Nvidia RTX Discussion

That's a bit silly.

New card has full warranty and support, also Freesysnc support, not to mention the Nitro 64 is probably the best 64 card available. I would rather a new Nitro Vega 64 over a 2nd hand 1080.

Also Vega 56 at around €400 new with 3 new release games from OCUK is great value.

I'm not sure at this point between those comments and some of the ones on the RTX thread if you're genuinely being sincere or just subtly trolling.

The vast majority of 2nd hand GPUs don't have transferable warranties, most manufacturers will insist you RMA through the retailer you purchased from.....so even if the seller is willing to accommodate that (and most would not), it's still major hassle for both the buyer and original seller and certainly has a degree of risk.

The exception would be EVGA who have fantastic transferable warranty but there's no the remotest chance you're getting a 2nd hand EVGA 1080Ti for anything close to the price of a Vega 64.

certainly the value:performance discussion on this thread has some logical holes in it with people choosing to discount the used market for some reason best known only to them but on the other hand holding price:performance as the metric by which all will be judged.

That's an absurd twist of logic. People buy new because they're buying peace of mind and a warranty as well as the actual product itself. There is zero hypocrisy or logical holes of any description there.

Sure why does anyone buy a new car when they can get 'better value' 2nd hand? It's all relative, but it's hardly hypocritical or a logical fallacy to buy a new car over a used one.

Buy your Vega 64 Nitro new, have 3 years of solid performance backed up with peace of mind. Buy a 2nd hand GTX1080ti for a little more, enjoy better performance, but it might break in 3 months....a year...or it might never break. Who knows? That's up to the buyer to decide how much the risk is worth.

But painting people as hypocrites for not wanting to take that risk is ridiculous.

used the car analogy myself in this thread before. I agree, why do people buy new cars unless they are getting the new model? Warranties are easy to buy. I am sencere but do like some levity to the dicussion....its computer games after all its supposed to be fun

500-600 is the adverts 1080ti price, there is a watercooled AIO EVGA model up for 650 at the moment, I would say 600 would get it. Thats close to the price of a Vega 64 and its a far better card

So long as you have the original receipt or invoice number returning a non transferable warranty or a carry-in warranty is no problem, I have done it a number of times (never on a GPU only GPU I ever returned was a new one with terrible coil whine, shame I couldn't test it before purchase ).

Nobody is being called a hypocrite, I just think people dont follow their own logic to the conclusion. People are going out an buying last gen new...its crazy stuff and the companies must be laughing their heads off. People are outraged only enough to justify the decisions they had already made.

Skerries wrote: »

are you still using your Vega 64 Terror and how do you find it as regards noise and power consumption?

We all confirmation bias dont we.

Genevieve Disgusting Self-improvement wrote: »

So long as you have the original receipt or invoice number returning a non transferable warranty or a carry-in warranty is no problem, I have done it a number of times (never on a GPU only GPU I ever returned was a new one with terrible coil whine, shame I couldn't test it before purchase

With Evga this is true, almost every other manufacturer will tell you to go through the retailer.....who is turn will only deal with the original buyer.

Even those few manufacturers who will accept a card directly will not deal with anyone other than the original buyer.

SO unless you buy Evga, or from a seller you trust 100% to handle any possible return on your part down the line, you've got little to no warranty, no matter how old the card actually is.

In a way you have a point. the power limits on turing cards mean that cards withouyt headroom cant just be given voltage and run hotter, the power limit will kick in early. It just means there is less silicon lottery in it. Is that good or bad? If you want a overclocked card, buy one factory. Your unlikely to get a reference card that will overclock like a champ. I would say its a function of the yield on such a big die. Also we have nothing yet to stress the entire chip, and when RTX and turing cores are going full the thermals and power limits of these chips may be quite different