Are transexual women attractive to hetero men?

08-08-2018 02:21PM

cgcsb wrote:

the lgbt forum is often plagued with trolls telling people that they are ill. That kind of idiocy gets banned of course.

And rightly so

08-08-2018 02:26PM

jobbridge4life wrote:

This is contradictory. You claim you are not owed anything, but at the same time you make your 'acceptance' of their 'lifestyle' conditional on them justifying their existence to you.

If I went up to a gay person on the street or in a gay bar and demanded that they educate me, or if I stormed into a mosque and demanded the Koran explained to me. I'd be a right entitled prick.

But of all the places I thought it would be acceptable to ask a genuine question it would be a discussion forum about that topic. I'm not owed an answer but it would be helpful.

I don't think it's unreasonable.

Samuel T. Cogley · 08-08-2018 02:30PM

professore wrote: »

Have to say as a hetero man Blaire White is disturbingly hot. There are lots of worse looking cis women out there.

Sorry but I don't see it. There's something 'off' and it's not becuase she's trans it's probably platic surgery. I don't know I can't put my finger on it.

cgcsb · 08-08-2018 02:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If I went up to a gay person on the street or in a gay bar and demanded that they educate me, or if I stormed into a mosque and demanded the Koran explained to me. I'd be a right entitled prick.

But of all the places I thought it would be acceptable to ask a genuine question it would be a discussion forum about that topic. I'm not owed an answer but it would be helpful.

I don't think it's unreasonable.

what is your 'genuine question'?

08-08-2018 03:07PM

cgcsb wrote:

what is your 'genuine question'?

I've asked a few in here and have gotten quite good responses. I've asked a few and spoken about my opinions in that forum and have been called bigoted and phobic.

It's all good. I am not campaigning for acceptance in the lgbt forum. I just thought it would be helpful to be a bit more, dare I say it, inclusive of differing opinions. No biggie.

cgcsb · 08-08-2018 03:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I've asked a few in here and have gotten quite good responses. I've asked a few and spoken about my opinions in that forum and have been called bigoted and phobic.

It's all good. I am not campaigning for acceptance in the lgbt forum. I just thought it would be helpful to be a bit more, dare I say it, inclusive of differing opinions. No biggie.

but what is your question and/or your opinion?

08-08-2018 03:17PM

On this thread?

My opinion is no. I don't find trans women attractive

My question on this would be, If you are attracted to a trans woman and are fully aware that they are/were at one stage in possession of a penis and testicles, would that not automatically be a deal breaker for most straight people and if it wasn't, aren't you not straight?

PlaneSpeeking · 08-08-2018 03:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

On this thread?

My opinion is no. I don't find trans women attractive although some do

My question on this would be, If you are attracted to a trans woman and are fully aware that they are/were at one stage in possession of a penis and testicles, would that not automatically be a deal breaker for most straight people?

Can't speak for everyone but as a straight woman, as long as he has them now then all systems go.

Expecting to find a woman sexually attractive with all female bits - and being called transphobic for not, that's where the insanity lies.

08-08-2018 03:23PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote:

Can't speak for everyone but as a straight woman, as long as he has them now then all systems go.

Fair dues. I just think as a bloke, I'd be aware I was having sex with a man's inside out Willy (crudely put) and no matter how attractive and convincing the rest of the body and face was, I wouldn't be having sex with a woman.

PlaneSpeeking · 08-08-2018 03:24PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Fair dues. I just think as a bloke, I'd be aware I was having sex with a man's inside out Willy (crudely put) and no matter how attractive and convincing the rest of the body and face was, I wouldn't be having sex with a woman.

Each to their own I'd say!

TBH - that's exactly what gender confirmation surgery for M-F is, inside out indeed!

Works apparently!

08-08-2018 03:26PM

Another question would be whether or not a trans person should have a legal obligation to disclose the fact before engaging as sex, and if so, in those cases would the trans woman (formerly a man) be exempt from any rape charge and the trans woman (formerly a woman) be able to be prosecuted as a rapist

DEFTLEFTHAND · 08-08-2018 03:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Another question would be whether or not a trans person should have a legal obligation to disclose the fact before engaging as sex, and if so, in those cases would the trans woman (formerly a man) be exempt from any rape charge and the trans woman (formerly a woman) be able to be prosecuted as a rapist

It never gets that far.

