Clare GAA discussion thread

windy shepard henderson · 03-10-2018 12:57AM

its got nothing to do with the quality of football , the fact is clare football it too lopsided , this year out of say 26 or 27 football teams in the county 16 of them were senior , which is crazy . in kerry its the other way round , a team must be deserving of its place in senior

if there is 16 teams in the kerry championship normally only 7 or 8 would be club teams and the rest amalgamated from the rest of the county which makes the championship far stronger , for example the size of o'currys parrish vs the size of kilmurry ibrickane's is vastly different a small parrish like that has no chance in competing , but adding in say one or two neighbouring parrish's makes them competitive

its been proven to work underage so far , its nothing to do with trying to be like kerry but the fact is the kerry module in how to run a club championship is better then the way we are running ours at the moment

windy shepard henderson · 03-10-2018 01:05AM

Gaatalk wrote: »

Just to say another point there is no progress at underage football in clare either in my opinion.
Take for instance the secondary schools and west clare schools team that was I think in the corn ui muiri munster schools championship has been making no real progress. If the combination of secondary schools in west clare cant compete at the top level well then no hope for clare minor teams etc that represent clare.
In football there is alot of talk and cockiness in clare with nothing to show for it!

nonsense all of clare's under age in hurling and football has been run through the development squads for years now hence the 4 u21 all irelands , which led to the senior in 13 and the league in 16 , add in the footballers wining division 3 along with making the last 8 in 16 also , the minors have got to the last 8 in football the last to years also which is along way better then a large number of football counties are doing at the moment

its years ago since schools teams led to underage here in fact thats why the development squads came in to place as the schools way was not working

Gaatalk · 03-10-2018 07:40PM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

its got nothing to do with the quality of football , the fact is clare football it too lopsided , this year out of say 26 or 27 football teams in the county 16 of them were senior , which is crazy . in kerry its the other way round , a team must be deserving of its place in senior

if there is 16 teams in the kerry championship normally only 7 or 8 would be club teams and the rest amalgamated from the rest of the county which makes the championship far stronger , for example the size of o'currys parrish vs the size of kilmurry ibrickane's is vastly different a small parrish like that has no chance in competing , but adding in say one or two neighbouring parrish's makes them competitive

its been proven to work underage so far , its nothing to do with trying to be like kerry but the fact is the kerry module in how to run a club championship is better then the way we are running ours at the moment

I disagree with most of what you have said except to say yes clare football is loopsided but lets be frank its actually in shocking dire straits since 1992 regardless even if 3 munster clubs were won more to do with munsters standard dropping down.

As for your take that the kerry module is better, well its higher standard of skilful football below there. The Clare championship should be run off in 8 or 10 teams max. There are hardlly no more than 5 to 6 competitive senior teams at the moment in Clare so 8 teams would be enough at most. The idea of adding joined up parishes to make up teams is pure nonsense just because towns like even Kilkee & Kilrush & in the past places like Ennistymon and Lisdoonvarna could not get up to senior grade. The cop out is to join forces! You wont see killarney joining up with Tralee. And yes where the big ball is concerned Clare are copycats t kerry. No wonder Clare bow to them every time they meet them in the field!

Gaatalk · 03-10-2018 07:51PM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

nonsense all of clare's under age in hurling and football has been run through the development squads for years now hence the 4 u21 all irelands , which led to the senior in 13 and the league in 16 , add in the footballers wining division 3 along with making the last 8 in 16 also , the minors have got to the last 8 in football the last to years also which is along way better then a large number of football counties are doing at the moment

its years ago since schools teams led to underage here in fact thats why the development squads came in to place as the schools way was not working

Its not nonsense I disagree with you completely.
Now regarding the football you are clutching at straws very very much to suggest that the underage development football squad led to Clares Div 3 title and getting into the last 8 in 16 and the minors doing well. Lets be frank when clare got into the last 8 with a lot of luck in 16 they then folded up in style again to Kerry just as they did in Munster t same year! So the development squad has not instilled confidence into them to beat Kerry nor never will id reckon.
Furthermore 2016 was a once off never built on it last year or this year and still loose to Kerry either narrowily at home or in hammerings in Killarney Fact! Winning a Div3 title isnt exactly groundbreaking success is it but more a sign of the low base at! As regards your take that the minors have done well. They have not but deluded themselves and got bad hammerings 2 or 3 yrs in a row to kerry yet again in munster finals!

Gaatalk · 03-10-2018 10:13PM

Ah yes indeed good night now no wild dreams of Sam coming to Clare because Sam doesnt even enter a dream. But we might dream of Liam again as always dream Liam is sooner to coming to Clare than Sam. Night.

