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Publicly unacceptable opinions

  • 01-08-2018 05:31PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 495 ✭✭


    I posted on the recent referendum and probably deserved a lot of the flak I got for my posts. I was trying to work things out in my head so I don't mind any of that tbh. It did make me think however about unacceptable opinions to voice in public. I've seen other posters get labeled (perhaps correctly) as racist/bigoted etc for discussing some issues online, but to me the problem is that they cant be discussed in real life, as in bad ideas/logic should be challenged openly.

    Below are some of my unpalatable opinions:

    1) I'm afraid of the effects of Islam on the West (less about terrorism than segregated societies/Sharia law/child grooming gangs etc) and our governments willingness to accept more refugees from Muslim countries. To clarify, I dont believe this will be a problem for Ireland in the next ten years. I have Muslim family members who have assimilated (obviously) to Irish culture, but I feel the discussion in Ireland about the specific difficulties in assimilating Islam are not really broached. I realize it is probably not logical to worry at this point, as we haven't had a terrorist attack in Ireland or any scandal with Muslims here.

    2) It really annoys me that the problems between the settled community and the traveller community are never adequately addressed. There are a lot of liberal minded people who would rather defend supposedly oppressed minorities than treat them as fallible humans. I remember a Slavoj Zizek interview where he asked a liberal "Should they live beside you?" The answer obviously wasn't yes. I don't mind segregation up to a point, but what does it say about the settled community's values that the illiteracy rate among travelers is so high? Is it not the duty of the state to try to give every child the same chance at life, regardless?

    3) As I get older, I find that I respect women less than men. In general I find men to be more stoic about their situations. I find more women than men to have unrealistic expectations, particularly about relationships. What I would call the feminization of society (therapy culture, obsession with the abolition of traditional gender roles etc) has created a generation of men who are undoubtedly good fathers, though I worry what kind of men these men will raise. A woman in her late 50s recently said to me that she was alone and that no one called in to her. I asked her why she didn't just leave the house. She said "And go where?" If a man said that to me, I would probably laugh in his face.

    4) I prefer gay men to lesbians (settle down). I have a lesbian family member who has been overly aggressive towards me in the past, in a way that I don't think she would have been with my female relatives. I do understand that as a lesbian, men must seem like a mixture of nuisances, competitors and outright pests, so it doesn't bother me that much, but it's a pain to be treated differently for what you are rather than who you are (upon re-reading, I realize this may sound ironic). I find most gay men I've met to be funny and easy to talk to, even if less than I thought (hoped) were attracted to me.

    And yes, I am Hitler.


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Undividual wrote:
    And yes, I am Hitler.


    How's Mrs Hitler?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Campogna


    Unacceptable opinion: pee is not stored in the balls


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    How do you cross the double-think gap between your opinions 3 and 4?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,231 ✭✭✭Jim Bob Scratcher


    "Stoic" I learned a new word :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Dont worry
    Your'e not alone.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Mackmatic


    This just screams "someone please validate my sh!tty opinions".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,004 ✭✭✭Hammer89


    Mackmatic wrote: »
    This just screams "someone please validate my sh!tty opinions".

    It's a shame you can only thank a post once.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Mutant z


    Anything that's not open border immigration related you must agree every refugee that arrives here is completely genuine or else you're a racist bigot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,387 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    A child’s got more bones than a grown-up’s got.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Are Am Eye


    You think you're so great OP. Well I have privately unacceptable opinions.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,051 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Undividual wrote: »
    ...................

    And yes, I am Hitler.


    Heil there. It was all Russia in the second half, you have to admit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Be more stoic and stop crying. You're a mess.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 523 ✭✭✭Sal Butamol


    The Irish navy has no business in the Mediterranean assisting the uncontrolled illegal immigration of African and Middle Eastern nationals.

    Nor should we feel obligated to accept any on our shores either.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭Try_harder


    Funny the opinions like the ops are all I see in Boards of late - must be be acceptable on boards. Eventually people get tired of listening to it and move on somewhere else.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭Try_harder


    The Irish navy has no business in the Mediterranean assisting the uncontrolled illegal immigration of African and Middle Eastern nationals.

    Nor should we feel obligated to accept any on our shores either.

    Are genuine Syrian refugees acceptable?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    Undividual wrote: »
    I posted on the recent referendum and probably deserved a lot of the flak I got for my posts. I was trying to work things out in my head so I don't mind any of that tbh. It did make me think however about unacceptable opinions to voice in public. I've seen other posters get labeled (perhaps correctly) as racist/bigoted etc for discussing some issues online, but to me the problem is that they cant be discussed in real life, as in bad ideas/logic should be challenged openly.

    Below are some of my unpalatable opinions:

    1) I'm afraid of the effects of Islam on the West (less about terrorism than segregated societies/Sharia law/child grooming gangs etc) and our governments willingness to accept more refugees from Muslim countries. To clarify, I dont believe this will be a problem for Ireland in the next ten years. I have Muslim family members who have assimilated (obviously) to Irish culture, but I feel the discussion in Ireland about the specific difficulties in assimilating Islam are not really broached. I realize it is probably not logical to worry at this point, as we haven't had a terrorist attack in Ireland or any scandal with Muslims here.

