Deirdre Jacob missing twenty years Today.

Strazdas · 19-08-2018 01:12PM

smelly sock wrote: »

Which could lead you to believe that at the entrance of her home she got into the car of someone she knew. Hardly a stranger. Otherwise she was taken in broad daylight against her will. Murphy seemed to be a bit more calculating than that.

Everything seems to suggest Deirdre was abducted off the roadside by a stranger - very similar to the Jastine Valdez abduction and murder this year.

Detectives never formed the view that someone known to her was responsible for her disappearance. She wasn't even living in Ireland at the time, she had moved to London and was home for a short break.

Beechwoodspark · 19-08-2018 01:16PM

Laois_Man wrote: »

That means he dropped Jojo to Moone, decided to turn around and go back to pick her up a second time?!? On one hand that seems implausible, on the other hand it makes sense Becs of the way she abruptly ended the phone call with her flat mate in Kilkenny saying ‘I have to go, I have a lift’ (or words to that effect). Who else in Moone would have known the girl in the phone box was looking for a lift or who else would she have recognized as someone who was there to give her one. Unless she spoke to someone else just before entering the phone box.

Nothing is as implausible tho as this tale about the father being a well connected politician causing X number of people to all work together to get him off. It’s ridiculous

LM Apparently lived nearby at the time and also drank in a local pub.

Sofi1 · 19-08-2018 03:25PM

Laois_Man wrote: »

It has never been confirmed that DJ didn’t enter the house and then leave again as far as I know?

When her mum came home that evening, the double lock was still on the front door, and she knew straight away that Deirdre hasn't returned from Newbridge earlier. She also got worried straight away, presumably as Deirdre was a conscientious type of person, and would have let her know if she was going somewhere else that day. So her parents always believed that she never got through the front door.

Sofi1 · 19-08-2018 03:36PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Everything seems to suggest Deirdre was abducted off the roadside by a stranger - very similar to the Jastine Valdez abduction and murder this year.

Detectives never formed the view that someone known to her was responsible for her disappearance. She wasn't even living in Ireland at the time, she had moved to London and was home for a short break.

Well, she would have known lots and lots of people in Newbridge. All her schooling was in Newbridge, she was involved in choirs and music groups, had a big circle of friends, and her granny owned a shop on the main street, so she would have been in there regularly since she was a child, I presume. Newbridge was a pretty "community" sort of town at the time, everyone knew everyone. It's probably a bit different now.

She'd only gone to London at the start of the college year in 1997, and was back home for the summer holidays. It's not like everyone forgot her in that time in London! But there didn't seem to be any motive for anyone she knew to abduct her. That, plus the circumstantial evidence placing LM in the area at the time, especially in the light of his conviction for rape and attempted murder, strongly suggests stranger abduction by that creature.

smelly sock · 20-08-2018 02:09AM

Shocking. I hope they get answers.

Ash.J.Williams · 20-08-2018 02:15AM

smelly sock wrote: »

https://www.aldi.ie/18v-li-ion-mini-circular-saw/p/082969210359800

Thsts how sad it is. Shocking. I hope they get answers.

Wha?

Bradlin · 20-08-2018 03:18AM

What has an ad for Aldi got to do with this?

Not helpful to the discussion.

NickD · 20-08-2018 09:13AM

This is pure speculation but reading through the thread I wonder did they find something in LM's mother's house after she died. Did he keep some trophies in there rather than his own house, that were hidden until the house was being cleared?

Based on absolutely nothing other than speculation and the timing.

wellwhynot · 20-08-2018 10:00AM

In Larry Murphy’s alleged drunken confession he said he abducted her from the roadside. He put children’s toys in the back seat of the car and a map on the passenger seat. He asked Deirdre for directions and grabbed her by the hair pulling her into the car.

AudreyHepburn · 20-08-2018 10:06AM

wellwhynot wrote: »

In Larry Murphy’s alleged drunken confession he said he abducted her from the roadside. He put children’s toys in the back seat of the car and a map on the passenger seat. He asked Deirdre for directions and grabbed her by the hair pulling her into the car.

I’ve always said her disappearance perfectly fits his MO and that there was now the Carlow woman was his frisky or only.

Bragging about it to a fellow prisoner also fits with his personality.

Laois_Man · 20-08-2018 11:40AM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I’ve always said her disappearance perfectly fits his MO and that there was now the Carlow woman was his frisky or only.

