Clare GAA discussion thread

funnyname · 18-09-2018 11:15PM

Maybe you'd chance togging out yourself?

Gaatalk wrote: »

Also the barretts from Newmarket and Barry Duggan Cratloe and Damien Browne Cratloe could or should have been called or invited onto panel to see if they could tighten up the defence unit for Clare. Could not be much worse than present.

Gaatalk · 18-09-2018 11:33PM

funnyname wrote: »

Maybe you'd chance togging out yourself?

Ah well funnyname you see its that smart talk is all one gets when no answers! to all the backs I mentioned that could or should have been in the clare hurling panel in the past and going forward. Now I have answered the question of the names of backs that could strengthen the clare defence. Now its late I am tired there are many more I havent named out there if were selected too.Good night sleep sleep

Henno30 · 19-09-2018 09:11AM

Gaatalk wrote: »

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What about the 2009 first all ireland winnning u21 captain Ciaran Doherty he was one of the best defenders Clare has seen since the 90's!

No disrespect to Ciaran O'Doherty but his own family wouldn't make that claim.

BloodyBill · 19-09-2018 09:39AM

To be honest guys the standard of club hurling is not great this year. I would say Na Piarsaigh and Kilmallock are a step up on what we have in Clare.
As a great admirer of Sixmilebridge and their professional approach to preparing underage teams and having their senior team always competitive oi commend them. However the team.they have at the moment aren't a patch on the skillfull machine of the mid 90s. So Id be concerned if they finish top again in Clare. Talk to Bridge people and they don't rate their current team. They say 'we won't keep it pucked out to Na Piarsaigh". Ballyea haven't the 15 good hurlers needed. They have a few that wouldn't get on the Bridge intermediate team. I'd rate Cratloe and no one else right now to challenge

Gael85 · 19-09-2018 09:43AM

Henno30 wrote: »

No disrespect to Ciaran O'Doherty but his own family wouldn't make that claim.

GAAmatter is on the wind up. He naming defenders that played 10 years.

square ball · 19-09-2018 11:09AM

Gael85 wrote: »

GAAmatter is on the wind up. He naming defenders that played 10 years.

I doubt he is even from Clare. Only naming lads that had played on intercounty teams. Barry Duggan and Gary Brennan to shore up the backline. Christ on a bike!

Gael85 · 19-09-2018 12:15PM

square ball wrote: »

I doubt he is even from Clare. Only naming lads that had played on intercounty teams. Barry Duggan and Gary Brennan to shore up the backline. Christ on a bike!

Surprised he left out Bernard Gaffney

Gaatalk · 19-09-2018 02:03PM

Gael85 wrote: »

Surprised he left out Bernard Gaffney

Ah u know Bernard Gaffney was a good hurler and ended up playing interccounty hurling with another county after! So now thats the fact. Id have given him a go that time for sure.

Gaatalk · 19-09-2018 02:12PM

square ball wrote: »

I doubt he is even from Clare. Only naming lads that had played on intercounty teams. Barry Duggan and Gary Brennan to shore up the backline. Christ on a bike!

Hey Gary Brennan didnt play for Clare Senior Hurlers before so hasnt played on the intercounty hurling team. You are arrogantly wrong! Fact. Gary Brennan is strong, has the height and the strength and has a fair bit of hurling skill as shown in 2016 with Ballyeas success in Munster. Lets put it this way he would be better than some of the current backs like clery would he not and have a great physical presence! Christ on a bike to quote your phrase you are deluding yourself that Brennan not worth a trial better than whats there in backline! Now Barry Duggan was is another strong man suited to defend simply defend! Now have you any lads to name as potentials for a new revamped clare defence? Proably not! ðŸ˜ðŸ˜‚

Gaatalk · 19-09-2018 02:17PM

Gael85 wrote: »

GAAmatter is on the wind up. He naming defenders that played 10 years.

Garry Brennan not 10 yrs ago still a player!
Ciaran Doherty not 10 yrs ago do your sums!
Barry Duggan not 10 yrs ago!
Rory Hayes young and only emerging!
Pat Kelly the 2013 goalie only 5 yrs ago!

Now hehe you cant do sums at all. Arrogant misfacts dont wash sir!

