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site_owner · 12-10-2018 12:05PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVyNKoHN0hM

bus never indicated, even when i got in front and looked back, the indicator was never on.

rushfan · 12-10-2018 12:07PM

site_owner wrote:

bus never indicated, even when i got in front and looked back, the indicator was never on.

Scary! You did well to stay upright.

Hurrache · 12-10-2018 12:18PM

site_owner wrote: »

bus never indicated, even when i got in front and looked back, the indicator was never on.

Seems that company has a bit of a habit of ****ty driving. Same day as your incident, too much of a coincidence to be the same driver? I'd be flagging the video on twitter to them, and piggy backing this guys tweets who are being retweeted by the cycling advocacy groups.

https://twitter.com/CH415_/status/1050303527745146881

CramCycle · 12-10-2018 12:24PM

Budawanny wrote: »

Whiles I didn’t actually witness it it was clear that the pedestrian walked out from behind a car whiles jay walking without looking where he was going.

Another devils advocate, you didn't see it so we will never be sure but if it happened the way you describe, my opinion would be that the cyclist is at least partially responsible. There is a reason other than dooring why you do not cycle close to parked cars or buses and this would be the reason. I say this knowing full well that alot of cyclists do this because that is where the cycle lane puts you. If I am overtaking a truck, lorry, bus that has pulled in or is parked, I give much more room on the way by as I don't know who might come out from behind it. Much the same way as you are not allowed overtake pulled in buses in other parts of the world.

mr spuckler · 12-10-2018 12:31PM

site_owner wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVyNKoHN0hM

bus never indicated, even when i got in front and looked back, the indicator was never on.

fvcking hell.
there are several recent bad ones on twitter for Matthews coaches too. edit...as already noted above.

Rechuchote · 12-10-2018 12:41PM

Some prosecution lawyer is rubbing the hands together at the idea of all that free background evidence if a Matthews bus driver ever gets into a crash.

Ray Bloody Purchase · 12-10-2018 12:57PM

I've had a few close ones with JJ Kavanaghs coaches on the Quays. They seem to be particularly aggressive towards cyclists. Anyone else experience this?

Seth Brundle · 12-10-2018 01:38PM

Rechuchote wrote: »

Some prosecution lawyer is rubbing the hands together at the idea of all that free background evidence if a Matthews bus driver ever gets into a crash.

If that was the case then you would think Matthews or at least their insurance company would look for better driver standards?

CramCycle · 12-10-2018 02:15PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

If that was the case then you would think Matthews or at least their insurance company would look for better driver standards?

As is always the case, it will be when a claim is made that they will start looking harder.
I won't give my view on Matthews as it would be libelous but alot of co workers use them and they provide a service that is needed, but if half of the things that I hear are true, they need alot of work at all levels.

12-10-2018 03:27PM

Used them a bit over the years, their drivers don't seem aware of speed limits for buses on motorways and like CramCycle I could say far worse about them.

rubadub · 12-10-2018 07:18PM

TooObvious wrote: »

As already alluded elsewhere on this thread there's no such thing as jaywalking in Ireland..

Not sure what you read, I would like to see the quote. We certainly do have "jaywalking" type laws here.

Whenever I bring it up 50% of the time it is questioned as to whether they exist. I am not surprised you are completely ignorant about it, not just unaware but confident enough to be certain there is none. It is hugely tolerated by other road users and the gardai. I only know of 1 person who was done for it, and even then I am not sure if he was done under that specific law.

MOST AGREE WITH FINES FOR JAYWALKERS

I think we really need safe cross code adverts again. I have never seen it as bad in my life, mindless phone gazing morons strutting out onto the road like it is their god given right. And many probably do think it is they are legally in the right. Some amongst the same type of cnut who would describe a cyclist as "mad" for not wearing a helmet.

Budawanny · 12-10-2018 07:32PM

TooObvious wrote: »

As already alluded elsewhere on this thread there's no such thing as jaywalking in Ireland. The pedestrian is at the top of the pecking order when it comes to vulnerable road users and the cyclist should have been able to stop on time - or if not then take the blame.

Well all it what you will.
Pedestrians are prohibited from crossing a road within 15 metres of a pedestrian crossing, without using the crossing.

