Nurburgring question

mgbgt1978 · 01-11-2018 03:03PM

Jesus wept. It's exactly the opposite. I was simply pointing out the precise Terminology used by Insurers and others to describe the 'ring. None of them use the Term 'Race Track', as it is not one.

Car Hire Companies specifically forbid the use of their Cars on any 'unrestricted Toll Road' to stop you from using their Cars on the 'ring. Most of the German Hire Companies use GPS Trackers in their Cars to specifically watch out for this.

It's possibly the only unrestricted toll road in Europe, hence the wording.

edit; after reading post #2 in this Thread I'd say you're well out of your depth here....Every single sentence was completely untrue.

whippet · 01-11-2018 03:37PM

It’s a Uk site .. but have a quick read .. might put to bed some questions and myths

http://nurburgring.org.uk/insurance.php

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 01-11-2018 06:15PM

Something I've been looking at doing

But I'm going the way of hiring one of their cars for the track and something with poke.

I wouldn't find 180bhp particularly exciting, I'm actually amazed cars these days with engines around 2.0 are still only coming with 180.

But don't get me wrong, a Octavia/supeeb combi RS is a nice machine

punisher5112 · 01-11-2018 06:18PM

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Something I've been looking at doing

But I'm going the way of hiring one of their cars for the track and something with poke.

I wouldn't find 180bhp particularly exciting, I'm actually amazed cars these days with engines around 2.0 are still only coming with 180.

But don't get me wrong, a Octavia/supeeb combi RS is a nice machine

Seat put out much more powerful engines.

I guess it's up to vw what they can sell.

CiniO · 01-11-2018 10:03PM

coylemj wrote: »

The difference is that each of the Nurburgring tracks is a closed circuit. To drive on it, you leave the public highway and pay a 'toll' to drive around a loop.

Even though you are not racing, it would count as a 'trial' (because you cannot claim that you were driving from A to and your insurance would deny cover.

I still don't get your arguments at all?

What if you joined M25 around London and kept driving around for 24h?
Would that count as "trial" as well just because you were not driving from A to B ?

Nonsense IMO.

CiniO · 01-11-2018 10:05PM

coylemj wrote: »

So I can go to Germany, rent a Hertz car and p1ss around the Nurburgring to my heart's content?

And be fully covered by the rental insurance for third party and my excess policy for damage to the car?

I'm sure you'd be still covered for third party in Hertz rental car.

However if going there is against rental conditions, then you could forget about any other type of cover.

sunnysoutheast · 01-11-2018 10:18PM

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Something I've been looking at doing

But I'm going the way of hiring one of their cars for the track and something with poke.

I wouldn't find 180bhp particularly exciting, I'm actually amazed cars these days with engines around 2.0 are still only coming with 180.

But don't get me wrong, a Octavia/supeeb combi RS is a nice machine

I'm looking at doing the same late summer next year. Bucket list and all that.

I've gone off the idea of taking my own car round. Seems like the insurance situation rules it out.

From a couple of people I've talked to who've done the car hire thing they've gone round in Suzuki Swifts and moved up to better cars later. Was pricey too.

blackwhite · 02-11-2018 12:24AM

CiniO wrote: »

I'm sure you'd be still covered for third party in Hertz rental car.

However if going there is against rental conditions, then you could forget about any other type of cover.

Hertz rental T&Cs expressly forbids their cars being taken around the ring.
Whilst 3rd party technically is in place (in so far as keeps the car road legal), the signed rental agreement gives Hertz and/or their insurers the right to pursue the driver for any and all costs incurred for accidents at Nurburgring. And they are in the habit of doing so.

So net effect is basically that you are not insured, and will have additional penalty charges for breach of rental terms as well.

TrailerBob · 02-11-2018 10:19AM

sunnysoutheast wrote: »

I'm looking at doing the same late summer next year. Bucket list and all that.

I've gone off the idea of taking my own car round. Seems like the insurance situation rules it out.

From a couple of people I've talked to who've done the car hire thing they've gone round in Suzuki Swifts and moved up to better cars later. Was pricey too.

I've been a couple of times and done it both ways. For me, I was happy to bring my own yoke around in full knowledge that if anything happens it's on me.. yes it's a risk, but that's part of the attraction in a way.