No, I have always thought it was a good bit different. With the Carlow abduction, it was planned for who knows how long in advance. He knew were she worked. He knew her car and where it was parked, he knew her business closed later on Friday nights and that the car park in question would likely be quieter than when she would be leaving earlier on other nights of the week, so he specifically targeted her on a Friday night (as I understand it)

With DJ, it felt a lot more random. Walking home from town and arriving at 3pm probably wasn't an exact routine. Having maps and toys laid out suggests he was driving around quiet country roads looking for a girl on her own which doesn't feel plausible.

Ande1975 · 20-08-2018 11:45AM

Laois_Man wrote: »

No, I have always thought it was a good bit different. With the Carlow abduction, it was planned for who knows how long in advance. He knew were she worked. He knew her car and where it was parked, he knew her business closed later on Friday nights and that the car park in question would likely be quieter than when she would be leaving earlier on other nights of the week, so he specifically targeted her on a Friday night (as I understand it)

With DJ, it felt a lot more random. Walking home from town and arriving at 3pm probably wasn't an exact routine. Having maps and toys laid out suggests he was driving around quiet country roads looking for a girl on her own which doesn't feel plausible.

Thing is though, the Deirdre Jacob presumed abduction happened 2 years before the Carlow business woman case. LM's skills were possibly honed by then. I read somewhere else on boards that it was common knowledge he had predatory tendencies where he was from.

smelly sock · 20-08-2018 12:00PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Wha?

Posted the wrong link sorry.

Laois_Man · 20-08-2018 01:10PM

Sofi1 wrote: »

When her mum came home that evening, the double lock was still on the front door, and she knew straight away that Deirdre hasn't returned from Newbridge earlier. She also got worried straight away, presumably as Deirdre was a conscientious type of person, and would have let her know if she was going somewhere else that day. So her parents always believed that she never got through the front door.

I never 'got' that and I still don't. The notion that Deirdre actually did get inside her home has been completely discounted because of nothing more than the fact that her leaving again without phoning her mum in work to tell her would have been uncharacteristic.

Strazdas · 20-08-2018 01:43PM

Laois_Man wrote: »

No, I have always thought it was a good bit different. With the Carlow abduction, it was planned for who knows how long in advance. He knew were she worked. He knew her car and where it was parked, he knew her business closed later on Friday nights and that the car park in question would likely be quieter than when she would be leaving earlier on other nights of the week, so he specifically targeted her on a Friday night (as I understand it)

With DJ, it felt a lot more random. Walking home from town and arriving at 3pm probably wasn't an exact routine. Having maps and toys laid out suggests he was driving around quiet country roads looking for a girl on her own which doesn't feel plausible.

You raise some interesting points. Deirdre's abduction sounds nearer to what happened to Jastine Valdez.....someone driving around looking for a random girl to pull into the car and then speed off with her inside.

Jastine had just stepped off a bus on a Saturday afternoon having visited a friend, so there was no way Hennessy could have planned it or knew she would be on that road.

Ande1975 · 20-08-2018 02:13PM

We know the full details of the Carlow case because thankfully there are living witnesses, the poor girl and the hunters. LM meticulously planned this, he was in full control and knew when to strike.
What I don't understand is has he been 100% confirmed to have been working in Newbridge at the time? Reports have discounted the connection with her grandmother's shop. But if say LM was working there for a week or so and it overlapped with DJ's time at home. It could add up but the sticker for me is the timing. Witnesses put her at the gate to her house. Is it a busy estate that there would have been more witnesses? It was the Tuesday before the Aug Bank Holiday, maybe around 4-5 in the afternoon? I would assumed children would have been out playing.
Where was it said that LM had maps and toys in the car? That would make sense since he had a small child (maybe not in 1998- dunno) and he travelled a lot for work and pre GPS?

**Sorry, I read back that it was apparently via LM's drunken confession how he abducted DJ with maps and toys in the car**

freshpopcorn · 20-08-2018 02:22PM

Ande1975 wrote: »

What I don't understand is has he been 100% confirmed to have been working in Newbridge at the time? Reports have discounted the connection with her grandmother's shop. But if say LM was working there for a week or so and it overlapped with DJ's time at home. It could add up but the sticker for me is the timing. Witnesses put her at the gate to her house. Is it a busy estate that there would have been more witnesses? It was the Tuesday before the Aug Bank Holiday, maybe around 4-5 in the afternoon? I would assumed children would have been out playing.
Where was it said that LM had maps and toys in the car? That would make sense since he had a small child (maybe not in 1998- dunno) and he travelled a lot for work and pre GPS?