Budawanny · 12-10-2018 07:34PM

benjamin d wrote: »

Playing devil's advocate here it was probably a good idea to wait until everyone was sure that any damage or injuries are sorted or info shared, however I'm sure the braying mob saw a bike and immediately decided Hitler himself was on a murderous rampage through town on his two wheeled death machine. Presumably while the good citizen drivers blissfully parked arseways and ignored every traffic light on the street - the rules of the road are strictly optional for vehicles on Camden Street.

Ya I’m kind of undecided on I myself to be honest.

Budawanny · 12-10-2018 07:37PM

ganmo wrote: »

the 'mob' was right to stop him if they were unsure if the pedestrian was injured.
look at it from the opposite way, if a pedestrian knocked a cyclist off their bike would it be ok for the pedestrian to walk away? You'd hope others present would stop them too

Agreed but he did stop. He did lift him. He asked him was he ok.
He said are you sure ? Your man said ya I think so.
Then bike dude went to leave. Then dude freaked out and mob formed.
He didn’t just leg it ..

Budawanny · 12-10-2018 07:41PM

CramCycle wrote: »

Another devils advocate, you didn't see it so we will never be sure but if it happened the way you describe, my opinion would be that the cyclist is at least partially responsible. There is a reason other than dooring why you do not cycle close to parked cars or buses and this would be the reason. I say this knowing full well that alot of cyclists do this because that is where the cycle lane puts you. If I am overtaking a truck, lorry, bus that has pulled in or is parked, I give much more room on the way by as I don't know who might come out from behind it. Much the same way as you are not allowed overtake pulled in buses in other parts of the world.

So I saw the pedestrian on the ground and the dude lifting him in to te ground.
Yours is a good nuanced point but in this instance there was lunited space because you have parked vehicles in the bus lane but also traffic beside that so the space between the two is limited .

magicbastarder · 12-10-2018 08:50PM

rubadub wrote: »

MOST AGREE WITH FINES FOR JAYWALKERS

motorist's lobby organisation publishes motorist friendly poll shocker.

CramCycle · 12-10-2018 11:01PM

Budawanny wrote: »

So I saw the pedestrian on the ground and the dude lifting him in to te ground.
Yours is a good nuanced point but in this instance there was lunited space because you have parked vehicles in the bus lane but also traffic beside that so the space between the two is limited .

I know what you mean, and I understand how cyclists end up there. I am just saying what I would do. I'd pull out into the main traffic lane and hold it if I couldn't see over or around the parked vehicles. Regrettably design and bullying by others mean that alot of cyclists build poor habits they don't even realise are poor.

To make it a simpler view, imagine the parked bus/truck is a building with no windows. Would you cycle at your normal speed hugging the wall as you reached the corner or would you pull out from the wall to give anyone coming from the other side in the same situation as you a chance, be they walking or cycling.

Rechuchote · 13-10-2018 10:39AM

CramCycle wrote: »

I know what you mean, and I understand how cyclists end up there. I am just saying what I would do. I'd pull out into the main traffic lane and hold it if I couldn't see over or around the parked vehicles. Regrettably design and bullying by others mean that alot of cyclists build poor habits they don't even realise are poor.

To make it a simpler view, imagine the parked bus/truck is a building with no windows. Would you cycle at your normal speed hugging the wall as you reached the corner or would you pull out from the wall to give anyone coming from the other side in the same situation as you a chance, be they walking or cycling.

People walk out from behind vans and buses and trucks, though.

I'm constantly passed by cars really gunning it because I'm "taking the lane". What's their hurry? Is there a monster chasing all the drivers of Ireland? They're only rushing to the next crossroads!

AndrewJRenko · 13-10-2018 11:04AM

Rechuchote wrote: »

They're only rushing to the next crossroads!

Or more specifically, to the back of the next queue of cars at the next crossroads.

seamus · 15-10-2018 11:09AM

Had a guy pass so close on the way up Dundrum hill this morning that I felt the wing mirror brush my leg hair. Gave him the universal "WTF" hand signals and at the next lights found him stopped at an angle in the lane several seconds after the rest of the traffic had pulled away.