Gael85 · 03-10-2018 10:43PM

Gaatalk wrote: »

Ah yes indeed good night now no wild dreams of Sam coming to Clare because Sam doesnt even enter a dream. But we might dream of Liam again as always dream Liam is sooner to coming to Clare than Sam. Night.

What county are you from?

windy shepard henderson · 04-10-2018 12:23AM

Gaatalk wrote: »

Its not nonsense I disagree with you completely.
Now regarding the football you are clutching at straws very very much to suggest that the underage development football squad led to Clares Div 3 title and getting into the last 8 in 16 and the minors doing well. Lets be frank when clare got into the last 8 with a lot of luck in 16 they then folded up in style again to Kerry just as they did in Munster t same year! So the development squad has not instilled confidence into them to beat Kerry nor never will id reckon.
Furthermore 2016 was a once off never built on it last year or this year and still loose to Kerry either narrowily at home or in hammerings in Killarney Fact! Winning a Div3 title isnt exactly groundbreaking success is it but more a sign of the low base at! As regards your take that the minors have done well. They have not but deluded themselves and got bad hammerings 2 or 3 yrs in a row to kerry yet again in munster finals!

well this is clares level sadly , when you only have just over 20 clubs to work with its as good as your going to get i am afraid

windy shepard henderson · 04-10-2018 12:34AM

Gaatalk wrote: »

I disagree with most of what you have said except to say yes clare football is loopsided but lets be frank its actually in shocking dire straits since 1992 regardless even if 3 munster clubs were won more to do with munsters standard dropping down.

As for your take that the kerry module is better, well its higher standard of skilful football below there. The Clare championship should be run off in 8 or 10 teams max. There are hardlly no more than 5 to 6 competitive senior teams at the moment in Clare so 8 teams would be enough at most. The idea of adding joined up parishes to make up teams is pure nonsense just because towns like even Kilkee & Kilrush & in the past places like Ennistymon and Lisdoonvarna could not get up to senior grade. The cop out is to join forces! You wont see killarney joining up with Tralee. And yes where the big ball is concerned Clare are copycats t kerry. No wonder Clare bow to them every time they meet them in the field!

just to clarify on what i said yesterday , teams are not amalgamating around west clare to copy kerry they are doing so to stay in existence , ...as you know as you are from co clare :rolleyes: ...any way ....

kilkee kilrush doonbeg wherever ... cant keep on to players after under age because there is **** all work available to them when they finish collage in west clare , most players travel or move up the country and lose contact with the club

that why they will have to join together over the next few years , this has been obvious to everyone else on this page for virtually the last ten years now as these clubs have been alamageted in some way under age and now will have to do it at senior

this is where you fail the i am not a robot test :pac::pac:

windy shepard henderson · 04-10-2018 12:42AM

Gael85 wrote: »

What county are you from?

it makes no difference :rolleyes:

windy shepard henderson · 06-10-2018 02:01AM

just banned gaatalk from the thread if any one has any problem with users in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

the future please pm me ,

ok with 2 big semi finals coming up over the weekend here were the thoughts of the winning teams two weeks ago starting off with the talented jacob loughnanes father pat of the O'C mills along with 4 players we have talked about on the thread that are not on the clare starting 15 at the moment , niall deasy after his 1-13 against inagh, gary cooney on his rise to senior ranks , All Star Conor Ryans Excellent younger brother diarmuid on his brilliant year so far , and finally Mikey 'the pikey' O'Neill kilmallys top scorer this year and county panelist fails to give an explanation on his pikey Tg4 Entrance against Eire Og in the 1/4 final :pac::pac::pac:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diLgS1YrHfs][/YOUTUBE]

4Ad · 06-10-2018 08:50PM

The 10 euro I spent going into Cusack park was worth every cent just to see Tony Kelly in action..a class act.
He must of covered every inch of grass, the skill and running with and without the ball, and great decision making..wow.

As a Mills supporter it was a disapointment but the better team won.

windy shepard henderson · 06-10-2018 10:59PM

4Ad wrote: »

The 10 euro I spent going into Cusack park was worth every cent just to see Tony Kelly in action..a class act.
He must of covered every inch of grass, the skill and running with and without the ball, and great decision making..wow.

