Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

McMurphy · 26-10-2018 09:19AM

gmisk wrote: »

Let's be honest here in this situation he/she is most likely voting for Casey as a protest as he has the best chance against Higgins.
I doubt Duffy would even bother voting for himself lol

Yeah - thats tactical voting.

gmisk wrote: »

Did you watch the debates? He was a shambling mess, shouting over other people, he struggled to string a coherent sentence together while looking at bits of paper.
People can be successful in business without being in anyway diplomatic or measured.... Just look at the current US president lol, or Elon musk

By shouting down of course you mean refused to be shouted down, especially by the RTE pundit, and they all read of bits of paper, that's what is known as having your notes prepared.

Even Higgins had them.

Gravelly · 26-10-2018 09:22AM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Then why ARE they exempt from so many laws ?

I find it very amusing how the traveller reps keep trying to persuade us that granting them ethnic status makes no difference whatsoever, yet is somehow critically important.

Also, the submission to the Dept. of Education by Pavee Point on including traveller "culture" in the school curriculum states clearly that the granting of ethnic status is the reason it should be included. Traveller reps, as usual, telling barefaced lies.

Idbatterim · 26-10-2018 09:28AM

The hobbit and his ilk are what have this country in the state it’s in! Thank god this will be his last term IF he wins! The media have told people to vote mdh, I’m fully expecting the sheeple go do as told ... Casey #1

weldoninhio · 26-10-2018 09:33AM

gmisk wrote: »

Did you watch the debates? He was a shambling mess, shouting over other people, he struggled to string a coherent sentence together while looking at bits of paper.
People can be successful in business without being in anyway diplomatic or measured.... Just look at the current US president lol, or Elon musk

Shouting over other people?? What debates did you watch?? He made his statements then stood there grinning as the other 4/5 (when Higgins deined to grace the public with his presence) feigned indignance.

SafeSurfer · 26-10-2018 09:34AM

Technocentral wrote: »

Also after the recent referendum wins the rest of the civilised World looks to Ireland for decency and compassion, that toe rag is NOT the sort of person to represent the new Ireland.

It’s not our role to offer tea and sympathy to the “civilized world”. What decency and compassion did they offer us during the crash. They all demanded their pound of flesh.

Idbatterim · 26-10-2018 09:36AM

Wheety wrote: »

You just have to look at Trump and Brexit to see what a protest vote can do. People want to upset the status quo as they feel no one is representing them.

I'm not sure it Peter Casey purposefully went after the protest vote but as soon as his team realised they doubled down.

At least a protest vote here won't have as big of an affect on the country as the 2 mentioned above.

I honestly don’t think he did go after it. He answered a question honestly. And here we are! A question being answered honestly in Ireland by someone in the public eye and this hysteria is the result. Banana republic of the highest order. If you’re voting for anyone other than Casey, don’t forget how the others stared down the lens and lied to your face when they said they’d be happy to live beside travellers!

knipex · 26-10-2018 09:37AM

ectoraige wrote: »

Ethnicity is not the same as race. People seem to think it is, and therefore argue travellers should not have their own ethnic status, but it's not.

Here's how you tell if somebody is of the same ethnicity: go live with their family for a few days. If their way of life generally matches yours, and your learned behaviours are built upon the same traditions, then you are probably of the same ethnic group.

How many members of the settled community do you know have decided to buy a caravan and move to a halting site? Despite the housing crisis, I don't know a single person who has done this.

The problem isn't travellers being recognised as an ethnic group. The problem is our society failing to adequately address the many problems our society has.

Recidivism is not restricted to the traveller community, there are repeat offenders and career criminals outside the traveller community too, and as a society we should be doing more to address this. Little is being truly done to limit the revolving doors in our courts.

There are deis schools up and down the country because we have many disadvantaged areas where educational standards, attendance, and completion rates are poor. It's not limited to halting sites, we need to more to further education for all our children. Ethnicity doesn't come into it.

There have been many settled people on social housing lists rejecting the housing provided to them, it's not something that only travellers do. And there are many travellers who quietly and gratefully accepted the accommodation provided for them, but there are no headlines written about them. If our policy allows people to game the system, then that needs to be recognised, and the policies changed to reduce that. Again, ethnicity doesn't come into it.

Recognising travellers as a distinct ethnic group does not grant immunity to laws, and does not prevent the application of progressive social policies to make Ireland a better place in which to live.

Again, the surge in the Casey vote has little (and in many cases absolutely nothing) to do with travelers.

