?

Only calf ive had or will have this year. With so few cows its hard to actually judge a bull.

That calf was easy calved but so were all the others apart from thr big lad.

Base price · 14-11-2018 07:08PM

I've been flat out busy and haven't got a chance to take any proper pics of the two Shorthorn heifers. At the minute they are in quarantine in a pen in the old slatted unit. I'm waiting for vaccines to arrive that I ordered from our Vet - Rispoval RS+Pi3 (intranasal) and IBR before moving them into a new pen in another shed. In fairness the man who sold them told us that they were not vaccinated.
Here are two pics of them nipping at meal that I took on the phone yesterday morning when the Sun was shining.

charolais0153 · 14-11-2018 07:14PM

Base price wrote: »

I've been flat out busy and haven't got a chance to take any proper pics of the two Shorthorn heifers. At the minute they are in quarantine in a pen in the old slatted unit. I'm waiting for vaccines to arrive that I ordered from our Vet - Rispoval RS+Pi3 (intranasal) and IBR before moving them into a new pen in another shed. In fairness the man who sold them told us that they were not vaccinated.
Here are two pics of them nipping at meal that I took on the phone yesterday morning when the Sun was shining.

The red heifer looks better there than she did in first picture. 2 fine heifers by all accounts

Albert Johnson · 14-11-2018 07:19PM

ganmo wrote: »

could ya picture this at a mart in ireland?
imagine the laugh lads would have!!

For the purpose of moving cattle down an alley as a group it's not a bad idea. It's capable of doing the work of a person with the added bonus of being somewhat expendable regarding an accident.

Base price · 14-11-2018 08:04PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

The red heifer looks better there than she did in first picture. 2 fine heifers by all accounts

I'm no Shorthorn expert and don't claim to be but when viewing the lines of cattle in Roscommon mart there was a marked difference in the type of cattle on show.

IMO there seems to be two types - the traditional square deep bodied shorter type like the roan one and tight gutted longer types like the red heifer.

Anyway hopefully I've covered both basis and they remain healthy

golodge · 15-11-2018 02:11PM

A fair size bull calf born this night. Out of Limox heifer, sired by limousine AI bull (Ryde Uranosx Nenuphar). Had to assist a bit, but nothing major. It'll be very interesting to see him grow. He is 79-80% Limousine... Heifer calved at 283days. Have another heifer, 7/8Limousine, incalf by the same bull and on 285th day. Still hoping for a heifer!

patsy_mccabe · 15-11-2018 07:29PM

Average just under €2,800. Anyone ever buy at these sales and if so how did the heifers do afterwards?

charolais0153 · 15-11-2018 07:42PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Average just under €2,800. Anyone ever buy at these sales and if so how did the heifers do afterwards?

Legwax did i think

Albert Johnson · 15-11-2018 08:05PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Average just under €2,800. Anyone ever buy at these sales and if so how did the heifers do afterwards?

I've never bought at O'Connors sale but have bought out of other annual sales in Elphin. The above sale has become a circus and the hype builds every year. There's a few lads around me that would buy from O'Connor every year and I don't consider there stock to be that extra special compared to others.
Martin O'Connor has the name of selling the cream of the springer crop locally and in fairness he puts a lot of time and investment into the above. I think the springer job is done to death in the west, there's a bundle of incalf heifers in every mart most weeks from now till Xmas. The market for these animals has been difficult the last few years and coupled with recent talk of another exodus out of sucklers could see the market becoming even stickier.
I can't see the above heifers returning much of a margin but each to there own, I have to admire Martin he has identified his market and panders to them.

Hard Knocks · 15-11-2018 09:08PM

golodge wrote: »

A fair size bull calf born this night. Out of Limox heifer, sired by limousine AI bull (Ryde Uranosx Nenuphar). Had to assist a bit, but nothing major. It'll be very interesting to see him grow. He is 79-80% Limousine... Heifer calved at 283days. Have another heifer, 7/8Limousine, incalf by the same bull and on 285th day. Still hoping for a heifer!

Lovely stock, 283 & 285 gestation is impressive

Hard Knocks · 15-11-2018 09:11PM

Albert Johnson wrote: »

I've never bought at O'Connors sale but have bought out of other annual sales in Elphin. The above sale has become a circus and the hype builds every year. There's a few lads around me that would buy from O'Connor every year and I don't consider there stock to be that extra special compared to others.
Martin O'Connor has the name of selling the cream of the springer crop locally and in fairness he puts a lot of time and investment into the above. I think the springer job is done to death in the west, there's a bundle of incalf heifers in every mart most weeks from now till Xmas. The market for these animals has been difficult the last few years and coupled with recent talk of another exodus out of sucklers could see the market becoming even stickier.
I can't see the above heifers returning much of a margin but each to there own, I have to admire Martin he has identified his market and panders to them.

