Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

PikeyPoint · 20-10-2018 12:30PM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

What do you think the penalty for burglary animal cruelty intimidation dumping shoplifting sponging off the state should be?

A free house but no stable.

PikeyPoint · 20-10-2018 12:32PM

tom1ie wrote: »

I don’t hear many members of the settled community turning down houses that haven’t got stables or land attached, do you?

You did not point out the hate speech in mr Casey’s comments or even how his comments incite hate.
His comments are what’s called truths.

Did the travelers turn down tax payer funded houses because those houses didn’t have land and stables for horses? TRUE.

Is he correct to call into question a decision the government made last year when there are conflicting arguments in the scientific community? YES.

Explain to me what he’s done wrong?

He disagrees with Francie. He should be locked up.

FrancieBrady · 20-10-2018 12:34PM

tom1ie wrote: »

I don’t hear many members of the settled community turning down houses that haven’t got stables or land attached, do you?

You did not point out the hate speech in mr Casey’s comments or even how his comments incite hate.
His comments are what’s called truths.

Did the travelers turn down tax payer funded houses because those houses didn’t have land and stables for horses? TRUE.

Is he correct to call into question a decision the government made last year when there are conflicting arguments in the scientific community? YES.

Explain to me what he’s done wrong?

He said travellers are not ethnically different, wrong: the Irish state (you and me technically) recognise their ethnic status.
He said they camp on land that doesn't belong to them: wrong - 83% of travellers are in permanent housing. So only 'some' camp on land that doesn't belong to them.

He basically generalised about a community and incited the hate speech you see here and elsewhere.
He then backed away from his comments and may withdraw from the election completely.

FrancieBrady · 20-10-2018 12:36PM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

What do you think the penalty for burglary animal cruelty intimidation dumping shoplifting sponging off the state should be?

The penalty should be what is laid down in the laws of the land of course. :rolleyes:

Hitman3000 · 20-10-2018 12:36PM

FrancieBrady wrote:

What penalty would you like for people found guilty of incitement to hatred?

You seem to wish to have someone jailed that has not committed any crime

FrancieBrady wrote:

I know you think Casey is eligible for sainthood but generally, what do you think the penalty should be?

Never once suggested Casey is a saint, back to usual tactics of claiming people have alluded to something?

PikeyPoint · 20-10-2018 12:36PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

He said travellers are not ethnically different, wrong: the Irish state (you and me technically) recognise their ethnic status.
He said they camp on land that doesn't belong to them: wrong - 83% of travellers are in permanent housing. So only 'some' camp on land that doesn't belong to them.

He basically generalised about a community and incited the hate speech you see here and elsewhere.
He then backed away from his comments and may withdraw from the election completely.

He didn't back away from his comments. He is refusing to back down from his view that Travellers should not be considered an ethnic minority.

But Mr Casey admitted to being shaken by the reaction from rival candidates, interest groups and politicians.

FrancieBrady · 20-10-2018 12:38PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

You seem to wish to have someone jailed that has not committed any crime

Never once suggested Casey is a saint, back to usual tactics of claiming people have alluded to something?

It is my opinion he incited hatred and I presented the proof of that hatred. I said if he was found guilty I would wish to see him pay a penalty - a custodial sentence imo.

PikeyPoint · 20-10-2018 12:39PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It is my opinion he incited hatred and I presented the proof of that hatred. I said if he was found guilty I would wish to see him pay a penalty - a custodial sentence imo.

In your opinion. Nuff said!

Uncharted · 20-10-2018 12:39PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It is my opinion he incited hatred and I presented the proof of that hatred. I said if he was found guilty I would wish to see him pay a penalty - a custodial sentence imo.

You're embarrassing yourself.

tayto lover · 20-10-2018 12:43PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

The indo are really stooping to their usual gutter excuse for journalism against this guy.

They've a more than misleading headline, that might (if dumb enough to not see through their bullsh1t) initially give one the impression that Casey made derogatory or racist comments about Varadkar, with a headline such as this.

It's only when you drill down into the nitty gritty of the article, it doesn't look like Casey said any such thing.

Certain media outlets have obviously decided that MDH is going to be kept on as president, and they're going to do whatever it takes to keep him there, even if it means labelling a man as a racist.

Can't understand why anyone buys the Indo? It's like the Sun. It should be boycotted. I also wonder what RTE would do if a sizeable percentage of the population refused to renew their t.v. licence in protest of their reporting and unfair treatment of Casey.

Ordinary man · 20-10-2018 12:43PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It is my opinion he incited hatred and I presented the proof of that hatred. I said if he was found guilty I would wish to see him pay a penalty - a custodial sentence imo.

The likes of margaret cash with her list of previous crimes walks free from robbing a load of stuff but you want a man jailed for speaking the truth:rolleyes:

tayto lover · 20-10-2018 12:44PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It is my opinion he incited hatred and I presented the proof of that hatred. I said if he was found guilty I would wish to see him pay a penalty - a custodial sentence imo.

Get off the stage with your ridiculous comments. Where is the "inciting" in anything he said?

FrancieBrady · 20-10-2018 12:46PM

Ordinary man wrote: »

The likes of margaret cash with her list of previous crimes walks free from robbing a load of stuff but you want a man jailed for speaking the truth:rolleyes:

This is the kind of bull**** these AH threads are famous for.

There is nowhere anywhere you will find a comment from me that looks for leinency for Margaret Cash. Take your misrepresentation elsewhere please.