Hidalgo · 19-09-2018 02:20PM

BloodyBill wrote: »

To be honest guys the standard of club hurling is not great this year. I would say Na Piarsaigh and Kilmallock are a step up on what we have in Clare.
As a great admirer of Sixmilebridge and their professional approach to preparing underage teams and having their senior team always competitive oi commend them. However the team.they have at the moment aren't a patch on the skillfull machine of the mid 90s. So Id be concerned if they finish top again in Clare. Talk to Bridge people and they don't rate their current team. They say 'we won't keep it pucked out to Na Piarsaigh". Ballyea haven't the 15 good hurlers needed. They have a few that wouldn't get on the Bridge intermediate team. I'd rate Cratloe and no one else right now to challenge

In fairness, Na Piarsigh of the last few years have been above the norm when it comes to club hurling.

I would imagine the big push for the Bridge is to put back to back titles together, they've been the most consistent team in club championship in recent years but two in a row has eluded them thus far

Gaatalk · 19-09-2018 02:27PM

Henno30 wrote: »

No disrespect to Ciaran O'Doherty but his own family wouldn't make that claim.

No one asked his family to or you! But if you sat down and looked at his display in 2009 especially the u21 final and other games around then and since if you knew anything about 'real hurling' and real defences you would know what I mean and appreciate it. But it sounds you dont and thats the issue. Shur he would be a great defender a natural one much better than clery and his likes in the current defence.A junior team would have defended better than Clare did this year in the two most important games they lost to Cork (collapsed in 2nd half) and against Galway both days v Galway at the start. Can you imagine Lohan and co looking at how comically Galway tore the Clare defence in two halfs in the first 25 minutes v Galway and how easily Cork woke up and tore the Clare defence in shreds after Cork scoring their first goal and how Clare were away ahead coming upto halftime but collapsed then in the defence.

Gaatalk · 19-09-2018 02:37PM

Hidalgo wrote: »

In fairness, Na Piarsigh of the last few years have been above the norm when it comes to club hurling.

I would imagine the big push for the Bridge is to put back to back titles together, they've been the most consistent team in club championship in recent years but two in a row has eluded them thus far

I agree and believe that the Bridge people dont really rate that Bridge team compared to the good teams in the 90s. Winning two in a row if they did is no defence t say they are good, its more a reflection of how poor the club championship maybe in clare has become. Like the bridge got an unmerciful hiding from na piarsaigh in the munster final in ENNIS in 2013 the year Clare won the all ireland. That was a low day! Now they are a great club but I agree the current team and management are very overrated. The same management has been in place for a long time with no showup for Munster titles like the 90s indeed Ballyea won one but the Bridge not able to the current team.
So winning clare but flopping then is no good as clare club ambassadors! And by the way its a cop out excuse to say Piarsaigh were exceptionally good shur they didnt win the all ireland this year did they the Dublin champions clipped their wings in the replay so they not as good as people try build them up to be!

Gaatalk · 19-09-2018 02:42PM

BloodyBill wrote: »

To be honest guys the standard of club hurling is not great this year. I would say Na Piarsaigh and Kilmallock are a step up on what we have in Clare.
As a great admirer of Sixmilebridge and their professional approach to preparing underage teams and having their senior team always competitive oi commend them. However the team.they have at the moment aren't a patch on the skillfull machine of the mid 90s. So Id be concerned if they finish top again in Clare. Talk to Bridge people and they don't rate their current team. They say 'we won't keep it pucked out to Na Piarsaigh". Ballyea haven't the 15 good hurlers needed. They have a few that wouldn't get on the Bridge intermediate team. I'd rate Cratloe and no one else right now to challenge

I agree with you the bridge are overrated and not a patch of the good teams they once had ie the 90s early noughties. Winning two in a row means nothing really when the standard is bad.
Got hammered in the 2013 munster final in Ennis they let clare people down and the great tradition that club had upto that. They havent improved since one bit even if dominating the clare champuonship. The management are deluded too and around too long and they seem to never know when they are truly hammered in munster games.

square ball · 19-09-2018 04:07PM

Gaatalk wrote: »

