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Cool runnings

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    Looks like you have a good block of training behind you


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    RayCun wrote: »
    Looks like you have a good block of training behind you


    Yeah. Quietly hopeful is as far as I'll go, though. Different approach, which hopefully will pay off.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    13th onwards

    Yada yada yada. You don't care. I definitely don't care. Let's cut to the chase, shall we?


    16TH SEPTEMBER

    BERLIN MARATHON 2018

    Passing the line I am astounded by how tired and sore I feel. The Brandenburg Gate is dead ahead. What is going on? I make a turn on Unter den Linden and enter a warren of anonymous city centre streets. Barely started and I find myself distracted by a sign that says BEER STOP. Would this be real beer? My curiosity wins out. IT IS REAL BEER. Only half of a small plastic cup, but still. I’m confounded by my physical condition meanwhile. But could it be a good sign? If I feel this bad now, how can it get worse? It might just as well get better. Press on then. But why are my hips, glutes and hamstrings so tight and sore? My mile times are ridiculously slow. 11 minutes? What the hell is going on? Just keep going. What else is there to do?

    Miles pass. They are either ludicrously slow, or just slow. This could be the biggest negative split ever: or else I just won’t finish. Not as in DNF, but just endlessly slowing, and never arriving, like Zeno’s Paradox. At mile 18 I enter a portaloo I do not need and observe a trickle of wee the colour of Ribena. Is it too early - or late - for that level of dehydration? Then as I laboriously approach the halfway point I conclude a succession of brief stops which exclusively feature me: stretching my hammers, and not: just walking, exhausted. Because I’m not exhausted, am I? No, there’s just something wrong with my legs. I’m barely breathing, but my body just won’t do what it’s told.

    Ok, here’s halfway now, surely there’s some good news on the other side. And there, like magic! A water bottle flies up and into my hand. Just what I need. I spit a mixture of water, salts, magnesium etc into it and soon there’s a hint of lightness in the legs. If I repeat this every mile, who knows how this will go? I check the watch. Holy Mother Pearl, I’m back running sub-8 minute miles. HELLO, SPORTS FANS. Can I keep this going? Freshness seems to be pouring into my legs. My breathing is relaxing, the aches in my legs are gone. Suddenly, with 6 miles to go, I’m fizzing along at 3:15 pace. If only I could have begun like this! And now what? Another change of gear sees me hitting 3:10 pace. Not long to go now. This has been a rollercoaster.

    Although, to be fair, everything has been just about perfect: even the weather played ball, starting at 20℃, but diving down to about 15℃ at this point. I’m getting stronger and stronger. I don’t know if I’ve ever run like this before. Berlin’s interminable straight streets have finally given way to the park, and now the Victory statue is looming. Can’t believe how fluently I’m running - it’s like I just started. Round the golden lady and it’s a ruler-straight rush to the conclusion. But the crowds! Godammit, all of a sudden there’s fecking thousands of runners around me. How did that happen? At the beginning it was absolutely fine, but it’s just gotten more and more congested as we’ve gone on. Anyway, who cares. I can see the Brandenburg Gate. We don’t run through it this time, but that’s fine. I’m positively humming along now, must be close to 7 minute pace. Oh, I’m crossing the line! Looks like I’ve run 3:40 or so. Fantastic, considering my pace early on. I discover a disconcertingly heavy medal around my neck. Has that been there all along? Blimmin’ heck. I hand it off to an obliging volunteer, then find a discarded running top by the side of the road. Funny, it looks like one of mine. I put it on, then decide to go back to my hotel and go to sleep. It’s really very bloody early.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    That sounds rough Dave, were you just dehydrated or have you come to any conclusion about it? Hope you have recovered since.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    17th-23rd

    No running.

    Monday 24th

    Back-on-the-horse run. A little too quick, because I'm full of righteous indignation following last week's events. So I'm probably trying to make a point: but I do feel kinda fresh.

    7.13@8.14

    HR 135/150

    Tuesday 25th

    Club group run. We've become fragmented of late, so this is an initiative aimed at reversing that: a monthly session for all club members. A hill session was a bit of a novelty after all the flat Berlin training, but I was quite pleased that I stayed the course: 6 reps on the climb near the monument in Tymon, where the M50 meets the bypass. The marathon fallout is quite evident in the HR stats. Even if I do still feel sorta fresh.