You'll know before the act occurs.

PlaneSpeeking · 08-08-2018 03:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Another question would be whether or not a trans person should have a legal obligation to disclose the fact before engaging as sex, and if so, in those cases would the trans woman (formerly a man) be exempt from any rape charge and the trans woman (formerly a woman) be able to be prosecuted as a rapist

Grey area, and I'll be honest I have no idea but what does worry me is this nonsense where rapists (male) rock up one day to the warden and "identify" as a woman and in many cases have been moved to a women's prison. Anatomically male in good working order.

This can only end very very badly.

ELM327 · 08-08-2018 03:42PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Grey area, and I'll be honest I have no idea but what does worry me is this nonsense where rapists (male) rock up one day to the warden and "identify" as a woman and in many cases have been moved to a women's prison. Anatomically male in good working order.

This can only end very very badly.

When they let "male to female" trans people into MMA/wrestling/track and field, that already ends badly. IMO it's PC gone mad. If I wear a dress and call myself elmette can I fight women in MMA and win? And be applauded for it? Hogwash.

I'm all for people's rights to do whatever the heck they want but thats too much imo

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

It never gets that far.

You'll know before the act occurs.

If someone can be found guilty of rape for removing a condom, this is actually closer to the idea of rape than that. It's literally using false pretences to induce sex.

Redpatio · 08-08-2018 03:46PM

ELM327 wrote: »

When they let "male to female" trans people into MMA/wrestling/track and field, that already ends badly. IMO it's PC gone mad. If I wear a dress and call myself elmette can I fight women in MMA and win? And be applauded for it? Hogwash.

I'm all for people's rights to do whatever the heck they want but thats too much imo

If someone can be found guilty of rape for removing a condom, this is actually closer to the idea of rape than that. It's literally using false pretences to induce sex.

Then women who wear make up could be charged with rape.

PlaneSpeeking · 08-08-2018 03:49PM

ELM327 wrote: »

When they let "male to female" trans people into MMA/wrestling/track and field, that already ends badly. IMO it's PC gone mad. If I wear a dress and call myself elmette can I fight women in MMA and win? And be applauded for it? Hogwash.

I'm all for people's rights to do whatever the heck they want but thats too much imo

If someone can be found guilty of rape for removing a condom, this is actually closer to the idea of rape than that. It's literally using false pretences to induce sex.

Whatever you do - don't make my mistake of saying "most men are naturally physically stronger than most women".

You'd think I'd peed on a nativity scene at midnight mass.

PlaneSpeeking · 08-08-2018 03:49PM

Redpatio wrote: »

Then women who wear make up could be charged with rape.

That might be the most ridiculous post I've read, ever.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 08-08-2018 03:49PM

But the sex never occurs.

seamus · 08-08-2018 03:57PM

ELM327 wrote: »

When they let "male to female" trans people into MMA/wrestling/track and field, that already ends badly. IMO it's PC gone mad. If I wear a dress and call myself elmette can I fight women in MMA and win? And be applauded for it? Hogwash.

Yeah, that's not true at all. You're missing the gazillions of tests and several years of hormone treatments that are required before any trans athlete can be approved to compete.

If someone can be found guilty of rape for removing a condom

Just as well they can't then.

ELM327 · 08-08-2018 03:58PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

That might be the most ridiculous post I've read, ever.

For sure

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

But the sex never occurs.

But what if it did. I've done some, shall we say, reading, on the subject and it's often quite difficult to tell.

Doesn't bother me anyway but only if told upfront. To be honest there's a lot of attractive trans women anyway. I used to be pretending that I didnt find them attractive if I found out afterwards they used to be a man but sure there's no point in that, why deny what you find attractive.

ELM327 · 08-08-2018 03:59PM

seamus wrote: »

Yeah, that's not true at all. You're missing the gazillions of tests and several years of hormone treatments that are required before any trans athlete can be approved to compete. .

Bang on point:

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Whatever you do - don't make my mistake of saying "most men are naturally physically stronger than most women".

You'd think I'd peed on a nativity scene at midnight mass.

seamus wrote: »

Just as well they can't then.

