Luas hopping, Dutch gold drinking Shane Ross goes after motorists licences again.

drunkmonkey · 05-08-2018 08:27AM #1

He's at it again from his public transport served high horse..

"It will be graduated, the more you break the speed limit the more you’ll be punished – there will be higher penalty points, certainly.”

"Motorists who break the speed limit could also find themselves banned from driving after just one offence."

http://www.thejournal.ie/graduated-speeding-laws-4163815-Aug2018/

So 1 offence and you could be off the road, again a disproportionate attack on people not served by the Luas or Dublin bus.

colm_mcm · 05-08-2018 08:29AM

Don’t see the problem with that tbh.

satguy · 05-08-2018 08:31AM

Why can't he just take a leaf out of Enda Kenny's book, and just do nothing.

Thibus · 05-08-2018 08:32AM

If you don't want a penalty then don't speed. It's fairly straight forward.
If it helps to brings road deaths down then that's brilliant.
Seems to me that there is something in the news about people being killed on the roads every couple of days lately

bear1 · 05-08-2018 08:34AM

So the more you break the speed limit the higher the punishment.
Which is already standard practice in many eu countries.
And this is bad how?
The politicians in this country are screwed if they do something and screwed if they don't.

Kevin Finnerty · 05-08-2018 08:35AM

I'd be in favour, I'll reserve judgement until I see his actual proposals.

KERSPLAT! · 05-08-2018 08:35AM

Sounds reasonable to me.

Mr.Crinklewood · 05-08-2018 08:36AM

Don't see anything about the law just being applied to Dublin.

I'm assuming you heard this wrong and this is nationwide.

On,and one offense of speeding could also kill people.

Allinall · 05-08-2018 08:36AM

Are the people that don’t live near the LUAS or bus stops allowed to drive faster that the rest?

New one on me.

uck51js9zml2yt · 05-08-2018 08:38AM

Why is he promoting alcohol?

Atlantic Dawn · 05-08-2018 08:40AM

It should be salary based, a days salary as fine.

drunkmonkey · 05-08-2018 08:47AM

Allinall wrote: »

Are the people that don’t live near the LUAS or bus stops allowed to drive faster that the rest?

New one on me.

It's about the punishment being life changing for someone outside Dublin, Shane Ross could lose his licence in the morning and life wouldn't change for him, he's got the most comprehensive public transport system in the country outside his door.
He's like a little gourier throwing stones and running off knowing none will ever hit him.

05-08-2018 08:51AM

An "attack" for crying out loud. There are signs all over the place stating the speed limit, just don't speed. It isn't difficult.

Allinall · 05-08-2018 08:52AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's about the punishment being life changing for someone outside Dublin, Shane Ross could lose his licence in the morning and life wouldn't change for him, he's got the most comprehensive public transport system in the country outside his door.
He's like a little gourier throwing stones and running off knowing none will ever hit him.

I live near the LUAS, and would be very much in favour of a graduated fine and points system for speeding.

Does that make me a gourier (sic) ?

KERSPLAT! · 05-08-2018 08:52AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's about the punishment being life changing for someone outside Dublin, Shane Ross could lose his licence in the morning and life wouldn't change for him, he's got the most comprehensive public transport system in the country outside his door.
He's like a little gourier throwing stones and running off knowing none will ever hit him.

Don't break the speed limit and you won't have an issue, wherever you live.

Collie D · 05-08-2018 08:54AM

Prison sentences or fines or any other punishment affect somebody's life too. By OP's logic these shouldn't be enforced either.

As the saying goes: If you can't do the time...

sydthebeat · 05-08-2018 08:58AM

Will this apply to our "yellow reg" speedsters too?

whomitconcerns · 05-08-2018 08:59AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

It should be salary based, a days salary as fine.

It's up to a week here in London.. If your on the motorway you can really get hammered!

Hitman3000 · 05-08-2018 09:03AM

drunkmonkey wrote:

It's about the punishment being life changing for someone outside Dublin, Shane Ross could lose his licence in the morning and life wouldn't change for him, he's got the most comprehensive public transport system in the country outside his door. He's like a little gourier throwing stones and running off knowing none will ever hit him.

I live outside Dublin ,10 miles from the nearest town. Driving for over 20 years. Got caught speeding 18 years ago. Never happened again. Not really hard to obey the law. Makes the road safer for everyone.

Dravokivich · 05-08-2018 09:03AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's about the punishment being life changing for someone outside Dublin, Shane Ross could lose his licence in the morning and life wouldn't change for him, he's got the most comprehensive public transport system in the country outside his door.
He's like a little gourier throwing stones and running off knowing none will ever hit him.