Advertising by the Mart is key too, we tried the springer heifers 15 years ago, did it for 3 years with no joy

Albert Johnson · 15-11-2018 09:35PM

Yes advertising of all kinds is very important, especially in the early years before you gain a reputation and repeat custom. Alas I still think the market has become over subscribed in recent years and no amount of marketing is going to entice clients that aren't there.
I would know one lad in particular who's main farming income was selling incalf heifers. He used to handle about 150 annually and was well regarded within the business. The money tied up between buying dear slips of heifers and getting them through to sale was immense, it worked for the first few years but he's all but gone out of the game now. He was one of a few at the start but now every man and his dog has a bundle of springers in the back end.
Incalf heifers are different to dry stock in that the risk element is far higher, there a far more delicate animal. At least with a dry beast if you sell them as is that's usually the end of the story, with the springers if the cow lost the calf for any reason a lot of lads would expect some money back and blacken you if they didn't get it. If the heifer didn't calve to her time or had an unknown fault that only became known after calving more compensation was expected.
My own biggest fear with a bundle like O'Connors would be Tb, imagine being locked up and trying to calve and mind teams like the above and you intending to have flogged them springing.
The springer trade is a niche market and tbh for the outlay I don't see much of a return in most cases. I do know I wouldn't be going in competition with those already at it in a hurry anyway.

golodge · 15-11-2018 09:38PM

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Lovely stock, 283 & 285 gestation is impressive

Thank you. The red is still waiting, but should calve very soon.
It's short compared to our last Limousine stock bull. Average gestation this year was 288days, many were 290+, the shortest- 283days, the longest was 299days. You get quite nervous when a heifer is getting close to 290days.

Lady Haywire · 16-11-2018 02:02PM

The culard makes the heifer look small :pac:

CloughCasey1 · 16-11-2018 02:14PM

Lady Haywire wrote: »

The culard makes the heifer look small :pac:

Super stock.

Lady Haywire · 16-11-2018 02:17PM

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Super stock.

Thank you! I'm still wondering if it's the right thing to do with the bull as he's so young, haven't weaned him yet but going to take him away form the cow tomorrow. Not got great front legs either so starting to doubt him now. But I've had fun training them at least

Muckit · 16-11-2018 02:19PM

Super stock. What way have you them curry combed??!!

Lady Haywire · 16-11-2018 02:22PM

Muckit wrote: »

Super stock. What way have you them curry combed??!!

Thanks! Ha! Leitrim style :pac: First time I've tied him up today so was just brushing him to get him settled. Then just nabbed her in off the slats to see how she'd look up against him.

mallethead2 · 16-11-2018 02:50PM

I have bought from Martin for about ten years at this stage couldn't complain about anything I bought from him. I still have most of them had to sell 3 out of about 20 odd a few to go next year but that's age more than anything also had plenty of AI heifer calves which I kept , didn't get there this year looking at some of the prices I was better of at home .
The halter trained heifers you're waiting a bit longer to get your money back and if you had a good heifer he's not shy about buying , to be fair he is selling top quality stock.
He's also finding it harder to get top quality heifers because of the BDGP and his reputation for getting on well with them when selling.

charolais0153 · 16-11-2018 03:01PM

Lady Haywire wrote: »

Thank you! I'm still wondering if it's the right thing to do with the bull as he's so young, haven't weaned him yet but going to take him away form the cow tomorrow. Not got great front legs either so starting to doubt him now. But I've had fun training them at least

Front legs is first thing i look at in calves. Only 3 ecolo calves ive seen and all dont have great legs at all.. He'll look well when hes clipped.

2 pb bull calfs here and if things go well i might try and halter them.

Lady Haywire · 16-11-2018 03:07PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

Front legs is first thing i look at in calves. Only 3 ecolo calves ive seen and all dont have great legs at all.. He'll look well when hes clipped.

2 pb bull calfs here and if things go well i might try and halter them.

I've not seen many of them but you're prob right with their legs, though the heifer last year had a great front, only issue was the off hind limp, though it came right eventually.
Getting them washed & clipped next week, then as long as they behave i'll have happy

Give them a shot, starting them early makes it much easier on you & the calf.

charolais0153 · 16-11-2018 05:10PM

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Savage calves. Hopefully the rest of the just the job calves come ok. He has some length and width. Going to be a big lad.

Never wrestle with pigs · 16-11-2018 05:40PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

Another one calve ? ðŸ˜¬

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