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80s bands now the only way to fill venues

  • 07-10-2018 10:38PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭


    Metallica
    Guns and roses
    Bon jovi
    U2
    Rolling stones
    RHCP

    And so forth..

    Is it the publics lack of taste in good new bands or the promotors and venue managers not taking a chance any more.

    Fast forward 20 years. Who of today's era could headline Slane. It's frightening.

    OTOH with a bit of luck the planet will be mince meat by then


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 593 ✭✭✭engiweirdo


    Good new bands? Where?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Yamanoto


    Some talented bands mentioned there.

    What irks me more is nostalgia alone seems enough in & of itself to transform what was utterly anodyne crud like Westlife into pure gold 15 years down the line.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭lalababa


    Big bands and these type of concerts are not as popular to the younger generations. They have more choice with Google for music (so one particular band or gendre can't become a mainstay for a particular age group)and other interests such as gaming.
    Concert going can be expensive seems to me.
    Why go to a concert to hang out with your friends when you can just what's app them and send them a YouTube vid on whatever interests them atm.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Op I dont think you are onto anything really. Rolling stones aren't 80s for one.

    There's much less invested in individual groups now, and their focus tends not to be on headlining big venues. A lot of tours tend to run with festivals as far as I can see. Otherwise generally target smaller venues over a number of cities/towns. Any major act coming from now will find it really hard to sell a 40k venue let alone be top bill on something for 80k+, with very few exceptions such as ed sheran.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,450 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    RHCP are way more of a 90s band.

    Anyway, put money on Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs headlining Slane in 2020.

    Supported by Sleaford Mods. Or vice versa. I don't bleedin' know, I'm no psychic.





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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    ****e like Ed Sheeran and Taylor Swift can sell out large venues but whether they'll be doing so in 20/30 years is another matter - it feels like there are not many acts and even fewer actual bands of the last 10 years who could sell out a stadium tour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    What current bg bands are not selling out their gigs?




    The truth is more likely " bands around since the 80s also selling out venues"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,344 ✭✭✭Littlehorny


    I think I read that Justin Bieber was the only young un to be in the top 5 biggest tours of last year, the other 4 were U2, Metallica, Madonna and Guns N Roses.
    If your relying on Biebs to be a torch bearer for the future your fooked alright, also haven't ABBA been persuaded to tour again? If this happens then then this will break records all over the shop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 BumChum


    There is that new thing with Abba...some bollockry got to do with projected images or something. Basically, the 1970's versions of each member will be going "on tour" soon (while the actual members slowly turn to dust)

    That's the future, projections of never-aging good bands.....forever!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Auld lads have been lamenting the death of music since Mozart was a child. Where there is human creativity there will always be great music.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 BumChum


    Auld lads have been lamenting the death of music since Mozart was a child. Where there is human creativity there will always be great music.

    I don't know man, I spent a year writing an original piece once.

    Turned out to be an exact copy of whacko jacko's thriller, but with different lyrics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,450 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    BumChum wrote: »
    Auld lads have been lamenting the death of music since Mozart was a child. Where there is human creativity there will always be great music.

    I don't know man, I spent a year writing an original piece once.

    Turned out to be an exact copy of whacko jacko's thriller, but with different lyrics.

    Filler?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 BumChum


    Birneybau wrote: »
    Filler?

    Nah, was a story about baking bread in Prussia, "Oh My Crumb".

    You'd reckon Vincent Price would have told me in the studio while doing his monologue about yeast.

    He needed the money I suppose.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭Filmer Paradise


    Young people now have so many other distractions.

    I was an '80s teen & Looking at Top of the Pops was a highlight of the week for myself & my peers.

    That day is long over.

    Same way with TV. 25 years ago, everyone would have watched the same program/film or whatever at the same time.

    Next day in work, everyone was on the same page.

    That's all gone now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,537 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Rock music hasn't really produced a crossover band(s) with longevity in 20 years. Stones are a 60s/70s band btw as they had most success during those decades although still successful in 80s.

    If you look at the biggest touring acts in the states this summer it's the modern country music stars such as Swift, Kenny Chesney then more easy listening stuff such as Ed Sheeran and Jay-Z/Beyoncé who are currently touring together.
    http://www.venuesnow.com/news/detail/hot-tickets-oct-4
    http://www.venuesnow.com/news/detail/hot-tickets-sept-6-2018
    http://www.venuesnow.com/news/detail/hot-tickets-aug-30

    If you look at the biggest acts there is a distinct lack of acts that young men say 15-35 age group would follow or attend in big numbers. Which is interesting because throughout the 60-90s stadium shows were filled with that particular demo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,450 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    Would be hard to find a non sold out Radiohead gig.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    engiweirdo wrote: »
    Good new bands? Where?

    All over the world


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Auld lads have been lamenting the death of music since Mozart was a child. Where there is human creativity there will always be great music.

    That's an easy argument to make, but today's popular music is extremely homogeneous and creativity is seemingly at odds with the profit making potential of what is now a much smaller industry compared to what it was over the past half century or so.

    Anyone over thirty will have experienced a time when popular music was perhaps the biggest influence over culture and will be conditioned to think in terms of that being a perpetual notion.