Hey Gary Brennan didnt play for Clare Senior Hurlers before so hasnt played on the intercounty hurling team. You are arrogantly wrong! Fact. Gary Brennan is strong, has the height and the strength and has a fair bit of hurling skill as shown in 2016 with Ballyeas success in Munster. Lets put it this way he would be better than some of the current backs like clery would he not and have a great physical presence! Christ on a bike to quote your phrase you are deluding yourself that Brennan not worth a trial better than whats there in backline! Now Barry Duggan was is another strong man suited to defend simply defend! Now have you any lads to name as potentials for a new revamped clare defence? Proably not! ðŸ˜ðŸ˜‚

He's played football though so that's probably where you have heard of him. If he was good enough to play for Clare in hurling he wouldn't be a back anyway. I'm not sure if Barry Duggan is still getting a game at club level and he certainly would not have the pace for county. He probably never did.

I'd like to see Eoin Quirke, Oisin o Brien & Gudgie back involved. Rory Hayes obviously, Jason McCarthy and Diarmuid Ryan all given some game time this year. Ross Hayes as well might be one for the future. I'd say Mungovan and McMahon from the minors this year will be there or there abouts in a couple of years. Very raw but a bit more aggressive than what we have down the middle at the moment.

Out of that 9 if 2 or 3 came through we would be lucky but no point trying lads that couldn't make it when they had their chance.

Clareman · 19-09-2018 08:22PM

BloodyBill wrote: »

To be honest guys the standard of club hurling is not great this year. I would say Na Piarsaigh and Kilmallock are a step up on what we have in Clare.
As a great admirer of Sixmilebridge and their professional approach to preparing underage teams and having their senior team always competitive oi commend them. However the team.they have at the moment aren't a patch on the skillfull machine of the mid 90s. So Id be concerned if they finish top again in Clare. Talk to Bridge people and they don't rate their current team. They say 'we won't keep it pucked out to Na Piarsaigh". Ballyea haven't the 15 good hurlers needed. They have a few that wouldn't get on the Bridge intermediate team. I'd rate Cratloe and no one else right now to challenge

I prefer the Clare championship to the Limerick 1, there's no clear "strong" team like there is in Limerick, of the 8 teams that are still in it any can win it, I don't think you could say that about many other county championships.

The 1 thing that is clear to me is there is a massive gap between the inter-county players and the rest I don't think I've seen or heard of a player than could be brought up to senior that has already been there.

Figerty · 19-09-2018 10:03PM

Clareman wrote: »

I prefer the Clare championship to the Limerick 1, there's no clear "strong" team like there is in Limerick, of the 8 teams that are still in it any can win it, I don't think you could say that about many other county championships.

The 1 thing that is clear to me is there is a massive gap between the inter-county players and the rest I don't think I've seen or heard of a player than could be brought up to senior that has already been there.

I hear that the Q-finals in the park are going to be on TG4 at the weekend. Check the TG4 schedule.

Clareman · 19-09-2018 10:26PM

Figerty wrote: »

I hear that the Q-finals in the park are going to be on TG4 at the weekend. Check the TG4 schedule.

2 of them are being shown

12:45PM
GAA Beo
SERIES 18, EPISODE 1
Live coverage of two quarter finals in the Clare Hurling Championship; Kilmaley v Éire Óg and Ballyea v Inagh-Kilnamona. Deferred coverage of the Waterford Hurling Semi-Final between Ballygunner and Passage

washman3 · 19-09-2018 10:27PM

Figerty wrote: »

I hear that the Q-finals in the park are going to be on TG4 at the weekend. Check the TG4 schedule.

Correct, according to the latest schedule anyway. Both games live followed by deferred coverage of Waterford semi-final, Ballygunnar V Passage.

Gael85 · 20-09-2018 08:53AM

Great to see Colm Collins staying on. Will be a tough league campaign next year.

https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/290557

Clareman · 20-09-2018 10:28AM

Brilliant news, be great to see them retain division 2 status and make the super 8s next year.

Hidalgo · 20-09-2018 10:53AM

Clareman wrote: »

The 1 thing that is clear to me is there is a massive gap between the inter-county players and the rest I don't think I've seen or heard of a player than could be brought up to senior that has already been there.

