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Is Hosuing minister Murphy at the end of the line?

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    #32
    Topgear on Dave
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    amcalester wrote: »
    And why are they voting to reduce the LPT by 15% every year?

    I think the plan is in three stages, 1: cut taxes, 2: collect underpants, 3: houses will appear without anyone having to pay anything


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    #33
    Topgear on Dave
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    Murphy could lose his job tonight and it wont make a damn bit difference.

    The roots of the housing problems started years ago, for the past 20 years that Iv been watching they have either been rocketing upwards or dropping like stones.

    Houses needed now should heve been planned and built years ago.

    For a bit of fun here is Roisin Shortall objecting to construction of 400 apartments back in 2009. Now she's attacking the government because of insufficient housing.

    https://twitter.com/kingkane/status/1044587240586797056


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    #34
    TheRiverman
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    Turnipman wrote: »
    But what else can Sinn Fein do with their private members' time other than making a fuss about something populist? It's not as if they have anything constructive to offer, so it's all about making as much noise as possible while simultaneously trying to embarrass FF.

    The next cab off the "private members time" rank is PbP's Richard Boyd-Barrett who was on Sean O'Rourke's show earlier this morning to inform us excitedly that the leftish collective of privately educated TDs of which he is a prominent member will be (ab)using their private members time slot next week to bring a motion about homelessness. Never one to miss an opportunity to help impoverished members of An Garda Siochána to earn some badly-needed overtime, RB-B is also encouraging tens of thousands of students, "activists" and miscellaneous skangers to participate in a street protest outside Dáil Eireann while the motion is being discussed. I can hardly wait :(

    Unfortunately people still vote in great enough numbers for Sinn Fein candidates and Mr. Boyd-Barrett at election time to get them elected.


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    #35
    Hitman3000
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    TheRiverman wrote:
    Unfortunately people still vote in great enough numbers for Sinn Fein candidates and Mr. Boyd-Barrett at election time to get them elected.


    Yet none of these are in government and have no say in policy whatsoever.


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    #36
    jimmycrackcorm
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    Hitman3000 wrote:
    Byrne has an eye to the impending GE. Supporting Murphy won't guarantee her a seat. Blocking social housing on behalf of her constitutents will.

    What we really need is a minister for nimbyism. It's a totally no brainer job.


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    #37
    Hitman3000
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    jimmycrackcorm wrote:
    What we really need is a minister for nimbyism. It's a totally no brainer job.


    Lot of contenders even Leo is on record of objecting to a housing development.


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    #38
    Turnipman
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    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Yet none of these are in government and have no say in policy whatsoever.


    They may not be in national government, but they are well represented in local government and, as most intelligent posters would know, the provision of social housing is a matter for local government.


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    #39
    Hitman3000
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    Turnipman wrote:
    They may not be in national government, but they are well represented in local government and, as most intelligent posters would know, the provision of social housing is a matter for local government.


    Where the provision for same comes from central government.


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    #40
    DellyBelly
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    bluelamp wrote: »
    Only 30 of the units were to be social housing. Over 400 were to be cost rental.

    It makes me sick that she has opposed this based on a lack if infrastructure in inchicore.

    Two luas stops within a 5 minute walk, at least 5 Dublin bus routes, cycling distance of town, a Dublin bike station around the corner in kilmainham, 5 minutes to the m50 and m7, probably under a mile from heuston station, there's a Tesco, eurospar and Londis. Walking distance to the war memorial gardens and the Phoenix park. Primary schools, secondary schools, and a college of further education.

    Nearly 500 apartments with affordable rent would have been the best thing to happen to the Dublin housing market in years.

    It's not exactly an upper class area either, I don't know what she's protecting here.

    I hope this ends her career.

    I live tin the area. Up around St Michaels is rough. All social housing. Last thing the area up there needs I'd more social housing. Will become a ghetto. This area could be fantastic, this plan won't do anything for the area.


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    #41
    Klonker
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    DellyBelly wrote:
    I live tin the area. Up around St Michaels is rough. All social housing. Last thing the area up there needs I'd more social housing. Will become a ghetto. This area could be fantastic, this plan won't do anything for the area.


    That can't be true. Sure aren't we told that all people in social housing are just as civilised as the rest of us. Poor guys just can't get a job no matter how many positions they apply for.


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    #42
    jimmycrackcorm
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    DellyBelly wrote:
    I live tin the area. Up around St Michaels is rough. All social housing. Last thing the area up there needs I'd more social housing. Will become a ghetto. This area could be fantastic, this plan won't do anything for the area.


    Kick problem tenants out. That's an easier job than not building large scale social housing.


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    #43
    Topgear on Dave
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    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Where the provision for same comes from central government.

    Cant councils raise their own funds?


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    #44
    smelly sock
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    Impossible job to be fair to the lad. Most want a house for free or for nothing in return. A lot of people need to cop the fxxk on and realise thats not the way it works. Sinn fein ,People before social welfare scroungers over hard workers and the like are leeches and they boil my piss.

    Tell me this good sir......out of all of the hippies who recently took over properties in the city centre how many are paye and prsi contributers
    Fxxk all is what im betting. Yet they want prime sites and buildings in the centre of dublin that working people cant afford. Just crazy stuff.


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    #45
    The Student
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    DellyBelly wrote: »
    I live tin the area. Up around St Michaels is rough. All social housing. Last thing the area up there needs I'd more social housing. Will become a ghetto. This area could be fantastic, this plan won't do anything for the area.

    And herein lies the main issue, we need to change society's mindset, there should be consequences for the anti social behavior.