    2) It really annoys me that the problems between the settled community and the traveller community are never adequately addressed. There are a lot of liberal minded people who would rather defend supposedly oppressed minorities than treat them as fallible humans. I remember a Slavoj Zizek interview where he asked a liberal "Should they live beside you?" The answer obviously wasn't yes. I don't mind segregation up to a point, but what does it say about the settled community's values that the illiteracy rate among travelers is so high? Is it not the duty of the state to try to give every child the same chance at life, regardless?

    3) As I get older, I find that I respect women less than men. In general I find men to be more stoic about their situations. I find more women than men to have unrealistic expectations, particularly about relationships. What I would call the feminization of society (therapy culture, obsession with the abolition of traditional gender roles etc) has created a generation of men who are undoubtedly good fathers, though I worry what kind of men these men will raise. A woman in her late 50s recently said to me that she was alone and that no one called in to her. I asked her why she didn't just leave the house. She said "And go where?" If a man said that to me, I would probably laugh in his face.

    4) I prefer gay men to lesbians (settle down). I have a lesbian family member who has been overly aggressive towards me in the past, in a way that I don't think she would have been with my female relatives. I do understand that as a lesbian, men must seem like a mixture of nuisances, competitors and outright pests, so it doesn't bother me that much, but it's a pain to be treated differently for what you are rather than who you are (upon re-reading, I realize this may sound ironic). I find most gay men I've met to be funny and easy to talk to, even if less than I thought (hoped) were attracted to me.

    And yes, I am Hitler.

    I agree with everything you say.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Taytoland


    Try_harder wrote: »
    The Irish navy has no business in the Mediterranean assisting the uncontrolled illegal immigration of African and Middle Eastern nationals.

    Nor should we feel obligated to accept any on our shores either.

    Are genuine Syrian refugees acceptable?
    Would go a long way to finding one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 523 ✭✭✭Sal Butamol


    Try_harder wrote: »
    Are genuine Syrian refugees acceptable?

    Yes, but only after an extensive background check and subject to conditions regarding integration


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭Try_harder


    What conditions?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭Try_harder


    Taytoland wrote: »
    Would go a long way to finding one.

    Really warm torn Syria doesnt have genuine refugees.

    Family moved in a few doors down from me a few years ago- they are grand


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  • Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    On boards.ie, I've found that thinking that women deserve equal rights is an unacceptable position. Disliking racists is an unacceptable position. Stating that Dublin have been given far more money than everybody else in Gaelic Games is an unacceptable position. Overall though it's just a bit of craic. A silly internet forum that we can talk **** in. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,141 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    I think the problem with this Boards.ie (especially in the politics forum) is there is a lot of leftie liberal mods here who dislike posters expressing middle ground views on Islam, immigration and feel they have to over compensate in the other direction by dishing out cards and bans. The OP's views are fine but he wouldn't last 10 minutes in the politics forum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,540 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    That women deserve equal pay.
    Err you do if you come to work on time and do a full days work.
    How is it acceptable that women can be late for work on a continuous basis ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,202 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    I think the problem with this Boards.ie (especially in the politics forum) is there is a lot of leftie liberal mods here who dislike posters expressing middle ground views on Islam, immigration and feel they have to over compensate in the other direction by dishing out cards and bans. The OP's views are fine but he wouldn't last 10 minutes in the politics forum.

    or

    centrist mods who don't like right wing hate mongering

    all depends on perspective

    I'd love to see a few examples of these middle ground opinions that were unjustly carded...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭Try_harder


    Blazer wrote: »
    That women deserve equal pay.
    Err you do if you come to work on time and do a full days work.
    How is it acceptable that women can be late for work on a continuous basis ?

    ???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭oneilla


    OP doesn't like Muslims, travellers and women. You can find online spaces where these awful views are "accepted" and, you might even find a group of friends who share them. Perhaps you could voice support for a certain US president... Online forums are hardly the same as "discussion in real life" fwiw.

    Anyway, I dislike dogs and this is a near-universally unacceptable opinion. There are far too many dogs in urban areas. The barking and public defecation attracts my ire the most. Not interested in the usual "good vs bad dog owners" debate. I don't like dogs and those who harp on about them being so intelligent and great companions sound like idiots oddballs. Want a dog? Go live with it on a big farm somewhere or in the wilderness thousands of years ago away from people who want to walk on public paths and through parks in peace.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,202 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    oneilla wrote: »
    OP doesn't like Muslims, travellers and women. You can find online spaces where these awful views are "accepted" and, you might even find a group of friends who share them. Perhaps you could voice support for a certain US president... Online forums are hardly the same as "discussion in real life" fwiw.

    Anyway, I dislike dogs and this is a near-universally unacceptable opinion. There are far too many dogs in urban areas. The barking and public defecation attracts my ire the most. Not interested in the usual "good vs bad dog owners" debate. I don't like dogs and those who harp on about them being so intelligent and great companions sound like idiots. Want a dog? Go live with it on a big farm somewhere or in the wilderness thousands of years ago away from people who want to walk on public paths and through parks in peace.

    I'm almost with you but I have no distaste for the dogs themselves but the keeping of them in urban spaces


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭Try_harder


    Cats are better than dogs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,141 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    lawred2 wrote: »
    or

    centrist mods who don't like right wing hate mongering

    all depends on perspective

    I'd love to see a few examples of these middle ground opinions that were unjustly carded...

    One example in the Politics Cafe. When minister Joe McHugh made a speech announcing Ireland welcomed all Syrian refugees, views were expressed that this was not necessarily the case. Mods demanded that posters provide links under threat of cards backing up the counter argument.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭Try_harder


    Ireland repped by the government welcomes them.


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