Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt3

S.M.B. · 05-08-2018 09:33PM

Business Cat wrote: »

Last pre season game of the season the players should be allowed go out and have fun. If Joses plan for the season is to play like we've played in pre season then he won't see Christmas.

I tell you something else, Leicester will beat us Friday.

13/2 for a Leicester win seems like very good value right now.

Lord TSC · 05-08-2018 09:35PM

S.M.B. wrote: »

13/2 for a Leicester win seems like very good value right now.

Probably go for that myself.

Mind, Leicester are without Vardy and Maguire, and have lost Mahrez. They are weak enough right now.

05-08-2018 09:35PM

astradave wrote: »

As much as I love Jose, if this continues into the start of the season And we have a bad start, I’ll be pushing for him to be moved on, it will be his third season and there can absolutely be no more excuses

Lordy beat me to it with an example, but I was going to say the excuses have already started, after many of us agreeing at the end of last season that there could be no excuses for Jose this season.

Yes Jose needed to be backed fully this window, but it's not an either/or situation where only one of he or Ed take the blame. There has been hundreds of millions already invested at Jose's request, he has been backed and then some. Ed failing to get in 2 more players this window does not absolve Jose of poor football and/or results on the field that we've seen so far or might see this coming season.

There are a pair of them in it - Jose needs to do better with the players he asked for and got so far - Ed needs to possibly go if he had another poor transfer window after the debacle that was his first transfer window with Moyes.

Ed Woodward possibly dropped the ball in this window, but he'll be a convenient distraction for a few who just don't want to admit that the manager is unfortunately failing on some level with his players.

No decisions yet, but if we do have a title challenge-ending start to the season, it's likely that that I'll want to see the back of both Jose and Ed by Christmas. Whatever about sponsorship deals and backing various managers, that would be 6 seasons of title failure which Ed had overseen at United.

S.M.B. · 05-08-2018 09:42PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Probably go for that myself.

Mind, Leicester are without Vardy and Maguire, and have lost Mahrez. They are weak enough right now.

Maddison could do some damage in the absence of Mahrez.

We should be clear favourites but 13/2 doesn't seem right.

bangkok · 05-08-2018 09:50PM

Cant handle another season of mourinho

Will I Am Not · 05-08-2018 09:58PM

We’ll beat Leicester lads.

Lord TSC · 05-08-2018 09:59PM

https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/1026210361328979969?s=19

pjohnson · 05-08-2018 10:00PM

Whos the saviour then? Sack Jose fine but who can make THIS lot work? A new manager will still be begging for a starting LB and RW. Unless people honestly think a new manager will turn Luke Shaw and Juan Mata into speedy penetrating options in each position.

We can't seem to finish deals anymore and that is public so who will take this? I guess a new manager might see it as a handy paycheck but this group of players, regardless of manager, will be in a fight for top 4 at best. The deficiencies in the starting XI are glaring.

Players wont decrease in asking price because we have a new manager. Probably be more expensive each year asking prices rise it seems.

Drumpot · 05-08-2018 10:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Lordy beat me to it with an example, but I was going to say the excuses have already started, after many of us agreeing at the end of last season that there could be no excuses for Jose this season.

Yes Jose needed to be backed fully this window, but it's not an either/or situation where only one of he or Ed take the blame. There has been hundreds of millions already invested at Jose's request, he has been backed and then some. Ed failing to get in 2 more players this window does not absolve Jose of poor football and/or results on the field that we've seen so far or might see this coming season.

There are a pair of them in it - Jose needs to do better with the players he asked for and got so far - Ed needs to possibly go if he had another poor transfer window after the debacle that was his first transfer window with Moyes.

Ed Woodward possibly dropped the ball in this window, but he'll be a convenient distraction for a few who just don't want to admit that the manager is unfortunately failing on some level with his players.

No decisions yet, but if we do have a title challenge-ending start to the season, it's likely that that I'll want to see the back of both Jose and Ed by Christmas. Whatever about sponsorship deals and backing various managers, that would be 6 seasons of title failure which Ed had overseen at United.

It’s funny cause between people quoting the Seville game and our style of football you could easily forget that last seasons league finish was the best since SAF retired. It might feel bad but objectively speaking it’s not nearly as bad as
Some are making out.

I agree with how difficult it is to watch that team. But I still think Jose is the best chance for success.

Drumpot · 05-08-2018 10:06PM

bangkok wrote: »

Cant handle another season of mourinho

I genuinely believe if Jose has the team on board it could be a very good season.

nullzero · 05-08-2018 10:08PM

Not looking positive at the moment. We're in danger of sliding rapidly this season. Money spent on the wrong players over the last few years is more becoming a serious issue, Pogba in particular has been extremely disappointing and really should have the but between his teeth regardless of his relationship with the manager. Hopefully we can begin to feel and play some decent football but it's hard to e it happening at the moment.

duffman13 · 05-08-2018 10:09PM

Will I Am Not wrote: »

We’ll beat Leicester lads.