I have also rented a swift from Rent4Ring, and it wasn't that expensive for what you get. €340 for the car and 4 laps, that included fuel, laps and insurance. There's a hefty excess but again, I could live with it.

As for power.. I've said it before but it needs to be said again... If you have never been to the nurburgring before, then power is not the be all and end all. I had much more fun in the swift simply because I could drive it close to the limit and not get into any real bother. The reality is that the experience of lapping the ring is the real draw... Whether you do it in 11 minutes or 10, it doesn't really matter. Drive within your ability and it's the most fun you can have on 4 wheels.

mdebets · 02-11-2018 12:23PM

You also need to remember that if you are driving over 130km/h in Germany, you are automatically partially liable in case of an accident, even if it is 100% the other driver's fault.
The Nurburgring also can request a downpayment on any damage you have caused to the track in cash on the spot.

V8 Interceptor · 02-11-2018 07:59PM

Do they have a "you're taking the piss" attitude if some dude rocks up with a 60hp Yaris looking to do a lap?

TrailerBob · 02-11-2018 08:12PM

Nope... anything goes once it's road legal. I did 6 laps in a landcruiser.. albeit as fast as I could physically make the thing go without breaking it.

General rule is stay to the right and indicate right to show you are a slower vehicle for the faster cars.

mgbgt1978 · 02-11-2018 08:29PM

As Bob says pretty much anything goes. I have seen Coaches, Motor homes, ancient Vespa scooters...even a couple of 1930's Classic Cars.
A lot of the locals turn up in fairly basic Hatchbacks, but with quite grippy Rubber (usually sourced from guys doing a particular Race Series and are finished with them....Yokohama AO48's, etc).

About a 3rd of the Cars on the Road would be fairly normal everyday stuff driven by people who just want to experience a drive around the Nurburgring.

Blazer · 03-11-2018 04:41AM

whippet wrote: »

Apart from the risk of making a mistake on the track to have to consider factors like oil leaks - about 1 minute in to my first lap I spotted someone in the distance behind the armco waving their hands furiously and fortunately I slowed down in time as a UK reg Focus RS had just deposited every drop of it's fluid on the tarmac just before a bend. The focus was a little further a head in a cloud of smoke but the track was covered. It took a couple of miles to even get the confidence that the tired had any grip after that.

The track was then closed for about 90 mins while it was cleaned up. 90 mins of more coffee and car porn in the car park

ouch..that cost him quite a bit...around €1900

https://drivetribe.com/p/the-nurburgring-crash-on-track-UFTZw-m5SoWDGWLEXzl8ZQ?iid=ba-96B8DSDSWFKKS1ev5VA

whippet · 03-11-2018 09:29AM

Blazer wrote: »

ouch..that cost him quite a bit...around €1900

https://drivetribe.com/p/the-nurburgring-crash-on-track-UFTZw-m5SoWDGWLEXzl8ZQ?iid=ba-96B8DSDSWFKKS1ev5VA

That would be peanuts as opposed to the cost of getting it back to the Uk and a new engine !

sunnysoutheast · 03-11-2018 09:36AM

blackwhite wrote: »

Hertz rental T&Cs expressly forbids their cars being taken around the ring.
Whilst 3rd party technically is in place (in so far as keeps the car road legal), the signed rental agreement gives Hertz and/or their insurers the right to pursue the driver for any and all costs incurred for accidents at Nurburgring. And they are in the habit of doing so.

So net effect is basically that you are not insured, and will have additional penalty charges for breach of rental terms as well.

Plus you'll be life banned from the hire company I think.

Micky 32 · 03-11-2018 05:05PM

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Something I've been looking at doing

But I'm going the way of hiring one of their cars for the track and something with poke.

I wouldn't find 180bhp particularly exciting, I'm actually amazed cars these days with engines around 2.0 are still only coming with 180.

But don't get me wrong, a Octavia/supeeb combi RS is a nice machine

They might be only 180bhp because someone might only want that bhp. My VW 2.0 diesel with a slight tweek is nudging 300bhp.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 03-11-2018 07:43PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

They might be only 180bhp because someone might only want that bhp. My VW 2.0 diesel with a slight tweek is nudging 300bhp.

