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Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

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  • #7142
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,028 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    It says what we kinda knew before, that 20% of 40-50% of the electorate have a problem with travellers.

    That vote by the way would have little to no impact at a general election.

    And by the looks of it, Casey is not prepared to campaign on those 'sentiments' as he doesn't believe it was those comments that got him the 20%

    Odd that you didn't believe him before the vote??


  • #7143
    jace_da_face
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 485 ✭✭jace_da_face


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Rathskeale must be high on racists.

    Yeah, strange that. Why would there be such a clustering of racists in one town? :confused:


  • #7144
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,536 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Odd that you didn't believe him before the vote??

    You guys are on the hunt for another rep if you think that Casey is now gonna lead the charge on travellers. He is divorcing himself from the responsibility already.


  • #7145
    Bunny Colvin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭Bunny Colvin


    Congratulations to Peter Casey and well done to everyone who contributed to his vote. I think the message has been delivered.


  • #7146
    Graniteville
    Closed Accounts Posts: 290 ✭✭Graniteville


    jace_da_face wrote: »
    A big thing to take away from these results is not only how well Casey did overall, but the locations where he did particularly well. 46% support in Rathkeale. That says something. The closer the proximity of travellers and settled folk, the greater the discourse.

    Considering close on 50% of Rathkeale are travellers, that could suggest almost every non traveller voted for Casey.


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  • #7147
    jace_da_face
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 485 ✭✭jace_da_face


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Does it not show there is no discourse? The travelling community clearly didn't vote in Rathkeale.

    Clearly they didn't. I don't understand your point. The point I'm making is that the perhaps the proximity to travellers is directly proportional to support for Casey.


  • #7148
    jace_da_face
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 485 ✭✭jace_da_face


    Graniteville wrote: »
    Considering close on 50% of Rathkeale are travellers, that could suggest almost every non traveller voted for Casey.

    Exactly


  • #7149
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,028 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    You guys are on the hunt for another rep if you think that Casey is now gonna lead the charge on travellers. He is divorcing himself from the responsibility already.

    Are you in the queue to see the Boards.ie doctor Francie? Pain bad??


  • #7150
    Calhoun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    I am loving how pissed off the Casey vote is making people. Either way it's a win-win, if people actually start engagin in conversation maybe we can move this along to a place that all are happy.

    On the other hand and more realistic I have already seen people trying to shut down the Casey voters and just write it off as bigotry. The net result being proving the point for allot of people for Casey and growing that base.


  • #7151
    JeffKenna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,738 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Azatadine wrote: »
    Is there any risk that Casey may get targeted for robbery by that crowd of travellers now?

    He's rich enough to have security so should be OK... If it were a Councillor or TD they'd be in serious trouble.


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  • #7152
    contrary_devil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 205 ✭✭contrary_devil


    Is it not the travellers own fault that they are oppressed by so many of the general population?
    They seek respect and trust but these things have to be earned. The same goes for people in the general population who commit acts against the law. There are some in the travelling community similar to the general population who expect the state to provide all for them while contributing nothing. Tarring all travellers with the same brush is akin to tarring all in a particular town or housing estate because of a few bad apples.
    Traveller organisations/spokespeople have to step up to the plate and condemn the actions of those in their community who give them all the bad name. Do we in the general population respect and trust those that steal/sell drugs/claim social welfare never having contributed in any way/drive with no insurance?
    I think Peter Casey struck a chord with many people, certainly did with me and brought the issue front and centre. I don't think he was ever going to win the election before or since his comments but his rise from 2% to his present showing of 20ish % shows that many people think there are issues that need to be discussed and sorted out. The using the racist/bigoted card in relation to such a sizeable amount of the electorate is totally wrong, I'm sure that the vast majority would be normal decent people who are quite fed up with the situation as is.


  • #7153
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Whatever about Casey, I have a genuine fear for the safety of settled people in Rathkeale, especially around Christmas. The poll results there won't go down well.


  • #7154
    gaius c
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭gaius c


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    It says what we kinda knew before, that 20% of 40-50% of the electorate have a problem with travellers.

    That vote by the way would have little to no impact at a general election.

    And by the looks of it, Casey is not prepared to campaign on those 'sentiments' as he doesn't believe it was those comments that got him the 20%

    The result backs up the opinion polls so like it as not, it is reflective of the wider electorate.


  • #7155
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,536 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Are you in the queue to see the Boards.ie doctor Francie? Pain bad??

    No pain at all Tayto.
    I said last night after the exit poll, that this is one happy democrat. Days ago I was saying 20% was a failure of a result on a single issue ticket.

    20% of 40-50% is even worse in my view. I would posit the theory it is abject failure of a single issue.

    I am sure the residents of Rathkeale will be waiting with bated breath for solutions from the candidate they voted for.

    Oh wait, he is not accepting that his vote was on the back of traveller comments.


  • #7156
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    It says what we kinda knew before, that 20% of 40-50% of the electorate have a problem with travellers.

    That vote by the way would have little to no impact at a general election.

    And by the looks of it, Casey is not prepared to campaign on those 'sentiments' as he doesn't believe it was those comments that got him the 20%

    You are completely deluded Francie.