    5.2@8.39

    HR 128/174

    Wednesday 26th

    Very easy short run.

    4.17@9.29

    HR 113

    Thursday 27th

    No running

    Friday 28th

    Feeling fresh again. Did I mention I've been feeling strangely fresh all week? But I'm not contemplating anything silly, like running Dublin. No no no.

    8.11@8.20

    HR 128/140

    Saturday 29th

    Long(ish) run. Can feel the fatigue after about 8 miles. Been this way all week, in fact. Initially bouncy, but an underlying weariness that sets in after a while. At the very end get caught at traffic lights in Tallaght village, and run the last half-mile quite hard to catch my companions. It feels rough. Still recovering, then. Contemplating doing something silly, though: like running Dublin.


    12.15@8.42

    HR 127/153

    Sunday 30th

    No running.


    Week's mileage 38


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    OOnegative wrote: »
    That sounds rough Dave, were you just dehydrated or have you come to any conclusion about it? Hope you have recovered since.

    Yeah, feeling grand, thanks. Not sure about the dehydration: had been making a conscious effort to make sure it wasn't an issue, but the day before the race was a bit fraught with travel and all that, so ended up hardly drinking anything until mid-afternoon, then necking a litre or two of water in the evening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,415 ✭✭✭Singer


    Running Dublin sounds perfectly reasonable after a non-marathon marathon! Just don't do the same thing again :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,789 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    And whatever you do don't start in Merrion Square. ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Murph_D wrote: »
    And whatever you do don't start in Merrion Square. ;)

    Well, I'm glad someone noticed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Monday 1st October

    Easy run.

    7.00@8.40

    HR 123/143

    Tuesday 2nd

    Went with the lads doing a 5 mile tempo. Probably too soon, but the lure of the crowd is hard to resist. As it turned out it was just me and one other at a similar pace. Had to dig in a bit later on.

    7.02, 7.03, 7.11, 7.26, 7.08

    HR 142/163

    Wednesday 3rd

    Very easy run.

    5.11@9.22

    HR 116/130

    Thursday 4th

    Easy run.

    6.04@8.35

    HR 125/140

    Friday 5th

    No running

    Saturday 6th

    Long run.

    15.01@8.32

    HR 130 /148

    Sunday 7th

    No running.

    Week's mileage 41


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    DCM?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    OOnegative wrote: »
    DCM?


    Could be...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Monday 8th

    Easy short run.

    4.01@8.42

    HR 123/141

    Tuesday 9th

    Session. 7x800m @6.40 pace, with 90 secs jog recovery. Had completed 4 of these and was blowing quite hard, then suffered stomach-ache and had to go off to the bushes. Finished them out after, but noted the effect of the effort. Hopefully I can adjust for Friday's session. Had a slight cold the other week, which left me with a scratchy cough and a phlegmy throat in the mornings. Been mulling over the notion of seeing the doctor re: possible hydration issues in Berlin, my haemoglobin count of 11.2 at the blood bank (donation refused - minimum level required 13.5), and this annoying cough. Eventually decided I knew myself well enough that a course of Pharmaton would correct the iron issue, and the cough would come down to a question of: antibiotics, or nothing, and let it take its course. Anti-b's will have a weakening effect, so I'll let it sort itself out. Nearly 3 weeks still to go, after all.

    6.35, 6.23, 6.37, 6.34, 6.39, 6.20

    HR 141/163

    Wednesday 10th

    Very easy run.

    7.01@9.09

    HR 115/134

    Thursday 11th

    No running

    Friday 12th

    Session. 3,2,1 miles @7.10 per mile. 3 minute jog recoveries. DBL as per usual. Quite a nasty headwind on the very slightly uphill side. Hit my straps overall, but the 2 mile section was just a little slow. Didn't feel as though I was slowing down, so I put it down to just ordinary tiredness stemming from the increased demands this week.

    7.00, 7.05, 7.09
    7.17, 7.19
    6.55

    Recoveries @9.00

    HR 140/164

    Saturday 13th

    Easy run. Met up with club long run group doing 18.