Its to do with the way Irish society has developed, the constant excuses, exceptions and allowances made. Rules, laws no longer mean anything, referendum results can be ignored because obviously people were too stupid to realise what they were voting for. The media echo chamber, the lack of debate, the complete lack of tolerance for debate. The mere fact that if anyone questions the status quo they are called racist, scum, brain damaged. Just look at some of the comments in this thread.

The sense of superiority the virtually explodes from the new liberal, progressive elite and the waves of contempt towards the backward plebs who dare challenge them. The deluded country cousins.

The sense of entitlement, and worse, the sense of dependency that has developed. The sate had become a mother hen, her citizens no longer to be trusted to think or act for them selves. The right to free speech has been reduced to the point that would made some oppressive governments blush.

The right to privacy, innocence until proven guilty, the right to free speech, the core principles on which our society was built are no longer solid towering pillars but rubbery, wobbly inconveniences to be bent and twisted to suit the current agenda.

Casey may not be my ideal, he may not be the person I would choose for president but he is the first opportunity I have had to voice my anger where it will not have a long term negative impact on a group in society (as a protest vote woudl have in either of the lat two referendums.)

I 100% support equality. EQUALITY, no one absolutely no one should be special.

The media and the politician's can continue to ignore us, they can continue to misinterpret what we say, what we do and continue to look down their noses at us with contempt but that is what will lead to a hard right that no-one..... no-one.... least of all me wants..

Idbatterim · 26-10-2018 09:39AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

It’s not our role to offer tea and sympathy to the “civilized world”. What decency and compassion did they offer us during the crash. They all demanded their pound of flesh.

They bailed us out to bail themselves out. We were the one with the begging pot out though. Not putting ourselves in that position again is what is important and it’s in our hands, not “ de fodegners”

knipex · 26-10-2018 09:40AM

Technocentral wrote: »

Also after the recent referendum wins the rest of the civilised World looks to Ireland for decency and compassion, .

Sweet jeebus,. You need to get out more. I would bet you a months wages that if you went to 20 countries around the world and picked 20 people in each (with no family contact to Ireland) less than 10% could point to Ireland on a map.

I woudl be surprised if even 50% of them relaised that Ireland was a sovereign nation.

Technocentral · 26-10-2018 09:41AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Technocentral wrote: »

Also after the recent referendum wins the rest of the civilised World looks to Ireland for decency and compassion, that toe rag is NOT the sort of person to represent the new Ireland.

It’s not our role to offer tea and sympathy to the “civilized world”. What decency and compassion did they offer us during the crash. They all demanded their pound of flesh.

Im talking about the people not the governments.

weldoninhio · 26-10-2018 09:45AM

knipex wrote: »

Again, the surge in the Casey vote has little (and in many cases absolutely nothing) to do with travelers.

Its to do with the way Irish society has developed, the constant excuses, exceptions and allowances made. Rules, laws no longer mean anything, referendum results can be ignored because obviously people were too stupid to realise what they were voting for. The media echo chamber, the lack of debate, the complete lack of tolerance for debate. The mere fact that if anyone questions the status quo they are called racist, scum, brain damaged. Just look at some of the comments in this thread.

The sense of superiority the virtually explodes from the new liberal, progressive elite and the waves of contempt towards the backward plebs who dare challenge them. The deluded country cousins.

The sense of entitlement, and worse, the sense of dependency that has developed. The sate had become a mother hen, her citizens no longer to be trusted to think or act for them selves. The right to free speech has been reduced to the point that would made some oppressive governments blush.

The right to privacy, innocence until proven guilty, the right to free speech, the core principles on which our society was built are no longer solid towering pillars but rubbery, wobbly inconveniences to be bent and twisted to suit the current agenda.

Casey may not be my ideal, he may not be the person I would choose for president but he is the first opportunity I have had to voice my anger where it will not have a long term negative impact on a group in society (as a protest vote woudl have in either of the lat two referendums.)

I 100% support equality. EQUALITY, no one absolutely no one should be special.

The media and the politician's can continue to ignore us, they can continue to misinterpret what we say, what we do and continue to look down their noses at us with contempt but that is what will lead to a hard right that no-one..... no-one.... least of all me wants..

Perfectly put.

Technocentral · 26-10-2018 09:46AM

knipex wrote: »

Technocentral wrote: »

Also after the recent referendum wins the rest of the civilised World looks to Ireland for decency and compassion, .

Sweet jeebus,. You need to get out more. I would bet you a months wages that if you went to 20 countries around the world and picked 20 people in each (with no family contact to Ireland) less than 10% could point to Ireland on a map.