I think there is a lot of confusion about him working in Newbridge at the time.
It started off he worked in the grandmother's shop.
Then it went onto he was working on a pub around the time.
Then her family said that he put up a flyer in the grandmother's shop years before Deirdre went missing.
From my memory of Crimecall/Crimeline she was a good walk from the town. I think it looked like standalone houses on an approach road.
Regarding the map and toys. I can across it here first and pursued it was in some newspaper.
I think everybody had a map in their car then and it would probably have being ore GPS seeing the fact that lots of cars still don't even have GPS now.

Laois_Man · 20-08-2018 02:22PM

Ande1975 wrote: »

has he been 100% confirmed to have been working in Newbridge at the time?

I believe it has been 100% confirmed that he worked in Newbridge in August/early September 1998 but he did not work there in July. However, he did visit the site before this in order to provide a quote, but nobody can verify on what date that was.

Ande1975 wrote: »

Reports have discounted the connection with her grandmother's shop. But if say LM was working there for a week or so and it overlapped with DJ's time at home. It could add up but the sticker for me is the timing. Witnesses put her at the gate to her house. Is it a busy estate that there would have been more witnesses? It was the Tuesday before the Aug Bank Holiday, maybe around 4-5 in the afternoon? I would assumed children would have been out playing.

It was not an estate. It was Barretstown Road, Roseberry, Newbridge.

Ande1975 wrote: »

Where was it said that LM had maps and toys in the car? That would make sense since he had a small child (maybe not in 1998- dunno) and he travelled a lot for work and pre GPS?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/clues-that-point-to-the-prime-suspect-in-a-20year-mystery-37229577.html

maximoose · 20-08-2018 02:27PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Then it went onto he was working on a pub around the time.

OH from Newbridge, story she always heard as a teen was that he laid the foundations of Swifts nightclub!

freshpopcorn · 20-08-2018 02:30PM

maximoose wrote: »

OH from Newbridge, story she always heard as a teen was that he laid the foundations of Swifts nightclub!

I always got the impression it was something to with wood craft because he was a carpenter.

Ande1975 · 20-08-2018 02:31PM

I used to know Newbridge well but not familiar with Barrettstown Road. I google mapped it there and yeah get a better sense of the place.
Was it a long walk from town to her house? ** Freshpopcorn answered already**
I do recall that the last sighting was of her at her gate.

freshpopcorn · 20-08-2018 02:40PM

Ande1975 wrote: »

I it there and yeah get a better sense of the place.
Was it a long walk from town to her house? ** Freshpopcorn answered already**.

I think they said it was about twenty minutes!

greenspurs · 20-08-2018 02:43PM

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/newsireland/clues-that-point-to-the-prime-suspect-in-a-20-year-mystery/ar-BBM9MU9?li=AAmb2oK&ocid=spartandhp

More accusations and evidence that are pointing to L.M

Ande1975 · 20-08-2018 02:44PM

The Independent article LAOIS MAN mentions clearly lays out the new development (s). A new credible witness showed up 5 weeks ago on top of the latest details about LM's movements during that time. DJ had a 25 min walk to her home and last seen on the grass verge across from her house. That makes sense now.

Ande1975 · 20-08-2018 02:45PM

greenspurs wrote: »

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/newsireland/clues-that-point-to-the-prime-suspect-in-a-20-year-mystery/ar-BBM9MU9?li=AAmb2oK&ocid=spartandhp

More accusations and evidence that are pointing to L.M

Same as the Independent Article. Compelling

Muahahaha · 20-08-2018 02:46PM

NickD wrote: »

This is pure speculation but reading through the thread I wonder did they find something in LM's mother's house after she died. Did he keep some trophies in there rather than his own house, that were hidden until the house was being cleared?

Based on absolutely nothing other than speculation and the timing.

The papers at the weekend said a garda source said that they have something "significant". We already know this is not her body as they are planning searching for this. So you could guess that it is something that could connect him to a murder such as clothes with DJs blood & DNA on them.

