Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

Bowlardo · 21-10-2018 07:36PM

-first three kids full child allowance in cash
-4th should be 50% child allowance in cash and the remaining claimed via tax back(you only get if your are actually working)
-5th child 25% cash child allowance and 75% reclaimed in tax
-6th child nada nothing.

We have to implement this very soon. Anyone born after 2020 this rule should apply to. There is probably some human rights bollocks prevents this but i’m Not sure how human rights.

end of the road · 21-10-2018 07:43PM

Bowlardo wrote: »

-first three kids full child allowance in cash
-4th should be 50% child allowance in cash and the remaining claimed via tax back(you only get if your are actually working)
-5th child 25% cash child allowance and 75% reclaimed in tax
-6th child nada nothing.

We have to implement this very soon. Anyone born after 2020 this rule should apply to. There is probably some human rights bollocks prevents this but i’m Not sure how human rights.

whatever about human rights preventing it, i'd imagine it's possible non-viability would definitely prevent it?

Spanish Eyes · 21-10-2018 07:49PM

Bowlardo wrote: »

-first three kids full child allowance in cash
-4th should be 50% child allowance in cash and the remaining claimed via tax back(you only get if your are actually working)
-5th child 25% cash child allowance and 75% reclaimed in tax
-6th child nada nothing.

We have to implement this very soon. Anyone born after 2020 this rule should apply to. There is probably some human rights bollocks prevents this but i’m Not sure how human rights.

Sounds very fair to working people actually.

Excluding those who are carers or are disabled obv. and cannot work.

But it will never get beyond anything really. There will be too much angst from the poverty brigade, you cannot leave children starving and so on, but there are no incentives to sort that at the moment are there? Good suggestion though.

mynamejeff · 21-10-2018 07:50PM

end of the road wrote: »

whatever about human rights preventing it, i'd imagine it's possible non-viability would definitely prevent it?

no it wouldnt

punisher5112 · 21-10-2018 07:55PM

I would love to have a politician that will actually call a spade a spade but I honestly don't think we will ever have one.

I heard the green parties rating is on the up.

How they still exist is beyond me.

Cash and her humongous family will cost us tax payers and absolute fortune.

fritzelly · 21-10-2018 08:03PM

Bowlardo wrote: »

-first three kids full child allowance in cash
-4th should be 50% child allowance in cash and the remaining claimed via tax back(you only get if your are actually working)
-5th child 25% cash child allowance and 75% reclaimed in tax
-6th child nada nothing.

We have to implement this very soon. Anyone born after 2020 this rule should apply to. There is probably some human rights bollocks prevents this but i’m Not sure how human rights.

No reason why it can't be instituted. Child benefit here is something like double in the UK, in Germany I believe its related to tax benefit.
Hey if you wanna spawn a football team then pay for it yourself

byhookorbycrook · 21-10-2018 08:04PM

Effects wrote: »

37 of those are traffic convictions. And all received while getting the kids to school. So not really crimes as such.

Sure you can hear her on 98fm on Friday, where she didn't mention these as she thinks they don't count as crimes.

I think you'd find it is a crime. And what about the one in Wexford with the stolen goods? This woman is doing nothing to further the cause of the travellers, she's a public manifestation of why many travellers are, at best, distrusted and often feared.

spookwoman · 21-10-2018 08:12PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Sounds very fair to working people actually.

Excluding those who are carers or are disabled obv. and cannot work.

But it will never get beyond anything really. There will be too much angst from the poverty brigade, you cannot leave children starving and so on, but there are no incentives to sort that at the moment are there? Good suggestion though.

Should be across the board, too many people in the world and just because someone is a carer, disabled or cannot work shouldn't mean different rules.
If somene cannot afford to have children they shouldn't have them. If they cannot afford to have children and then complain they cannot afford to feed and clothe them the only person to blame is themselves.

21-10-2018 09:20PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Should be across the board, too many people in the world and just because someone is a carer, disabled or cannot work shouldn't mean different rules.
If somene cannot afford to have children they shouldn't have them. If they cannot afford to have children and then complain they cannot afford to feed and clothe them the only person to blame is themselves.

Easy for you to say when I’m going to guess you’re neither disabled nor a Carer.

All Seeing Eye · 21-10-2018 09:23PM

Cash will have no excuses in future when the free abortions are brought in. Could be one of the unintentional benefits of the abortion referendum.

21-10-2018 09:23PM

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

Cash will have no excuses in future when the free abortions are brought in.

I don’t think there’s a traveller alive who’d have an abortion

AlekSmart · 21-10-2018 09:25PM

Effects wrote: »

37 of those are traffic convictions. And all received while getting the kids to school. So not really crimes as such.

Sure you can hear her on 98fm on Friday, where she didn't mention these as she thinks they don't count as crimes.

I wonder if your benign gaze would continue had Ms Cash crashed into your vehicle,whilst "getting her kids to school" ?

21-10-2018 09:26PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

I wonder if your benign gaze would continue had Ms Cash crashed into your vehicle,whilst "getting her kids to school" ?

Of course it wouldn’t have. When the consequence falls on the ignorant they soon change their tune.

All Seeing Eye · 21-10-2018 09:26PM

Tadeo Mysterious SailboatMGS wrote: »

I don’t think there’s a traveller alive who’d have an abortion

Should be brought in as law if your on benefits. After 2 or 3 kids you get no more money and you can have a free abortion if you want.