As a Mills supporter it was a disapointment but the better team won.

great year for the mills and some promising years ahead , gary cooney was excellent again today , sean cotter ,sean o gorman , adian fawl and jacob loughnane all had excellent campaigains , both kevin o callaghan and colin crehan were two very useful subs to have also , this will be a huge learning curve for the lads coming out of the underage ranks for sure

while conor cooney had an excellent game today i felt paddy donnellan was wasted on cillian brennan who wasnt doing much , also tacitly i felt at the time that maybe ye should have pushed up in the last ten minutes when ye needed a goal

it was an excellent effort and a great game to watch in general , great year all round in fairness the performance against wolfe tones especially was excellent , one of them days where everything worked today sadly when your up against the likes of kelly in that form scoring 1-09 from play there probably is not much you can do

windy shepard henderson · 06-10-2018 11:13PM

kevin sheehan deserves huge credit for the job he has done with ballyea this year , fergie o loughlin was the appointed manager at the start of the year , he left after round 3 of the clare cup , i imagine it is hugely different managing a side like ballyea with so many inter county players on both codes and the various football teams that players are pooled from in west clare , fergie was entering a completely different environment from the one he left last year in clooney/quinn

sheehan was only back from holidays when he was approached to take over the team , he would have probably being playing in goals today if fergie was still in charge, on top of that several players missing from the previous year he has worked wonders , captain stan lineen , cathal doohan , gudgie o'connell , padjo connelly , injured players paul flanagan and damien burke who all featured heavily in the run to croke park two years ago all out , they enter the county final unbeaten in the championship , and while deasey and kelly are playing well he has got the best out of the squad players that were asked to step in , especially brandon o'connell and gus keane

windy shepard henderson · 06-10-2018 11:44PM

round up of saturdays games , ballyea meet either cratloe or kilmaley in two weeks time , feakle are one game away from regaining senior status , corofin or tubber will be the team that will try and stop them in the final , while crusheen win the consolation prize of senior b honors in a repeat of the 2007 senior decider , brave effort by tulla infairness very even game

Clare Senior Hurling Champ semi-Final:
Ballyea 1 – 21 O'Callaghan's Mills 1 – 17

Senior B Hurling Champ Final:
Crusheen 0 – 18 Tulla 0 - 16

Intermediate Hurling Champ Semi-Final:
Feakle 2 – 21 Scariff 0 - 12

Redsoxfan · 07-10-2018 08:32PM

Is there much of a rivalry between Feakle and Scariff? Many's the night out I had in Scariff when staying with the relatives in Feakle.

Kristopherus · 07-10-2018 10:19PM

Redsoxfan wrote: »

Is there much of a rivalry between Feakle and Scariff? Many's the night out I had in Scariff when staying with the relatives in Feakle.

Yep. Serious rivalry. More intense than Windy & GT.:D:D:D

Figerty · 07-10-2018 10:58PM

Kristopherus wrote: »

Yep. Serious rivalry. More intense than Windy & GT.:D:D:D

Compared to Feakle vs Broadford:D

Reputable Rog · 08-10-2018 06:06PM

Figerty wrote: »

Compared to Feakle vs Broadford:D

Are Broadford not the default rivals for everyone?

supernova5 · 08-10-2018 07:33PM

They wouldn't be exactly noted for their style, grace and sportsmanship on the field anyway, they knew how to make the hurling pitch a war zone [certainly that was the case some decades ago, not sure about now]

Figerty · 08-10-2018 11:16PM

supernova5 wrote: »

They wouldn't be exactly noted for their style, grace and sportsmanship on the field anyway, they knew how to make the hurling pitch a war zone [certainly that was the case some decades ago, not sure about now]

They went supernova a few weeks ago.....or more big bang theory..

windy shepard henderson · 09-10-2018 12:39AM

Kristopherus wrote: »

Yep. Serious rivalry. More intense than Windy & GT.:D:D:D

:D:D hahaha very good , he should be back in a few days which we all cant wait for i am sure

windy shepard henderson · 09-10-2018 01:00AM

Reputable Rog wrote: »

Are Broadford not the default rivals for everyone?

broadford , smith o'brians and bodyke would have to enter the list of lets say "firms' in clare hurling bit like milwall, chealsea and west ham in the 80s :pac: tulla deserve a mention also as a rival of the rest of the county

listening to a few lads over the weekend talking about the recent brawls up in the ulster counties doing the rounds online at the moment

they were obviously absent from cusack park the day wolfe tones and the smiths ended up inside the terrace across from the main stand in an intermediate championship game a few years ago

Dickie9 · 10-10-2018 10:32PM

Could this be the year off a st.josephs miltown vs kib in d final be some rivarly if it happens!!

letowski · 10-10-2018 11:06PM

https://twitter.com/ClareSenHurlers/status/1050019894849404930

Hopefully round 2 is on the 26th of May. Kind of an awkward fixture list, would have preferred a home game to start. But its the Munster championship, no matter which way you spin it, its going to be really tough to get out of.

windy shepard henderson · 10-10-2018 11:08PM

Dickie9 wrote: »

Could this be the year off a st.josephs miltown meet kib in d final be some rivarly if it happens!!