This.
Standing out in club hurling should give a lad a shot at the county squad, but just because he's a very good club hurler doesn't mean he'll be able for the step up.
If you only have 1 or 2 extra seconds in the ball that can make a massive difference, it's alot harder get that space and time in inter county. Often the lads that are able to play with time at the highest level do so because their serious players.
Also, at club level you can still shine with one or two weaknesses in your game, be it lacking a bit of pace, strength etc. These deficiencies get shown up pretty quickly at the top level

Clareman · 20-09-2018 12:56PM

Hidalgo wrote: »

This.
Standing out in club hurling should give a lad a shot at the county squad, but just because he's a very good club hurler doesn't mean he'll be able for the step up.
If you only have 1 or 2 extra seconds in the ball that can make a massive difference, it's alot harder get that space and time in inter county. Often the lads that are able to play with time at the highest level do so because their serious players.
Also, at club level you can still shine with one or two weaknesses in your game, be it lacking a bit of pace, strength etc. These deficiencies get shown up pretty quickly at the top level

There's been plenty of good club hurlers who never made it at county level, but they'd always stand out at club level and be given a chance either by being called up to training or given a run in the league, as I said I haven't heard of anyone who'd be worth a shot from this years championship. At this stage if you weren't a good under 21 4/5 years ago you aren't going to be a senior now.

Figerty · 20-09-2018 01:09PM

Clareman wrote: »

There's been plenty of good club hurlers who never made it at county level, but they'd always stand out at club level and be given a chance either by being called up to training or given a run in the league, as I said I haven't heard of anyone who'd be worth a shot from this years championship. At this stage if you weren't a good under 21 4/5 years ago you aren't going to be a senior now.

There have been a few who never played minor of county. I think one of the Monaghan footballers.
Sean Og O'Halpin was a late starter.
You never know. Fitzgibbon cup has thrown up a few like Seamus Harnady and allowed them to progress.

Gaatalk · 20-09-2018 10:18PM

Gael85 wrote: »

Great to see Colm Collins staying on. Will be a tough league campaign

It is great for sure and for consistency this will be Clares 3rd season next year in Division 2 so they should if good enough be pushing for promotion to Division 1 and more so that than getting into the Super8. You know ud nearly want to be back in Division 1 playing top quality sides before dreaming of been in the super 8 where the teams will even be fitter and faster as the championship in summer. The one thing is I think Collins has performed admirably by getting Clare up from Div 4 to Div 3 to Div 2 in that time. They were stuck in Div 4 for years before that and were very unsettled and ill disciplined. I think Colm Collins has achieved greatly with a team punching above its weight. Clare in the last two seasons in Div 2 should have held out and won by a good margin in one or two opening games and didnt instead drawing the games. Not sure if that was over confidence or inexperience though cant always use inexperience as an excuse when you are in contention and then struggle t not loose. I also believe too that in all that time Clare still fear or respect the kerry Senior Jersey so much even a Kerry team in transition! Like twice in Ennis could not beat Kerry when it was there to be won! Then this year in Killarney some were even predicting a Clare win even before the game was played and yet Clare were beaten out the gate!
So the question to be asked despite the fact that Clare are a Div 2 team and Kerry are a transition team and despite the fact that Cork are woeful poor why are Clare not the main rivals for Kerry at this point in time? They should be but are not. It was done in 92 on a once off this team doesnt believe it can beat kerry at all! Yet beat just them more or less and ud have one maybe two munster championships! Dam easier to win a munster football championship as only Kerry are any good in the hurling there is 4 or 5 teams in any good given year! So thats the biggest challenge facing Collins will he be gone some year and Clare wont yet have beaten Kerry under his watch. They need to get an expert in to drill it into them that Kerry needs to be taken down in the South! Like Cork beat Kerry in the past when they had good teams. But Clare and Tipperary are letting Cork and Munster down by not filling Corks shoes!

Gaatalk · 20-09-2018 10:22PM

Gael85 wrote: »

Great to see Colm Collins staying on. Will be a tough campaign next year.