    A vote of over 20% would have no impact on a general election? And you claimed you studied civics in school?

    Have you had that coffee yet? Maybe have another just to be sure.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #7157
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Go on the Casey! I love him in this interview with Miriam


  • #7158
    happyoutscan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,678 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    Miriam is a mess.


  • #7159
    pumpkin4life
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭pumpkin4life


    https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/958695853060972544?lang=en


  • #7160
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,100 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    normanoffside wrote: »
    John Connors might leave the country over this
    https://twitter.com/johnconnors1990/status/1056028432004452352

    Please let that be true


  • #7161
    Azatadine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,621 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    One thing for sure, irrespective of anything else, I'd love to go for a few pints with Casey. I like him.


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  • #7162
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,028 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    No pain at all Tayto.
    I said last night after the exit poll, that this is one happy democrat. Days ago I was saying 20% was a failure of a result on a single issue ticket.

    20% of 40-50% is even worse in my view. I would posit the theory it is abject failure of a single issue.

    I am sure the residents of Rathkeale will be waiting with bated breath for solutions from the candidate they voted for.

    Oh wait, he is not accepting that his vote was on the back of traveller comments.

    Poor old Francie!!! Still in shock.


  • #7163
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,623 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I first posted on this thread at lunchtime last Wednesday week and on and off since when I got time.

    I was looking forward to a bit of chat today but it seems it's all a bit raw.

    Understandable I suppose and I'm not being critical of either side or those in the middle.

    Some good discussion on TV and radio at the moment.

    I think I'll give it a couple of days and let the dust settle.


  • #7164
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,168 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Francie might have to delete his boards account over this shock haha


  • #7165
    gaius c
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭gaius c


    contrary_devil wrote: »
    Is it not the travellers own fault that they are oppressed by so many of the general population?
    They seek respect and trust but these things have to be earned. The same goes for people in the general population who commit acts against the law. There are some in the travelling community similar to the general population who expect the state to provide all for them while contributing nothing. Tarring all travellers with the same brush is akin to tarring all in a particular town or housing estate because of a few bad apples.
    Traveller organisations/spokespeople have to step up to the plate and condemn the actions of those in their community who give them all the bad name. Do we in the general population respect and trust those that steal/sell drugs/claim social welfare never having contributed in any way/drive with no insurance?
    I think Peter Casey struck a chord with many people, certainly did with me and brought the issue front and centre. I don't think he was ever going to win the election before or since his comments but his rise from 2% to his present showing of 20ish % shows that many people think there are issues that need to be discussed and sorted out. The using the racist/bigoted card in relation to such a sizeable amount of the electorate is totally wrong, I'm sure that the vast majority would be normal decent people who are quite fed up with the situation as is.

    They need better representation and are very poorly served by the likes of Pavee Point shutting down any and all discussion.

    However, if those representatives have nobody worth talking to on the other side of the table, it's a futile exercise and relations will not improve and may get worse.


  • #7166
    pumpkin4life
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭pumpkin4life


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    Go on the Casey! I love him in this interview with Miriam

    He's getting more and more confident with these kind of interviews.


  • #7167
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,536 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    You are completely deluded Francie.

    A vote of over 20% would have no impact on a general election? And you claimed you studied civics in school?

    Have you had that coffee yet? Maybe have another just to be sure.

    How would it have an impact? You have to have somebody running on that ticket in many many constituencies.

    Given Casey is now backing away from taking responsibility for his comments it doesn't look good.

    Let's see if the FF voters who swung to Casey can influence party policy maybe, then it might have an impact.


  • #7168
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,168 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Poor old Francie!!! Still in shock.

    Francie seems to be completely taken aback by Casey’s success EVEN after Francies CONSTANT campaign on this site to try to persuade ppl not to vote for Casey.

    Must be some shock for him in fairness


  • #7169
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,028 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Francie seems to be completely taken aback by Casey’s success EVEN after Francies CONSTANT campaign on this site to try to persuade ppl not to vote for Casey.

    Must be some shock for him in fairness

    Ah let's go easy on him now. He's bound to be jaded in fairness.
    Some result though.


  • #7170
    digzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭digzy


    It's strange how so many people focus, not on Casey's remarks but on the media/ traveller reps interpretation of those remarks.

    It's simplistic to suggest Casey's vote is a shower of culchie rednecks who're anti traveller and anti welfare recipients.

    A lot of us including me knew that mdh would romp home. We sent a msg back to the powers that be, that we don't agree with the state supporting multi generational spongers being allowed to choose that particular lifestyle.
    We don't support the nonsense in thurles re the traveller housing.

    I think it might be interesting to look at the criminal records of some of those to be housed there.

    Knew Casey wouldn't get in. He'd have been the worst president of the candidates. Take note ff and fg.


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  • #7171
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,536 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Francie seems to be completely taken aback by Casey’s success EVEN after Francies CONSTANT campaign on this site to try to persuade ppl not to vote for Casey.

    Must be some shock for him in fairness


    Francie knew that around 20% of the population felt this way. And said it many times, that was the ceiling for this intolerant sentiment.

    Again, here is what happened a single issue candidate (who denies the issue now btw) got 20% of a 40-50% turnout.

    Let's not lose our sense of perspective here.


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