I'm talking without a slight tweak, coming out of the factory standard they should be throwing better bhp figures considering what they can currently do with smaller engines

04-11-2018 01:10AM

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

I'm talking without a slight tweak, coming out of the factory standard they should be throwing better bhp figures considering what they can currently do with smaller engines

But most people don’t want higher bhp and if they do they can buy the more powerful version. Most are far more concerned with fuel economy than bhp and the 180 is a good compromise between performance and economy for most people.

StereoSound · 04-11-2018 12:46PM

I'm planning to map my Octavia RS in the new year. It's 184 bhp standard from the factory but I've been told a map will bring that up to 200 bhp or close to it. Have to decide who to get the map done with. I don't want to effect the fuel economy too much on it though. It's already doing great so far. I don't want to blow the warranty either so I have to do some research before anyone touches it.

antodeco · 04-11-2018 01:29PM

Always remember, it's not just about BHP. You need to look at weight, as a 150BHP in a Corsa is going to be alot more fun than a 200BHP Passat! Plus, look at Torque, rev limits, etc if you want to understand a car properly!

A skilled driver in a 1.0 Yaris is going to be a lot more enjoyable than a "normal" driver in a 911!

Del2005 · 05-11-2018 12:19AM

antodeco wrote: »

A skilled driver in a 1.0 Yaris is going to be a lot more enjoyable than a "normal" driver in a 911!

Even an unskilled driver will have more fun in the Yaris then the 911. With the Yaris you can drive to the limit, and then a little bit extra for fun, with the 911 it's too much for most to get near the limit, you won't be able to use the extra power.

tossy · 05-11-2018 01:46AM

Del2005 wrote: »

Even an unskilled driver will have more fun in the Yaris then the 911. With the Yaris you can drive to the limit, and then a little bit extra for fun, with the 911 it's too much for most to get near the limit, you won't be able to use the extra power.

05-11-2018 09:44AM

Del2005 wrote: »

Even an unskilled driver will have more fun in the Yaris then the 911. With the Yaris you can drive to the limit, and then a little bit extra for fun, with the 911 it's too much for most to get near the limit, you won't be able to use the extra power.

Nobody is going to have more fun in a Yaris than a 911.

Wildly Boaring · 05-11-2018 10:11AM

StereoSound wrote: »

I'm planning to map my Octavia RS in the new year. It's 184 bhp standard from the factory but I've been told a map will bring that up to 200 bhp or close to it. Have to decide who to get the map done with. I don't want to effect the fuel economy too much on it though. It's already doing great so far. I don't want to blow the warranty either so I have to do some research before anyone touches it.

Joe Power
https://m.facebook.com/TDRIreland/

Dunno if any remap wont void a warranty

V8 Interceptor · 05-11-2018 10:45AM

Anyone watch Guy Martin set the fastest Van lap on the Ring on CH4 last night? He succeeded but his Transit was on fire half way through the lap

bladespin · 05-11-2018 12:03PM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Anyone watch Guy Martin set the fastest Van lap on the Ring on CH4 last night? He succeeded but his Transit was on fire half way through the lap

Kept going though!:cool:

ShadowHearth · 10-11-2018 04:18PM

zilog_jones wrote: »

The full Nordschleife is available in several racing sims, it would probably help a lot getting some experience with it virtually first.

A bit late to this, but when I played Forza 7 last night I and got to race in Full lap of it. Never did a proper lap in any games before.
After doing it I can say only this: holy crap, it's a very stressful and fast track in video game, I cant even imagine how stressful it would be in real life with **** loads of porches and m3 all over track.
Its still on my bucket list. Someday I will go out there and do it, but I will be training for months on Forza in similar power car to mines to at least learn track.

Turbohymac · 10-11-2018 04:32PM

Definitely something for the bucket list but not in a 181 vrs. Would be worth it to rent a Porsche then no worries if sabina in the transit takes me out at the first bend

Blazer · 11-11-2018 05:01AM

Watch this guy driving a VW Up for christ's sake and overtaking a Ferrari..lol
Very instructional video and he knows the track inside out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXJzt4bRWR8

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