    7.01@8.24

    HR 134/149

    Sunday 14th

    14 mile run. Decided on the waterworks/duck loop, for a bit of much-needed elevation, after all the flat Berlin training. Feeling good. Roll on the 2nd taper of the year!

    14.01@8.06

    HR 137/155

    Week's mileage 51


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Monday 15th

    No running

    Tuesday 16th

    Short easy.

    5.02@8.49

    Wednesday 17th

    Short easy.

    5.06@8.30

    Thursday 18th

    Easy run.

    6.23@8.44

    Friday 19th

    Session. 3, 2, 1 kms @7.10, 6.55, 6.40 - 3, 2, 1 mins rec.

    7.04, 6.48, 6.36

    HR 139/157

    Saturday 20th

    Easy run.

    5.01@8.40

    Sunday 21st

    10 mile run. First 5 miles @7.40 downhill and downwind. Second 5 @8.00 back the other way. No great effort put in at any stage. Hopefully a good sign.

    10.07@7.50

    HR 140/159


    Week's mileage 38


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    October-present

    A brief update. DCM didn't go particularly well in the end; very much the same as Berlin, in fact, including the time of 3:41.

    After that there wasn't much motivation to do anything really, and in the end I decided not to take on any more races or do any sessions before Christmas. I've been lucky enough to have many years of virtually injury-free running, but a corollary effect seemed to have been that I had gotten a bit stale, or overworked, or something. In any case I felt that I needed a break, a re-set, something that might restore me to factory settings, as it were. So I determined to chug along until the new year, then put some changes into effect and try and crank things back up again.

    All was well, until the 17th December, nearly a month ago now! I was finishing out an easy 5 miler when a pain struck on the inside of my right knee. It wasn't so bad, and I kept running, but then it just got suddenly worse. I had to stop and walk back to the house.

    A visit to the muscular therapist, and we had a tentative diagnosis of an MCL problem. Not a tear, but inflammation or, something. The prognosis was hopeful - couple of days out, maybe more, take it easy meantime. I should feel some relief, and could expect significant improvement in a day or two.

    Back home, though, and that's not how it felt. It seemed to have swollen back up again straight after the treatment. Therapist recommended an MRI, so a visit to the doctor ensued. After that a trip to Affidea for the scan. Never realised those bloody things were so loud.

    A week later, back to the doctor, for the bad news. A Baker's cyst, probably leaking/ruptured. An old fracture somewhere. Major cartilage degeneration resulting in bone-on-bone. At least one, probably 2, tears in the meniscus. And on and on. I was asked how the hell I had managed any running in the first place. The words 'cycling' and 'swimming' were mentioned.

    So, now I'm waiting to hear back about an appointment with an orthopaedic specialist. I'll need an arthoscopy (keyhole knee clean-out job) at a minimum, and I don't know if I'll get to run again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    jaysus :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    That’s $hitty news Dave, I had that keyhole meniscus job done, made a balls out of it and had to get it done again. I was informed after that rehab would have sorted me, that’s after they took my money!! Anyway what i’m trying to say is be sure you need it before getting it, just my experience on the issue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,789 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Ah no, sorry to hear this. Hope things work out - I suppose getting to see the right people is crucial. Good luck with it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Appointment on Wednesday up in Belfast.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    I was hoping that the knee expert would sound a more optimistic note, but no, he actually doubled down on it. An arthroscopy (keyhole surgery) might improve things, but it's 50/50, and even then it will only be delaying the inevitable - knee replacement. I'm done with competitive running, at a minimum. Cycling/swimming wankerdom beckons.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,415 ✭✭✭Singer


    That's not great, sorry to hear.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭Duanington


    $hite D, really sorry to hear this man. Swimming doesn't sound too bad to me. Take it easy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    Sorry to hear that Dave, you might be able to get one of those supercool IM tattoos though........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    ****
    :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭ultrapercy


    Sorry to hear that. Harder to take givenote the sudden nature of the problem. Hope you can get a gra for the bike/pool. Most people who take it up end up loving it and spending every last penny on it. Good luck anyway for what it's worth.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Thursday 14th March 2019

    An update: As I type these words, I am sitting in a hospital bed in Belfast, having undergone an arthroscopy ('keyhole' surgery) on my knee earlier. The surgeon's pre-op chat was more upbeat than at our first meeting, when he advised that it was '50-50' whether the surgery would do any good at all. It appears that the medical experts' approach is to err on the side of extreme caution in order to forestall any unrealistic expectations whatsoever, perhaps out of a fear of litigation. I don't really know.