too hard to call , there is always something that gets in the way of this fixture from happening , cratloe are flying at the moment and there fitness levels dont show any sign of dropping , miltown probably are favorites this time out though both sides beat clondegad this year in championship , miltown were far more impressive and enfactic in there win then what cratloe were so i make them favorites

however if there is a possible upset on the cards dont be too surprised to see ennistymon turn over kilmurry , bar dermot coughlans excellent performance and goals either side of half time kilmurry were in huge trouble against corofin in the 1/4 final

ennistymon are a huge step up from that and will go toe to toe with kilmurry , they beat them in the championship the last time they met 3 years ago and they probably are stronger now then what they were then , the only thing keeping kilmurry going at the moment is keelan sexton and dermot coughlin they are not as strong as they were in the past out around the field

if it were a mltown v kilmurry final i would make miltown favorites on how much better they have played up to now

windy shepard henderson · 10-10-2018 11:13PM

letowski wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ClareSenHurlers/status/1050019894849404930

Hopefully round 2 is on the 26th of May. Kind of an awkward fixture list, would have preferred a home game to start. But its the Munster championship, no matter which way you spin it, its going to be really tough to get out of.

it would have to be may 26th other wise there is no point in a two week break and we will have to play 3 games in 3 weeks like limerick this year , i still think this format suits us more then the older one especially two guaranteed home games

if there was one tweak i would make is , the 4 teams that dont make the top 3 in leinster and munster play off against each other for a place in round 3 and join the joe mcdonagh winner rather then having 2 macdonagh cup teams in round 3

letsseehere14 · 11-10-2018 04:36PM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

it would have to be may 26th other wise there is no point in a two week break and we will have to play 3 games in 3 weeks like limerick this year , i still think this format suits us more then the older one especially two guaranteed home games

if there was one tweak i would make is , the 4 teams that dont make the top 3 in leinster and munster play off against each other for a place in round 3 and join the joe mcdonagh winner rather then having 2 macdonagh cup teams in round 3

Problem being if it is the 26th of May then both Waterford and Tipp will be drawing the short straw 2 years in a row, by being the teams to play 3 weeks in a row.
If its the 2nd of June it will be Limerick and Clare. So either Waterford and Tipp get punished twice in a row or we have to take a hit this year.
Interestingly look at the Leinster Hurling Champtionship 2019, played over 6 weeks also but formatted so as nobody has to play 3 games in a row, yet the Munster council cant sort themselves out.

funnyname · 11-10-2018 10:28PM

Pure joke from the Munster council, hopefully they see sense as there's plenty of time to match what Leinster has done.

letsseehere14 wrote: »

Problem being if it is the 26th of May then both Waterford and Tipp will be drawing the short straw 2 years in a row, by being the teams to play 3 weeks in a row.
If its the 2nd of June it will be Limerick and Clare. So either Waterford and Tipp get punished twice in a row or we have to take a hit this year.
Interestingly look at the Leinster Hurling Champtionship 2019, played over 6 weeks also but formatted so as nobody has to play 3 games in a row, yet the Munster council cant sort themselves out.

Mehapoy · 12-10-2018 07:50AM

funnyname wrote: »

Pure joke from the Munster council, hopefully they see sense as there's plenty of time to match what Leinster has done.

letsseehere14 wrote: »

Problem being if it is the 26th of May then both Waterford and Tipp will be drawing the short straw 2 years in a row, by being the teams to play 3 weeks in a row.
If its the 2nd of June it will be Limerick and Clare. So either Waterford and Tipp get punished twice in a row or we have to take a hit this year.
Interestingly look at the Leinster Hurling Champtionship 2019, played over 6 weeks also but formatted so as nobody has to play 3 games in a row, yet the Munster council cant sort themselves out.

Just shows what clowns are in the Munster council, there was ample time to come up with a schedule that would have seen no team play more than 2 weeks in a row but the dinosaurs didnt have the imagination for it, shows how amateur the administrators are compared to players and management teams nowadays

Mehapoy · 12-10-2018 07:50AM

funnyname wrote: »

Pure joke from the Munster council, hopefully they see sense as there's plenty of time to match what Leinster has done.

letsseehere14 wrote: »

Problem being if it is the 26th of May then both Waterford and Tipp will be drawing the short straw 2 years in a row, by being the teams to play 3 weeks in a row.
If its the 2nd of June it will be Limerick and Clare. So either Waterford and Tipp get punished twice in a row or we have to take a hit this year.
Interestingly look at the Leinster Hurling Champtionship 2019, played over 6 weeks also but formatted so as nobody has to play 3 games in a row, yet the Munster council cant sort themselves out.

Just shows what clowns are in the Munster council, there was ample time to come up with a schedule that would have seen no team play more than 2 weeks in a row but the dinosaurs didnt have the imagination for it, shows how amateur the administrators are compared to players and management teams nowadays

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