    Rather than evicting people they are just moved somewhere else, it does not address the issue it just moves it somewhere else.


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    #46
    LuckyLloyd
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    He survived.


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    #47
    uck51js9zml2yt
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    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    He survived.

    Yup. FF didn't want an election.


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    #48
    KevinCavan
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    power pants wrote: »
    He needs to go immediately. He didn’t magic enough free houses in the right areas from his ass hole to the likes of Margaret cash

    Shame, shame on you

    I’m entitled!!!!!!

    He didn’t show any innovation in dealing with the housing crisis, which is affecting middle-class couples badly, who would gladly pay €400,000 or more for a house. It’s not all about free houses you know, but let’s let him off the hook because he’s from d4 and entitled.


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    #49
    amcalester
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    Elena Nutritious Jet wrote: »
    Yup. FF didn't want an election.

    Not over housing anyway.


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    #50
    Klonker
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    The Student wrote:
    And herein lies the main issue, we need to change society's mindset, there should be consequences for the anti social behavior.

    Rather than evicting people they are just moved somewhere else, it does not address the issue it just moves it somewhere else.

    Not really disagreeing with your point but do you expect families with anti social behaviour to be just kicked out on to the street? it's never going to happen. It probably should but won't.


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    #51
    The Student
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    Klonker wrote: »
    Not really disagreeing with your point but do you expect families with anti social behaviour to be just kicked out on to the street? it's never going to happen. It probably should but won't.

    Unless there are consequences for their actions then why would they change?

    It is not just housing and anti social behavior it is society as a whole! How many times do we hear of people up in court with multiple convictions been given suspended sentences.

    If these people have been given help by society in the past and it has not worked then when do we say enough is enough!


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    #52
    Wanderer78
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    The Student wrote:
    If these people have been given help by society in the past and it has not worked then when do we say enough is enough!


    What are the most likely outcomes of this approach?


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    #53
    Sleepy
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    Klonker wrote: »
    Not really disagreeing with your point but do you expect families with anti social behaviour to be just kicked out on to the street? it's never going to happen. It probably should but won't.

    What we shoudl do is kick them out of their prime locations in Dublin, offer them housing in rural leitrim / laois / the midlands and if they don't want to accept it, leave them to their own devices. They'll find work pretty fast then.


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    #54
    Wanderer78
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    Sleepy wrote:
    What we shoudl do is kick them out of their prime locations in Dublin, offer them housing in rural leitrim / laois / the midlands and if they don't want to accept it, leave them to their own devices. They'll find work pretty fast then.


    Or will they just turn to crime?


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    #55
    The Specialist
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    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Or will they just turn to crime?

    In which case they should be hit with extremely harsh sentences (up to 10 years), especially when there are multiple previous convictions.

    In the case of minors, severe penalties should be applied to their parents SW payments - might give them a kick up the arse to sort out their little scumbag children.


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    #56
    Wanderer78
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    The Specialist wrote:
    In which case they should be hit with extremely harsh sentences (up to 10 years), especially when there are multiple previous convictions.


    Does this truly solve the underlining issues and root causes, or just move the issues elsewhere, and maybe it's a good idea we actually try prevent criminality from occurring in the first place, as all criminal acts creates victims of crime?


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    #57
    The Specialist
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    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Does this truly solve the underlining issues and root causes, or just move the issues elsewhere, and maybe it's a good idea we actually try prevent criminality from occurring in the first place, as all criminal acts creates victims of crime?

    Scumbags gonna scumbag - you can try to prevent criminality by being as generous as you want with SW payments, it won't make a difference to scum who want to cause trouble. So to solve that - you hit them with severe consequences for their actions, and also those in their immediate family by proxy. Might make them think twice in future before acting the bollix.


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    #58
    Sleepy
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    Deductions from parents social welfare for failure to attend school or bonuses for successful completion of state examinations would be a good carrot / stick approach imo.


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    #59
    optogirl
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    I feel so sad reading all the comments about how the only people concerned about the housing situation in Ireland are crusty leftie whingebags who want a free house. How many of those people actually exist? Do you really think that only those people attended the protest? What about people who have worked their entire adult life and live under the stress of spiralling rent and have no hope of ever affording a house? The housing crisis is not just about those who are actually without a roof although the rise in that population is terrifying - most of whom are coming from the private rental sector. It's about the fact that it is becoming less and less possible for ANYONE to afford to live here. And you can say 'move to Leitrim' all you like but with the best will in the world, it is not always possible for people to just pick up and leave a city/town where their family, jobs, schools and myriad other factors come into play. It should not be beyond the realms of reason that we can work AND live in our own home towns and cities. I await the **lol, Optogirl wants the government to GIVE her a house in her preferred postcode** comments.


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    #60
    Wanderer78
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    The Specialist wrote:
    Scumbags gonna scumbag - you can try to prevent criminality by being as generous as you want with SW payments, it won't make a difference to scum who want to cause trouble. So to solve that - you hit them with severe consequences for their actions, and also those in their immediate family by proxy. Might make them think twice in future before acting the bollix.

    I'd highly recommend talking to folks that have served time, and people that have worked with them, you may start to realise commonalities in their behaviours, common issues growing up, particularly in education etc, it's also important to realise, some folks show little or no response to rehabilitative methods, one ex employee explaining to me that such people are unrehabilatative.


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    #61
    optogirl
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    Sleepy wrote: »
    Deductions from parents social welfare for failure to attend school or bonuses for successful completion of state examinations would be a good carrot / stick approach imo.

    so if your kids aren't clever, tough shi*?


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