We shouldn't really be worried about that tbf. I think so too but the measure of us isn't going to be Leicester. It's disappointing that we even fear them despite the fact they'll be likely missing their three best players from last year

irishfeen · 05-08-2018 10:12PM

Not a single shot on target ... Jesus Christ almighty!! Confidence is shot going into a new season.

05-08-2018 10:12PM

I'm not saying we replace him, I'm just acknowledging reality of the project and the football so far. In fact, I have no preference or idea who we would replace Jose with should it come to it soon.

I endured the Moyes and LVG days with the knowledge that the Jose safety-net was still out there for us, that no matter what he would eventually come in and win a title. If Jose doesn't do it, it will not just be 'meh...next please' for me, but a big disappointment and a shaking of some long-held beliefs.

So it gives me no joy to suggest that he might be failing. And btw, it's not necessarily a 'title or he goes' situation for me this season. As discussed at the end of last season, it will depend on the context; For example, If we finish a very close 2nd and have been in the title race up until the end of May/early April, well then there's a case to be made for progress there.

jayo26 · 05-08-2018 10:19PM

Edit: fake pic

Lord TSC · 05-08-2018 10:21PM

jayo26 wrote: »

Well lads out tier 1 has spoken Toby is edging closer and medical in next 48 hours

Oh, who?

jayo26 · 05-08-2018 10:23PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Oh, who?

It's either Photoshop or he deleted it pal

jayo26 · 05-08-2018 10:24PM

Just seen its fake account.

Lord TSC · 05-08-2018 10:24PM

Photoshop, I'd say

Lord TSC · 05-08-2018 10:24PM

Ah. Yeah, there's three ooos in his name...

Adamcp898 · 05-08-2018 10:28PM

Tonight was seriously disheartening. I don't think we sat deep by choice because playing on the break generally involves your forward(s) assuming more threatening positions from which they can break at the opposition when you turn over possession but we just looked like we were digging in.

Still only a preseason match but it has put bringing in a good possession midfielder up there along with CB in terms of priority for me. Hopefully Matic and Pogba will improve things spades full when paired with Fred but we're not going to be able to play those three for 50 games in order to challenge for anything and the depth just isn't there to compensate.

jayo26 · 05-08-2018 10:31PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Ah. Yeah, there's three ooos in his name...

Yeah one the guys post it without verifying it and I got pulled in and did the same haha.

Adamcp898 · 05-08-2018 10:33PM

jayo26 wrote: »

Yeah one the guys post it without verifying it and I got pulled in and did the same haha.

Is that you, Mr. Sky Sources? :pac:

beno619 · 05-08-2018 10:33PM

astradave wrote: »

As much as I love Jose, if this continues into the start of the season And we have a bad start, I’ll be pushing for him to be moved on, it will be his third season and there can absolutely be no more excuses

Can you clarify your position here, win the league of bust ?

Edit : your looking to see a progression in style which is fair enough.

irishfeen · 05-08-2018 10:34PM

Seeing on Twitter that possession tonight was 72%-28% ....

titan18 · 05-08-2018 10:44PM

Mourinho inherited some meh players who are still there and starting. The players he added are probably good enough (Lukaku, Pogba, Sanchez and Matic) or still young ( Bailly and Lindelof). It's hard to go against him other than his style which we all knew when brought in anyway when he hasn't got in the players he wants. City are getting better every year too rather than us closing the gap.

pjohnson · 05-08-2018 10:55PM

Mina set for Everton apparently. Wonder does that mean the Rojo deal is off now aswell? So we could have 6 senior CB's for two spots next year now :pac:

I can feel Woodward preparing the 80m deadline day deal for Maguire.

Probably fail with a bid to sign Andre Silva on loan aswell to complete the recreation from his first window!

Rayne Wooney · 05-08-2018 10:57PM

Funny, if anything the Seville games opened my eyes to the fact that we just have not got a league winning team, we got as good a result as you could expect away from home and the players were told to go and win the match at OT and we got outclassed, simple as that, this is where the Mourinho criticism falls short for me. We are a top 4 team but we will not be a league winner in the foreseeable future, there is a massive gap between the two.

We will sack Jose and the problems will persist, we will be downgrading in manager and the first thing the new manager will require is half a dozen new players. There just seems to be no logic in sacking the best manager we will get to replace him with a lesser manager who will need to rebuild.

Liverpool have, annoyingly, assembled a squad that will challenge this season, City have added to theirs when they were already clear.

Mitch Connor · 05-08-2018 11:03PM

titan18 wrote: »

Mourinho inherited some meh players who are still there and starting. The players he added are probably good enough (Lukaku, Pogba, Sanchez and Matic) or still young ( Bailly and Lindelof). It's hard to go against him other than his style which we all knew when brought in anyway when he hasn't got in the players he wants. City are getting better every year too rather than us closing the gap.

United, as a club, aren't bothered about city. As long as they get top 4 it doesn't matter. The club has no ambition of winning the title anymore.

We needed a huge summer to compete. The club haven't pushed for a big summer (as Liverpool did cause they want to win the title) because they don't care.

limnam · 05-08-2018 11:14PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

United, as a club, aren't bothered about city. As long as they get top 4 it doesn't matter. The club has no ambition of winning the title anymore.

Horse poo.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt3

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