Thought he was stopping to "have a chat", but then he pulled away as I approached, and proceeded to keep drifting leftwards in the road while driving slowly, even hitting the kerb at one point.

So, probably drunk rather than trying to wind me up. Unfortunately by that stage there was another vehicle behind him so I couldn't get the reg.

Duckjob · 15-10-2018 01:17PM

seamus wrote: »

Had a guy pass so close on the way up Dundrum hill this morning that I felt the wing mirror brush my leg hair. Gave him the universal "WTF" hand signals and at the next lights found him stopped at an angle in the lane several seconds after the rest of the traffic had pulled away.

Thought he was stopping to "have a chat", but then he pulled away as I approached, and proceeded to keep drifting leftwards in the road while driving slowly, even hitting the kerb at one point.

So, probably drunk rather than trying to wind me up. Unfortunately by that stage there was another vehicle behind him so I couldn't get the reg.

That's not very reassuring :eek:

seamus · 15-10-2018 01:26PM

I'd say we'd terrified how many drivers on the morning commute are still banjoed from the night before. Especially Monday mornings. There's no way you can go out drinking the night before, get home at 1am, get up for work at 7, and be sober enough to drive.

Seth Brundle · 15-10-2018 02:09PM

seamus wrote: »

I felt the wing mirror brush my leg hair.

Was he in a low sports car or are you on something like a Penny Farthing?

italodisco · 15-10-2018 02:57PM

'68 Fastback wrote: »

I'm in work atm but you're right, schoolboy error on my part

Will post as soon as i figure it out.

Never figured how to post that video from your made up story? Lol

seamus · 15-10-2018 03:39PM

It was certainly an older car, the roof was around shoulder height.

magicbastarder · 15-10-2018 06:01PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Was he in a low sports car or are you on something like a Penny Farthing?

my road bike saddle is about the same height as my car mirror. car is an octavia, and i'm not madly tall. given i'd be sitting *on* my saddle, my hip would probably be slightly higher than the wing mirror.

Wishbone Ash · 15-10-2018 06:44PM

Rechuchote wrote: »

...I'm constantly passed by cars really gunning it because I'm "taking the lane". What's their hurry? Is there a monster chasing all the drivers of Ireland? They're only rushing to the next crossroads!

Yesterday, a motorist behind me leaned on her horn while I was going around a blind bend. A few seconds later, she was stopped at traffic lights. Rolled up and asked her what the problem was (Indian lady in traditional sari etc).
"You were in the vay".
I pointed out that it was a blind bend with a continuous white line but she was having none of it.
"When you hear a car you must get out of the vay".

There's no reasoning with some people.

amcalester · 15-10-2018 07:21PM

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Yesterday, a motorist behind me leaned on her horn while I was going around a blind bend. A few seconds later, she was stopped at traffic lights. Rolled up and asked her what the problem was (Indian lady in traditional sari etc).
"You were in the vay".
I pointed out that it was a blind bend with a continuous white line but she was having none of it.
"When you hear a car you must get out of the vay".

There's no reasoning with some people.

Should’ve told her you couldn’t hear the car over the horn.

Fighting Tao · 15-10-2018 07:24PM

Cycling through Sandymount this morning while overtaking another cyclist he decided he didn’t have to signal turning right. Thankfully I had a bit of acceleration built up. Luckily I wasn’t an electric car.

RobertFoster · 15-10-2018 08:58PM

Startled a woman walking on the Bayside section of the Dublin Bay cycle path today. We were both heading towards Howth, I was in the middle of the cycle lane avoiding the stuff growing at the wall and she was to the right of the white line. It was quiet so I had a good long view of her as I approached from behind, she wasn't drifting left and there were no gaps in the wall for her to go through.

At the exact moment I reached her it seemed like she turned 90° left and stepped into the cycle lane. I didn't have time to react either consciously or subconsciously and held my line, but she felt really close. I think she made a startled noise, and as I looked back she was looking after me holding her chest (in a startled way, not a heart attack way

). Still can't fathom her sudden change in direction, she didn't look like the wall hopping type.

Bloody cyclists, buzzing pedestrians!

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