    Ultimately music is less important in this day and age and the industry is desperate to retain any profit they can muster from it by only bringing the most "safe" products to market, but in doing so they are making music even less interesting and in turn less important to the point where the model of artists, record labels and publishers that worked to successfully in the past will no longer function in the near future.

    I remember reading an article in Q magazine about twenty years ago about how the Internet could potentially affect the music industry and they were reasonably accurate in as much as they fore saw the death of the hitherto untouchable music retailers in favour of at that point unspecified online alternative.

    Maybe napster was the beginning of the end in a way but the Internet created a situation in which the money available to artists would never be the same as it had previously been. Bands/artists would never been given the freedom or financial backing to create things in the shape of the great experimental albums of the past that pushed music into different directions and widened the breath of what popular music could be. The Internet is no longer waiting in the long grass to ambush the music industry it is reality and demand has created a situation where nobody purchases music as if it were a precious art form but rather it is rented and is never the tangible thing it was in the past, no more carefully crafted sleeves, just a jpeg on your phone. The days of letting artists explore and experiment are no longer financially viable, artists who try different things still exist but they are no longer the concern of an industry who can ill afford to gamble on something that isn't immediately bankable.

    You can't really blame a business for wanting to make money, but these people are painting themselves into a corner and I personally long for a time when the lumbering corpse of the music industry as we know it is finally buried for good. Where popular music goes from there is anyone's guess but the business model of the twentieth century is in its death throes and its current output is akin to a death rattle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,795 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    ****e like Ed Sheeran and Taylor Swift can sell out large venues but whether they'll be doing so in 20/30 years is another matter - it feels like there are not many acts and even fewer actual bands of the last 10 years who could sell out a stadium tour.

    Taylor Swift to be fair is a great song writer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 486 ✭✭EricPraline


    guylikeme wrote: »
    Metallica
    Guns and roses
    Bon jovi
    U2
    Rolling stones
    RHCP

    And so forth..

    Is it the publics lack of taste in good new bands or the promotors and venue managers not taking a chance any more.

    Fast forward 20 years. Who of today's era could headline Slane. It's frightening.

    OTOH with a bit of luck the planet will be mince meat by then
    Rolling Stones an 80s band? That's a stretch! Metallica and RHCP's biggest selling albums were also early 90s.

    And Ed Sheeran is also apparently the most reliable Irish venue filler.

    https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2017/0708/888705-those-ed-sheeran-tickets-are-moving-fast/

    That said, it is hard to imagine what the equivalent Slane gig would be in 15 years time.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,450 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    I'm not going to quote NullZero's great post but, thanks to the internet and internet radio, I pretty much give a new alternative/rock band a go, pretty much every day of the week and have found some incredible gems.

    Edited to add, I'll try to buy physical release of any small band I've discovered even if it's only available on tape (twice last week, thankfully with download codes). Leave the Planet and Echo Girls be their names.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,999 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    It's common to charge a lot more for tickets than in the 80s or 90s. Young people are less likely to afford them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,234 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    guylikeme wrote: »
    Fast forward 20 years. Who of today's era could headline Slane. It's frightening.

    Coldplay.
    The Killers.
    Kodaline


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,450 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    guylikeme wrote: »
    Fast forward 20 years. Who of today's era could headline Slane. It's frightening.

    Coldplay.
    The Killers.
    Kodaline

    Well exactly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭colmufc


    Coldplay.
    The Killers.
    Kodaline

    Kodaline
    Are you kidding me ,not a chance


  • Posts: 4,824 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    guylikeme wrote: »

    Fast forward 20 years. Who of today's era could headline Slane. It's frightening.

    Depends how far back you're willing to go to define "today's era". But if you're talking about artists that have emerged since the turn of the century then I'd say Arctic Monkeys and Arcade Fire could both headline Slane. And, like it or not, Coldplay would also be up there, as would Beyoncé and Lady Gaga.

    Depending on how he gets on with the "difficult second album" and thereafter, Hozier could well be a future headliner; the Irish connection obviously helps but he certainly has talent, and hopefully the potential to build on what he's done already and take himself to an even higher level.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 593 ✭✭✭engiweirdo


    Coldplay.
    The Killers.
    Kodaline

    Pffft. Ladyboys the lot of em. And not even the right way(New York Dolls). It's all so....safe and basic and middle class. No wonder the black lads pretty much took over with hip hop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    It's the genre more than anything. Pop doesn't have the mass appeal to fill a venue like Slane or Croke Park. And the fan base is young, as a parent not shelling out 100+ Euro to take my kid to see some rubbish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,310 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    It's common to charge a lot more for tickets than in the 80s or 90s. Young people are less likely to afford them.

    This. When I was 16 I could afford to pay for two tickets myself for Oasis in Pairc Ui Caoimh.

    What 16 year old can pay over 100 euro a ticket for a gig today?

    Today people can download 100s of songs in a day and listen to less than 10% compared to the early 90's listening to Dave Fanning waiting for your favorite band to come on the radio and hit the record button on the tape deck.

    Tony Fenton always pxxxed me off big time with this as he insisted on being a jockey and talking over the intro music of EVERY song! :mad:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    back in the 80's a concert ticket was a little more than the price of a LP. croke park all day with something like U2 or Simple Minds was about £12...good times

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