21-10-2018 09:27PM

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

Should be brought in as law if your on benefits. After 2 or 3 kids you get no more money so you can have a free abortion.

yeah I don’t think that’s going to happen. As well as the fact that’s an abhorrent view. Just because two people aren’t sensible enough to use protection doesn’t warrant an abortion.

All Seeing Eye · 21-10-2018 09:31PM

Tadeo Mysterious SailboatMGS wrote: »

yeah I don’t think that’s going to happen. As well as the fact that’s an abhorrent view. Just because two people aren’t sensible enough to use protection doesn’t warrant an abortion.

She doesn’t have to have an abortion but she won’t be getting anymore money. She could take an innovative approach and get a job to pay for the kids just like a lot of other people.

end of the road · 21-10-2018 09:31PM

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

Should be brought in as law if your on benefits. After 2 or 3 kids you get no more money and you can have a free abortion if you want.

removing the child benefit after a certain amount of children is unlikely to achieve your goal. children will still be had and those children would suffer undue hardship i'd imagine.

All Seeing Eye · 21-10-2018 09:34PM

end of the road wrote: »

removing the child benefit after a certain amount of children is unlikely to achieve your goal. children will still be had and those children would suffer undue hardship i'd imagine.

Still an incentive for Cash and her Ilk not to have loads of kids that we have to pay for. Maybe free abortion is not such a bad thing after all. It might save the tax payer a few quid.

spookwoman · 21-10-2018 09:36PM

Tadeo Mysterious SailboatMGS wrote: »

Easy for you to say when I’m going to guess you’re neither disabled nor a Carer.

I am on disability due to long term illness, I chose not to have children because I cannot afford to have them.

end of the road · 21-10-2018 09:37PM

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

She doesn’t have to have an abortion but she won’t be getting anymore money. She could take an innovative approach and get a job to pay for the kids just like a lot of other people.

well no she couldn't as not a chance would any employer take her on. nor would i blame them for not doing so given she shows no remorse for her actions.

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

Still an incentive for Cash and her Ilk not to have loads of kids that we have to pay for. Maybe free abortion is not such a bad thing after all. It might save the tax payer a few quid.

i'd imagine it's not one bit of an incentive, given large families exist in countries where child benefit isn't even a thing. there will be no savings, large families are quite likely to remain an occurrence, all be it small as currently.

punisher5112 · 21-10-2018 09:38PM

She has never looked for work so no point saying anyone wouldn't or would take her on. People would have to be looking for work.

All Seeing Eye · 21-10-2018 09:40PM

end of the road wrote: »

well no she couldn't as not a chance would any employer take her on. nor would i blame them for not doing so given she shows no remorse for her actions.

i'd imagine it's not one bit of an incentive, given large families exist in countries where child benefit isn't even a thing. there will be no savings, large families are quite likely to remain an occurrence, all be it small as currently.

Negative thinking on your part. If she wasn’t getting paid extra for each kid there is no way she would now have 7 kids especially in the Ireland of today that isn’t controlled by the Catholic Church. I’m sure most of the countries you are referring don’t have free abortions.

All Seeing Eye · 21-10-2018 09:42PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

She has never looked for work so no point saying anyone wouldn't or would take her on. People would have to be looking for work.

Why would she ever even think of working when she knows from her earliest days that this countriy rewards uncontrolled breeding by the welfare class.

punisher5112 · 21-10-2018 09:46PM

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

Why would she ever even think of working when she knows from her earliest days that this countriy rewards uncontrolled breeding by the welfare class.

Eh did you read my post¿¿¿

mikeym · 21-10-2018 09:48PM

She gets more money a week than most of us through benefits.

And she has to resort to thieving.

All Seeing Eye · 21-10-2018 09:50PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

Eh did you read my post¿¿¿

She would be forced to look for work if it was in her interest to especially if she had extra kids that the welfare was not paying for. Something like the American system. Under the system I propose she could just stay with 2 kids and get her benefits and this would mean great savings for the tax payer over the current situation. If she did have an accident she could avail of a free abortion which the tax payer would gladly pay for.

tayto lover · 21-10-2018 09:53PM

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

Why would she ever even think of working wXhen she knows from her earliest days that this countriy rewards uncontrolled breeding by the welfare class.

She wouldn't work. She comes from a long line of non-workers.

end of the road · 21-10-2018 09:55PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

She has never looked for work so no point saying anyone wouldn't or would take her on. People would have to be looking for work.

ah come on. she has quite a number of convictions and that's just 1 issue with her.

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

Negative thinking on your part. If she wasn’t getting paid extra for each kid there is no way she would now have 7 kids especially in the Ireland of today that isn’t controlled by the Catholic Church. I’m sure most of the countries you are referring don’t have free abortions.

it's practical thinking rather then negative thinking. if she wasn't getting paid extra for each kid, it is still possible she may have them anyway. i would be surprised if free abortion would make much of, if any difference to this issue.

end of the road · 21-10-2018 09:58PM

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

She would be forced to look for work if it was in her interest to especially if she had extra kids that the welfare was not paying for. Something like the American system. Under the system I propose she could just stay with 2 kids and get her benefits and this would mean great savings for the tax payer over the current situation. If she did have an accident she could avail of a free abortion which the tax payer would gladly pay for.

the american system doesn't prevent large families, or prevent people from having children they can't afford, from what i understand.
the system you propose is based on wishful thinking rather then reality and practicality, from what i can see.

All Seeing Eye · 21-10-2018 10:00PM

Simple then if she has extra kids the tax payer won’t be paying for them and yes I suppose that is wishful thinking the way things are now. On a practical level I do hope the regime of free abortions will help the situation around the country where welfare families are having kids they can’t afford.

Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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