Then people should respect their privilege to drive.

Victor · 05-08-2018 09:04AM

Graduated fines mean that rich people are punished as opposed to seeing fines as occasional fees they need to do something.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's about the punishment being life changing for someone outside Dublin

Collisions can be life changing for several people at the same time.

05-08-2018 09:05AM

whomitconcerns wrote: »

It's up to a week here in London.. If your on the motorway you can really get hammered!

No drink driving penalties over there?

drunkmonkey · 05-08-2018 09:15AM

Dravokivich wrote: »

Then people should respect their privilege to drive.

The point is we don't all have the same privilege when caught and lose our licence. His job as minister for transport should be to ensure we all have a functional public transport system that doesn't only work for Dubliners.

I'd think this is a great idea if I had Luas or Dublin bus near me, sure what about losing your licence I can just get the tram to work, might even have a few Dutch gold on the way home.

KERSPLAT! · 05-08-2018 09:18AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The point is we don't all have the same privilege when caught and lose our licence. His job as minister for transport should be to ensure we all have a functional public transport system that doesn't only work for Dubliners.

I'd think this is a great idea if I had Luas or Dublin bus near me, sure what about losing your licence I can just get the tram to work, might even have a few Dutch gold on the way home.

Is not losing your license an option?

I agree regarding public transport but how this can be seen as anything but a good idea is beyond me.

Mr.Crinklewood · 05-08-2018 09:18AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's about the punishment being life changing for someone outside Dublin, Shane Ross could lose his licence in the morning and life wouldn't change for him, he's got the most comprehensive public transport system in the country outside his door.
He's like a little gourier throwing stones and running off knowing none will ever hit him.

In your opinion who would have the biggest life changing consequences of speeding?

- The victim?

- The driver?

- The victims family?

-:The drivers family,

If this law reduces speeding then it will be an effective law .

Turnipman · 05-08-2018 09:19AM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

I live outside Dublin ,10 miles from the nearest town. Driving for over 20 years. Got caught speeding 18 years ago. Never happened again. Not really hard to obey the law. Makes the road safer for everyone.

Similar to my experience.

Although I still resent the fine that I got for going down the Finglas Bypass at 55 kph at 07.00 on a bright Sunday morning without another car or pedestrian in sight. I blame the Garda Commissioner for not cancelling my speeding fine! There's not much point in being the boss of a corrupt police force, if it's not equally corrupt for every citizen!

Hitman3000 · 05-08-2018 09:22AM

Turnipman wrote:

Similar to my experience.

20 quid fine. No points at the time.

Turnipman · 05-08-2018 09:22AM

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

In your opinion who would have the biggest life changing consequences of speeding?

- The victim?

- The driver?

- The victims family?

-The drivers family,

If this law reduces speeding then it will be an effective law .

That's an enormous logical jump in the discussion whereby you are now positing that every incidence of speeding will leads to a victim.

Hurrache · 05-08-2018 09:25AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

So 1 offence and you could be off the road, again a disproportionate attack on people not served by the Luas or Dublin bus.

So many things wrong with that one sentence.

Firstly, it's aiming to be proportionate, that's the point.

Secondly, people served by the Luas and bus have been known to break speed limits too and will also fall under the same proposed laws. I bet that blows your mind.

05-08-2018 09:25AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The point is we don't all have the same privilege when caught and lose our licence. His job as minister for transport should be to ensure we all have a functional public transport system that doesn't only work for Dubliners.

I'd think this is a great idea if I had Luas or Dublin bus near me, sure what about losing your licence I can just get the tram to work, might even have a few Dutch gold on the way home.

It is just slightly unreasonable to suggest that there is ever going to be equivalent access to public transport in urban and rural areas. With limited funds available for investment, it is not unreasonable to maximise returns/benefits in high population areas.

It is more than slightly unreasonable to hold this up as a reason for not progressing with anti drink driving legislation.

Damien360 · 05-08-2018 09:27AM

This makes common sense.

I would like to see :

Bigger fine for more speed with reference to zone. So 130 in a 50 is a huge fine and 130 in a 120 zone is normal fine. This is what is being discussed.

But, as usual, the only people that will pay are those employed. I can't see OAP's and those on social welfare paying the bigger fines. The government will fear the grey vote and there will be get out clauses in this and the whole thing will fall apart.

Luas hopping, Dutch gold drinking Shane Ross goes after motorists licences again.

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