They have to have something new of great interest. My only wonder is does this mean Larry Murphy is actually in the country right now and the Gardai, knowing well the media would stoke up fear across the country, are not telling us? Thats the bit that seems strange to me- if he is abroad then this latest development gives him ample opportunity to get out of the EU and thus make extradition very difficult. Why would the Gardai give him that head start and also a good chance to never get arrested for the crime? Unless he is in the country and they are keeping tabs on him?

bb12 · 20-08-2018 03:02PM

There were a few very dodgy people around in the mid-90s. I had a scary incident in jan or feb of 1996.

A lot of women were already on high alert as it was only a few months after Jojo had gone missing. Marilyn Rynn had been murdered in Blanchardstown just that Christmas and Annie McCarrick was still fresh in people's minds so there was already talk of a serial killer on the loose in those days.

I was a student in my early 20s standing at a rural crossroads alone in north co dublin at midday waiting on a bus into the city centre to go to afternoon lectures.

A car slowed down passing by and beeped the horn indicating it was willing to give me a lift to the nearest town (common enough practice in those days). I knew my bus was only minutes away so i waved him on.
However something about the incident made me look after the car as it drove away (i wouldn't normally) when suddenly i see him do a u-turn further down the road (on a corner!) and come back my direction.

I started to get my heckles up straight away so i was already on my guard before he arrived back at the crossroads and did a u-turn in front of me so that the passenger door was right beside me. He looked like a guy in his 40s with slicked back black hair and a moustache and was wearing a camel coat. I remember thinking he looked like a respectable businessman. He had the window down and says all smilely " Do you want a lift into [nearest town]". I was like "No thanks, the bus will be here in a minute". "Go on I'll give you a lift" "No thanks the bus will be here in a minute"

Then he started to get very aggressive very quickly "Get in the car!". "GET IN THE CAR!". I started to realise I might be in a bit of trouble here, so became very aware of my surroundings to scout best escape route if he started to hop out of the vehicle.
As he was still shouting at me to get in the car, I was backing away when I see him look in his rear view mirror and he shouts "F*ck you then" and speeds away(I remember the wheels tearing into the gravel on the road) .

I looked down the road to where he was looking and was so relieved to see another young guy walking up to get the same bus as me. I'd seen him a few times at the bus stop but never spoken to him and I never even told him that day how I think he saved me from a potentially sinister situation. I was a tough cookie but i was obviously shaken up cos i remember being in a bit of shock when I got into college that afternoon and was relaying the story to my friends.

I still remember to this day what the guy looked like but I wasn't wearing my glasses so I never got a car reg and at the time I thought it was pointless ringing the guards as I didn't even know the make or model of the car just that it was red saloon. I never even told my parents cos I knew it would set them off worrying too much.

Sofi1 · 20-08-2018 03:03PM

maximoose wrote: »

OH from Newbridge, story she always heard as a teen was that he laid the foundations of Swifts nightclub!

Swifts wasn't a new build, it was a renovation of an old pub. The nightclub part is upstairs.

Are Am Eye · 20-08-2018 03:09PM

Ande1975 wrote: »

I used to know Newbridge well but not familiar with Barrettstown Road. I google mapped it there and yeah get a better sense of the place.
Was it a long walk from town to her house? ** Freshpopcorn answered already**
I do recall that the last sighting was of her at her gate.

It wasn't at her gate. It was somewhere in the region of fifty meters I think from what I remember. But it wasn't that she was right at her house or going in the gate.

Sofi1 · 20-08-2018 03:16PM

Laois_Man wrote: »

I never 'got' that and I still don't. The notion that Deirdre actually did get inside her home has been completely discounted because of nothing more than the fact that her leaving again without phoning her mum in work to tell her would have been uncharacteristic.

Well, we don't know if it's been discounted by the guards, but that's what her parents believe. I read a Sunday Independent article this morning, where Deirdre's mother says that again. She really was a very non-flaky sort of person, and not prone to doing random things, always kept her parents in the loop.

Laois_Man wrote: »

I believe it has been 100% confirmed that he worked in Newbridge in August/early September 1998 but he did not work there in July. However, he did visit the site before this in order to provide a quote, but nobody can verify on what date that was.

Just rumours, but there was also talk that he was working in July in the Eyre Powell hotel at the bottom of the main street, near the bridge. I've only heard that locally, don't think I've ever read that in the press.

Deirdre Jacob missing twenty years Today.

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