I woudl be surprised if even 50% of them relaised that Ireland was a sovereign nation.

Im talking about politically engaged people and well you know that. You were probably asleep but huge amount of World media covered refs.

Gravelly · 26-10-2018 09:49AM

Technocentral wrote: »

Also after the recent referendum wins the rest of the civilised World looks to Ireland for decency and compassion, that toe rag is NOT the sort of person to represent the new Ireland.

Of all the rubbish posted on here by the traveller and Higgins fans, this has to be the most shrill and hilarious.

I wonder if this poster has ever been outside Ireland in their life?
The thought that "the civilised world" is sitting, trembling in anticipation, waiting for Ireland to instruct them on how to set their moral compasses literally made me laugh out loud.

KevIRL · 26-10-2018 09:52AM

Graniteville wrote: »

PP will have their own exit poll and unlike the media ones, they will get their own updates during the day. So keep an eye on the various markets and you'll know what the trend is.

Turnout is very low at present. It may struggle to get 50% and that may see MDH vote suffer - he'll still win, but the 40%-50% 1st Pref bet may still be value. (but it was stonking value at 22/1 & 25/1 )

Casey now at 2/7 in the betting without MDH market. Was 1/2 last night

He is 13/8 to get 18% or higher first prefs

Technocentral · 26-10-2018 09:54AM

Gravelly wrote: »

Technocentral wrote: »

Also after the recent referendum wins the rest of the civilised World looks to Ireland for decency and compassion, that toe rag is NOT the sort of person to represent the new Ireland.

Of all the rubbish posted on here by the traveller and Higgins fans, this has to be the most shrill and hilarious.

I wonder if this poster has ever been outside Ireland in their life?
The thought that "the civilised world" is sitting, trembling in anticipation, waiting for Ireland to instruct them on how to set their moral compasses literally made me laugh out loud.

Look at the stats in recent refs. my friend, Progressives: 1, Sad Angry Losers: 0.

Gravelly · 26-10-2018 09:59AM

Technocentral wrote: »

Look at the stats in recent refs. my friend, Progressives: 1, Sad Angry Losers: 0.

:D:D

"We voted for SSM, so anything I say about anything is sacrosanct"

Ah, at least you lads are good for a laugh if nothing else.

EazyD · 26-10-2018 09:59AM

Technocentral wrote: »

Look at the stats in recent refs. my friend, Progressives: 1, Sad Angry Losers: 0.

And this folks is why we are where we are today with this identity politics guff. (I voted Yes btw before you educate me with your "progressive values").

26-10-2018 10:00AM

Technocentral wrote: »

Look at the stats in recent refs. my friend, Progressives: 1, Sad Angry Losers: 0.

I voted for SSM and to Repeal the 8th but am voting Casey. Where does that put me on your scale of absolutes?

Technocentral · 26-10-2018 10:01AM

Gravelly wrote: »

Technocentral wrote: »

Look at the stats in recent refs. my friend, Progressives: 1, Sad Angry Losers: 0.

:D:D

"We voted for SSM, so anything I say about anything is sacrosanct"

Ah, at least you lads are good for a laugh if nothing else.

Its not but you'd have to admit a more liberal electorate nowadays surely?

weldoninhio · 26-10-2018 10:01AM

Technocentral wrote: »

Look at the stats in recent refs. my friend, Progressives: 1, Sad Angry Losers: 0.

Look at the recent furore over the 2004 ref. Don't vote the way we want, it doesn't count. I'm sure the rest of the civilised world are looking on aghast that the constitutional will of the people is ignored by the government.

SafeSurfer · 26-10-2018 10:01AM

Technocentral wrote: »

Im talking about the people not the governments.

And who do you think elect the government if not the people.

It’s just more tripe and clap trap.

Doesn’t everyone love us, we have a poet for a president, an openly gay Taoiseach, gay marriage and abortion. And all that is great but not much use if people can’t buy a home, get an operation or are living in fear from roving gangs of criminals.

wexie · 26-10-2018 10:02AM

Technocentral wrote: »

Look at the stats in recent refs. my friend, Progressives: 1, Sad Angry Losers: 0.

And it would of course be entirely impossible to be pro choice, supportive of gay marriage and still think that there's a massive problem with the traveler culture in this country? That's just not possible is it?

Supporting a completely backwards, outdated and harmful culture is now considered progressive?!