CinemaGuy45 · 20-10-2018 12:48PM

Ordinary man wrote: »

The likes of margaret cash with her list of previous crimes walks free from robbing a load of stuff but you want a man jailed for speaking the truth:rolleyes:

Bit boss she is a minority.;)

PikeyPoint · 20-10-2018 12:48PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

This is the kind of bull**** these AH threads are famous for.

There is nowhere anywhere you will find a comment from me that looks for leinency for Margaret Cash. Take your misrepresentation elsewhere please.

He never said you said that. You want Peter Casey jailed for speaking the truth. He made a comparison with your comments on Peter Casey and the Margaret Cash case. Try to keep up.

FrancieBrady · 20-10-2018 12:48PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Get off the stage with your ridiculous comments. Where is the "inciting" in anything he said?

Folk baying for this man's 'opinion' to be heard, should take a moment to reflect on the irony of trying to ridicule the 'opinion' of others.

It really is a delicious irony to watch unfold.

PikeyPoint · 20-10-2018 12:50PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Folk baying for this man's 'opinion' to be heard, should take a moment to reflect on the irony of trying to ridicule the 'opinion' of others.

It really is a delicious irony to watch unfold.

The irony is all on you. You want a man jailed for speaking his mind.

Yamanoto · 20-10-2018 12:51PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It is my opinion he incited hatred and I presented the proof of that hatred.

Presume you'll be making a complaint to AGS so.

Don't forget to bring your 'proof'.

CinemaGuy45 · 20-10-2018 12:51PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

This is the kind of bull**** these AH threads are famous for.

There is nowhere anywhere you will find a comment from me that looks for leinency for Margaret Cash. Take your misrepresentation elsewhere please.

He did not misrepresent you he said you want Cassy looked up while the likes of Cash with nearly 40 convictions walks free.

Where did he say you were looking for leniency for Cash?

So do you think Cash should have been locked up?

FrancieBrady · 20-10-2018 12:52PM

PikeyPoint wrote: »

He never said you said that. You want Peter Casey jailed for speaking the truth. He made a comparison with your comments on Peter Casey and the Margaret Cash case. Try to keep up.

No, again. You claim he was speaking the 'truth' and you want to make him President for doing it.

I don't think he was speaking the truth at all, he was generalising and in a dangerous way.
His own step away from his remarks proves the point. He doesn't want to be elected on the basis of them. Time for reflection for those voting for him too maybe?

tayto lover · 20-10-2018 12:53PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Folk baying for this man's 'opinion' to be heard, should take a moment to reflect on the irony of trying to ridicule the 'opinion' of others.

It really is a delicious irony to watch unfold.

You're ducking and diving now. I used to like and respect your posts even if I didn't agree with a lot of them but you're beginning to lose the plot here.

Please point out where Casey was "inciting" hatred as you claimed.

anthonyjmaher · 20-10-2018 12:55PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There is nowhere anywhere you will find a comment from me that looks for leinency for Margaret Cash. Take your misrepresentation elsewhere please.

RTE presenter Margaret Cash to us like a normal, hard working, law abiding citizen who has just fallen on hard times. They should correct the record.

Mysterypunter · 20-10-2018 12:55PM

Casey is telling the truth, typically the leprechaun was outraged.

20-10-2018 12:59PM

What actual difference does it make that travellers are an ethnic minority?

PikeyPoint · 20-10-2018 01:01PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No, again. You claim he was speaking the 'truth' and you want to make him President for doing it.

I don't think he was speaking the truth at all, he was generalising and in a dangerous way.
His own step away from his remarks proves the point. He doesn't want to be elected on the basis of them. Time for reflection for those voting for him too maybe?

He is not backing away from his comments. He is standing by them. Read the news please. Even the slanted news against him states this.

FrancieBrady · 20-10-2018 01:02PM

tayto lover wrote: »

You're ducking and diving now. I used to like and respect your posts even if I didn't agree with a lot of them but you're beginning to lose the plot here.

Please point out where Casey was "inciting" hatred as you claimed.

how am I ducking? I explained above why I think what I do. Accept the opinion or don't, that's fine, I just think it a delicious irony to be baying for one man's right to have an opinion while ridiculing another for having one. Which is what you did.

PikeyPoint · 20-10-2018 01:03PM

bubblypop wrote: »

What actual difference does it make that travellers are an ethnic minority?

Free house and a ban on criticism for openers.

Hitman3000 · 20-10-2018 01:03PM

FrancieBrady wrote:

If I thought for a minute he said it for genuine reasons, I would agree that he should run. His opinion needs challenging just like mine and others opinion. But his News At One radio and his later TV interviews convince me that he said something he doesn't believe in and used to get some cheap attention. He looked visibly shaken that he had unleashed something that scared him - hate.

The above is nothing than your opinion

FrancieBrady wrote:

For doing that, I think a short spell at the pleasure of the state would be more appropriate TBH.

Evidence of your lofty ideals about respecting the opinion of others.

PikeyPoint · 20-10-2018 01:04PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

how am I ducking? I explained above why I think what I do. Accept the opinion or don't, that's fine, I just think it a delicious irony to be baying for one man's right to have an opinion while ridiculing another for having one. Which is what you did.

No, ridiculing you because you ridicule others for their opinion and wanting a man locked up for stating his. This is what you are doing.

NIMAN · 20-10-2018 01:04PM

bubblypop wrote: »

What actual difference does it make that travellers are an ethnic minority?

Means they have free reign to do whatever they want, and be above criticism or scrutiny.

Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

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