Care to explain this then:
https://www.newstalk.com/Man-in-Switzerland-convicted-for-rape-for-taking-off-condom-during-sex-

08-08-2018 04:11PM

ELM327 wrote: »

When they let "male to female" trans people into MMA/wrestling/track and field, that already ends badly. IMO it's PC gone mad. If I wear a dress and call myself elmette can I fight women in MMA and win? And be applauded for it? Hogwash.

I'm all for people's rights to do whatever the heck they want but thats too much imo
.

Already happened in MMA - look up Fallon Fox - it's very uncomfortable viewing - incredibly dangerous!

PlaneSpeeking · 08-08-2018 04:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Already happened in MMA - look up Fallon Fox - it's very uncomfortable viewing - incredibly dangerous!

Was that the one Ronda Rousey wouldn't fight ?

Don't blame her!

I believe strongly in LGBT rights and equality but science and evolution has made the male of the species heavier and physically stronger.

seamus · 08-08-2018 04:29PM

ELM327 wrote: »

Bang on point:

Well no, it's a different point. A man in a dress is obviously going to be stronger than a woman standing beside him. A trans man after several years of hormonal treatment and proper monitoring by the athletic authorities will see muscular atrophy to the extent that they're on a par to a comparable woman.

There's obviously a lot more monitoring to take place and data to be collected.. Separate trans competitions may be necessary, but glib nonsense like "man in a dress" is just fake news.

Care to explain this then:
https://www.newstalk.com/Man-in-Switzerland-convicted-for-rape-for-taking-off-condom-during-sex-

Yes!

1. That's a different country. The definition of "rape" varies from country to country
2. On appeal the court ruled that it was overreach and reduced the charge to "defilement". Which is presumably an analog for sexual assault.

cgcsb · 08-08-2018 05:24PM

Deleted User wrote: »

On this thread?

My opinion is no. I don't find trans women attractive

ok

Deleted User wrote: »

My question on this would be, If you are attracted to a trans woman and are fully aware that they are/were at one stage in possession of a penis and testicles, would that not automatically be a deal breaker for most straight people

It might be for some, maybe not for others, which camp is the majority is anyone's guess. But of course everyone's an individual and many people might reject the idea out of hand and then when the right person comes along all those pre conditions change. You could say you'd never fancy a red head and then boom there you are, ginger city, population you. Life works out in peculiar ways

Deleted User wrote: »

and if it wasn't, aren't you not straight?

No, you're very much still straight. But of course, those definitions are self-defined

cgcsb · 08-08-2018 05:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Another question would be whether or not a trans person should have a legal obligation to disclose the fact before engaging as sex,

Eh no. It's a private act between individuals, not disclosing key aspects of your past before hand maybe considered uncool, but it's certainly not something the state need to put laws on. Just like all the lads who wont be prosecuted for telling girls they invented postetts years ago to impress them.

The Bishop Basher · 08-08-2018 05:29PM

seamus wrote: »

A trans man after several years of hormonal treatment and proper monitoring by the athletic authorities will see muscular atrophy to the extent that they're on a par to a comparable woman.

That sounds like a very broad statement. I’m sure there are countless variables involved. None of which change the fact that It’s still a man competing against a woman.

Sal Butamol · 08-08-2018 05:49PM

Some of them do a great job to be fair, they could be professional stylists or make up artists

But there's usually tell-tale signs that surgery can't hide, like large hands and the male jawline

ceadaoin. · 08-08-2018 05:50PM

seamus wrote: »

Yeah, that's not true at all. You're missing the gazillions of tests and several years of hormone treatments that are required before any trans athlete can be approved to compete.

There are trans athletes who are not on hormones competing against girls in Connecticut state high school competitions. Unsurprisingly they are finishing in the top 2 places. Given that scholarships could be on the line here don't you think that's grossly unfair and could result in less female athletes becoming professionals?

https://usatodayhss.com/2018/connecticut-parents-ban-transgender-track-athletes

Is hormone treatment going to shrink the skeletons of biological males, and reduce lung and heart capacity to completely remove any advantage? The answer is no

Also, the levels of testosterone allowed in trans athletes is well above what the average female would naturally have, even those who are professional athletes.

Pa8301 · 08-08-2018 06:07PM

Sal Butamol wrote: »

Some of them do a great job to be fair, they could be professional stylists or make up artists

But there's usually tell-tale signs that surgery can't hide, like large hands and the male jawline

Is the last one not Glenda Gilson?! ;-)

Are transexual women attractive to hetero men?

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