It is great for sure and for consistency this will be Clares 3rd season next year in Division 2 so they should if good enough be pushing for promotion to Division 1 and more so that than getting into the Super8. You know ud nearly want to be back in Division 1 playing top quality sides before dreaming of been in the super 8 where the teams will even be fitter and faster as the championship in summer. The one thing is I think Collins has performed admirably by getting Clare up from Div 4 to Div 3 to Div 2 in that time. They were stuck in Div 4 for years before that and were very unsettled and ill disciplined. I think Colm Collins has achieved greatly with a team punching above its weight. Clare in the last two seasons in Div 2 should have held out and won by a good margin in one or two opening games and didnt instead drawing the games. Not sure if that was over confidence or inexperience though cant always use inexperience as an excuse when you are in contention and then struggle t not loose. I also believe too that in all that time Clare still fear or respect the kerry Senior Jersey so much even a Kerry team in transition! Like twice in Ennis could not beat Kerry when it was there to be won! Then this year in Killarney some were even predicting a Clare win even before the game was played and yet Clare were beaten out the gate!
So the question to be asked despite the fact that Clare are a Div 2 team and Kerry are a transition team and despite the fact that Cork are woeful poor why are Clare not the main rivals for Kerry at this point in time? They should be but are not. It was done in 92 on a once off this team doesnt believe it can beat kerry at all! Yet beat just them more or less and ud have one maybe two munster championships! Dam easier to win a munster football championship as only Kerry are any good in the hurling there is 4 or 5 teams in any good given year! So thats the biggest challenge facing Collins will he be gone some year and Clare wont yet have beaten Kerry under his watch. They need to get an expert in to drill it into them that Kerry needs to be taken down in the South! Like Cork beat Kerry in the past when they had good teams. But Clare and Tipperary are letting Cork and Munster down by not filling Corks shoes!

Gaatalk · 20-09-2018 10:32PM

How is it we cant get the Clare lads to believe and be better than Kerry at least an odd year. Imagine this year if Clare were better than Kerry or the years they met Kerry in Ennis if Clare had seen them games out then there was 1 to 3 Munster titles coming their way maybe given how poor Cork are etc. Maybe Tipp might have been in the running too but Clare have respected Kerry and been not just good enough every time to hold out and beat them. Its no good saying the current Kerry team are great they are not and not the finished article yet Clare witg more household nanes cant beat them any year. This year say when Clare hurlers kinda got near nearly the all ireland final where might have reclaimed Liam but didnt, would the great hot summer have been lit up if the footballers could for a turn put a smile on clare fans faces and the hurlers faces! Its time Clare won a big title and cant say are not experienced or mature enough they are and under Collins a good while and a Division 2 team! Clare hurlers have defence problems and Clare footballers fear Kerry. Both diseases needs to be cured and not let fester from year to year season to season! People in Clare are quick to praise but slow to criticise and call it directly as it is!

Sterling Archer · 21-09-2018 12:09AM

^3 posts again, seriously..

Anyway great to see the double header on Sunday will be on TG4, lets hope the weather holds out and gives a half decent day

Gaatalk · 21-09-2018 11:11AM

Shane_ef wrote: »

^3 posts again, seriously..

Anyway great to see the double header on Sunday will be on TG4, lets hope the weather holds out and gives a half decent day

Ah its a bit too soon at quarterfinals stage imo to be on television live. Yep 3 posts again but 3 different ones. Whats picking you! Hehe. Is there a quota on how many posts can put up hehe.

Ps You got your days wrong just so you have the facts right the games you referred to are on tomorrow Saturday and NOT Sunday as you announced! Have a nice day.

LuckyGent88 · 21-09-2018 01:26PM

Gaatalk wrote: »

Ah its a bit too soon at quarterfinals stage imo to be on television live. Yep 3 posts again but 3 different ones. Whats picking you! Hehe. Is there a quota on how many posts can put up hehe.

Ps You got your days wrong just so you have the facts right the games you referred to are on tomorrow Saturday and NOT Sunday as you announced! Have a nice day.

You really are a numpty. The two matches that are on TG4 are on Sunday. Bridge and cratloe and clooney/mills is tomorrow Saturday.

Just showing your actual lack of Clare hurling knowledge once again.

Ps: I’m still waiting for you to identify some new defenders for the panel. As pointed out, the lads you listed WERE fine servants to Clare hurling but are past inter county standards now.

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