Gravelly · 26-10-2018 10:04AM

Technocentral wrote: »

Its not but you'd have to admit a more liberal electorate nowadays surely?

I'm fairly liberal (despite what's posted about me here) - I voted yes for SSM, and in the abortion referendum.

That doesn't mean I have to pretend travellers are some kind of sacred cow, and ignore their criminality.

Casey #1 for me. He may not be able to do anything about it, but rewarding him for telling the truth will send a powerful message to those who can do something about it.

Technocentral · 26-10-2018 10:05AM

wexie wrote: »

Technocentral wrote: »

Look at the stats in recent refs. my friend, Progressives: 1, Sad Angry Losers: 0.

And it would of course be entirely impossible to be pro choice, supportive of gay marriage and still think that there's a massive problem with the traveler culture in this country? That's just not possible is it?

Supporting a completely backwards, outdated and harmful culture is now considered progressive?!

Where did I say it was? Read my posts, I said saying ALL members of a community are bad is wrong thats all, simple. I hate low lifes and scumbags as much as anyone on here.

26-10-2018 10:06AM

Gravelly wrote: »

I'm fairly liberal (despite what's posted about me here) - I voted yes for SSM, and in the abortion referendum.

It's mad isn't it. I've been called a liberal snowflake and an alt-right nazi in the same thread before!

weldoninhio · 26-10-2018 10:08AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

And who do you think elect the government if not the people.

It’s just more tripe and clap trap.

Doesn’t everyone love us, we have a poet for a president, an openly gay Taoiseach, gay marriage and abortion. And all that is great but not much use if people can’t buy a home, get an operation or are living in fear from roving gangs of criminals.

Much like Leo, the liberal left are only interested in optics.

Who give a shiny shyte if pensioners are getting fleeced up and down the country?, people are waiting years for surgery? etc in Ireland. It's all about how others see us, doesn't matter about the actual plebs here.

FrancieBrady · 26-10-2018 10:09AM

wexie wrote: »

And it would of course be entirely impossible to be pro choice, supportive of gay marriage and still think that there's a massive problem with the traveler culture in this country? That's just not possible is it?

Supporting a completely backwards, outdated and harmful culture is now considered progressive?!

The problem for Casey and his new found acolytes is that almost everyone recognises that there is a problem with traveller culture and welfare etc.

It is 'will they respond to incitement to hate and exploitation of these specific issues' in a presidential election is what remains to be seen.
Part of whatever vote Casey gets will come from a cohort who have woken up and realised that if they get off their backsides their vote might have an effect.
It will be convincing them to do it when it matters that will be the big job.
I am not really seeing that tbh. There seems to be a belief here that a vote for Casey means 'change must come'. Disappointment incoming I'm afraid.

26-10-2018 10:09AM

Technocentral wrote: »

Where did I say it was? Read my posts, I said saying ALL members of a community are bad is wrong thats all, simple. I hate low lifes and scumbags as much as anyone on here.

You called Peter Casey a ''toe-rag'', presumably because you think he said ALL travellers are scum. He didn't utter any of the above. He called for equality across the board when quizzed on them. Equality. You're just spouting cliched soundbytes and embarrassing yourself.

nullzero · 26-10-2018 10:09AM

wexie wrote: »

And it would of course be entirely impossible to be pro choice, supportive of gay marriage and still think that there's a massive problem with the traveler culture in this country? That's just not possible is it?

Supporting a completely backwards, outdated and harmful culture is now considered progressive?!

How many Travellers are even interested in progressive ideology?
I used to feel travellers got an unfair time of it until I had to interact with them in work.
Members of my family tut when I describe the truth about travellers even though they know what I've been through with being assaulted by them and harassment and threats I've put up with.
Travellers know well that people are afraid of them and they play on it. They are bullies and like all bullies they feign victimhood to distract from their own actions.
How many do gooders here have had to deal with them and how many would live beside them?

wexie · 26-10-2018 10:11AM

Technocentral wrote: »

Where did I say it was? Read my posts, I said saying ALL members of a community are bad is wrong thats all, simple. I hate low lifes and scumbags as much as anyone on here.

Well I've seen very few people actually say that, and if so probably in anger and frustration.

People just want the conversation about the lowlifes and scumbags brought out in the open and to start looking for constructive solutions rather than having to hear 'ah it's really not that bad' and having stuff swept under the rug time and time again.

Because there is clearly a problem and it's clearly not being addressed. And while PC clearly won't be able to change much in this regard, even if he does get elected, perhaps this might be the start of an open and honest conversation that might lead to some form of solution.

Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

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