    What I do know is that since my last post I have spoken with several people, admittedly all runners, who have given me a different perspective on the whole matter. It would seem that there are many people out there who are/were in the very same position as I. All were told that A) they'd be needing a knee-replacement, and B) that their running days were done, and that they should take up cycling, or swimming, or something of a non-impact nature. There's a guy in my club who was told that he would need a new knee within a year.

    Not only is he still running, last year he ran a race in all 32 counties and finished it off with DCM. This has obviously given me genuine hope that my running days might yet be unfinished. However, all this hinges (pun intended) on the procedure I had today resulting in a significant improvement in my knee, and it will take several weeks before I know if that's the case. The experience of others has given me genuine grounds for optimism, though, and at this stage I would be happy to be granted the ability to indulge in any kind of running.

    Time, as they say, will tell.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Wednesday 8th May

    A further update: 8 weeks on from the op, and, not much has changed, really. I finally got around to consulting with a professional regarding some sort of S&C programme, and I'm into the second week of it. I'm being asked not to run, not until I've completed most or all of a 6 week plan, involving exercises and the gym cross-trainer. The goal is to make sure that when and if I do attempt to run again, everything will be in balance, and my calves, quads, glutes and hammers will all be taking their proper share of the load.

    It's even proposed that I try to alter my running style, so that my legendary massive left-heel-strike is, well, not eliminated, but certainly reduced. The odd run I have managed here and there (one 4 miler, three one milers) have only underlined the massive fall-off in aerobic capacity. I'm running 10 minute miles, and wondering how I ever ran quicker.

    As to the joint itself, there is still quite extensive swelling around the top of the knee, and of course the Baker's cyst, which is basically untreatable, causes swelling at the back. I think I have been guilty of waiting for it to 'get better' on its own, rather than putting in work to make sure that the range of movement is restored as much as is possible. If I do nothing, it will just stay this way - stiff and swollen.

    More exciting updates as they happen!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Sunday 2nd June

    5 weeks done now, and this week I managed 6 gym sessions (stewarding at WMM today), which have expanded into a full hour or more of drills - glute bridges, crunches, planks, and other exercises specifically for strengthening the knee. I'm also hopping up and down the room on one foot at a time. The whole session is bookended by 5ks on the cross-trainer, and I'm working up a serious sweat doing it. Those lovely endorphins have reappeared, and I'm actively looking forward to the sessions. A few more weeks to do, however, and then hopefully I'll be set loose on the track for some strides.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    Delighted for you Dave, hope all goes well for you from here on in with the rehab.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Three weeks on, and while I'm still not - officially - being allowed run I am really enjoying the daily buzz of the gym regime. 5k warmup in 20-odd minutes on the cross-trainer (level 6 by the end), then the glute bridges - 30 with both feet, then 20 on each foot. 60 side crunches (30 each side) then 30 standard. Then, I don't know what it's called - slightly bent knee almost touching a flat surface (at 'knee' level), other foot on tiptoe for balance, bend over with back rounded and place hands on flat surface, straighten. The pressure is all through the balls of the standing foot. 30 on each foot. Then bunny hops. In threes, with a 'hold' on the third. Two lengths of our clubhouse hall (about 30 ft?, for those who don't know it) on each foot. Then three lengths on each foot of continuous hopping (these are suprisingly arduous). Two more lengths on each foot. 10 minutes jogging around the hall, right up on my toes: roughly a mile.

    Back into the gym for some free weights. Slight bend of the knees, then dip by sticking the bum out (I'm sure this has a name too) with a 10kg weight in each hand. Then a 3 minute plank (by far my least favourite). Some, what are they called, bicep curls? 4kg weight in each hand. Some pull-ups (new wrinkle). Then 5k on the Cross-trainer to finish. A pilates stretch thingy x3 to cleanse one's aura after. And I'm done.


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