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Review: Dell XPS 15

  • 25-02-2018 04:46PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭


    Following on from this thread here I decided to purchase a Dell XPS 15.

    Here is the specsheet:
    • I7-7700HQ
    • 15.6" 4K Ultra HD InfinityEdge Touch Display
    • Fingerprint Reader
    • 16GB DDR4, 2400Mhz
    • 512GB PCIe (Not the samsung, think it's a Toshiba)
    • 97WGr, 6-cell lithium Ion battery
    • Nvidia GeForce GTX 1050 - 4GB GDDR5
    • Killer 1535 802.11ac 2X2 Wifi and Bluetooth

    A bit of background. I've been a software developer for a good 15 years and never really had my own laptop. Gaming would have previous have been very high on the agenda and I have a decent desktop rig which is great for that purpose although it is ageing a little. My requirement was for a laptop with a good screen that could play the odd game but be mainly a good development machine.

    I also needed a decent amount of RAM because I run moderately memory hungry apps all at once. Photography is a small hobby so lightroom and other apps would be used.

    IMG_5715.jpg

    So, on to the laptop.

    It's the perfect size for me. The screen is big but the form factor of the laptop does not feel enormous. I did toy with the idea of the 13" device but making the 175% screen scaling lets me still see things clearly whilst fitting a lot on the one screen (eclipse Java development). The screen itself is beautiful it gets nice and bright and the 4K videos do look stunning. However, I'm pretty sure a full HD screen would have done fine and been a bit better in the battery department. The screen is also highly glossy but to be honest it hasn't been that big an issue.

    The keyboard travel is pretty good, it did take me a while to get used to it though. The arrow keys are disappointingly small and they didn't make use of the extra space of the 15" to put in a numeric keypad which is also a bit disappointing. The most annoying part however is no dedicated home/end or pg up/down keys. When doing development you spend a lot of time moving to end of lines and highlighting portions of code and having to hold the function key and press one of the arrow keys is not natural and I still haven't gotten used to it weeks later.

    IMG_5711.jpg

    The touchpad seems to be a touchy subject on the internet with people reporting it being unresponsive or just not granular enough. Personally I think it's fine ... just fine, not spectacular and I don't really have a reference. I have a small wireless mouse that I use when the laptop is on a table and I prefer that. The gestures on the touchpad are brilliant when you remember to use them for changing apps, minimizing everything or even switching desktops.

    It's such a light laptop, I think it comes in around 2Kg. My point of reference is a similar sized PC Specialist laptop in work which weighs a bloody ton. I find I can just pick this up with one hand in work and walk around the office showing people something on the screen.

    The battery life is pretty good considering the 4K screen, it does drain pretty quickly if you have it in performance mode and the brightness all the way up. Most of the time it isn't necessary to have it up all the way and you will gain an extra hour or two.

    IMG_5700.jpg

    Warning: 4K netflix DOES NOT work on this device. It must be some combination of the hardware parts and DRM. i was on to netflix and they said I'm the 2nd person to ever have this issue. They're looking into it but I won't hold my breath. Chrome only plays 720p but the microsoft app and Edge are supposed to support 4K but it comes up with an error when trying to play 4K recorded titles. A little disappointing.

    The speakers are grand, they get good and loud but a little muffled. I have a set of Bose QC 35's that go really well with this so don't really use the speakers that oftern. However when you do need to play something it does get loud enough for multiple people in a small room to be able to hear.

    I can't really comment on the laptop from a gaming point of view. I tried playing Day of Defeat, which is an old half life mod at this stage and to be honest it didn't run very well. I started Skyrim but there seemed to be quite a bit of input lag which was off putting and there is definitely a screen ghosting issue. Most people say this isn't really noticeable but I'm kind of anal about those things and it'll be the only thing I'll see! The input lag could've just been the cheapo mouse I was using but I also tried the touchpad and it didn't seem to respond in-game half the time!

    The touch screen is actually great when you remember it has one. pinch zoom does not scale in Chrome, it actually zooms the website in instead which can be really handy when viewing high res images etc. It can also be handy when just touching links just like a tablet.

    It's a very fast laptop, it could probably load things a little quicker if it had the faster SSD (Samsung) but mine shipped with a Toshiba which isn't as good but does the job just fine. Booting, switching users loading applications all happens within a reasonable timeframe.

    The fingerprint scanner is brilliant. I have my right index finger set up for a home account where I have all my games and Adobe apps etc. Then I have my left index finger setup with my work account for all my development apps. I don't need to choose the user I'm logging in as, it knows based on the finger applied to the scanner. It's also nice and fast.

    IMG_5723.jpg

    Summary

    Overall I'm very happy with the laptop. Apart from bits and pieces that niggle, it's a very good device. I don't seem to be plagued by many of the other problems the people report online such as coil wine and wireless driver issues (I did have problems connecting to work wifi but that router is ****e). It works very well for my purposes, I would say don't buy this laptop if you want to game a lot.

    If anyone has any specific questions, just ask and I'll try to give as much information as I can!


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭forzacalcio


    Slaanesh wrote: »
    Following on from this thread here I decided to purchase a Dell XPS 15.

    Here is the specsheet:
    • I7-7700HQ
    • 15.6" 4K Ultra HD InfinityEdge Touch Display
    • Fingerprint Reader
    • 16GB DDR4, 2400Mhz
    • 512GB PCIe (Not the samsung, think it's a Toshiba)
    • 97WGr, 6-cell lithium Ion battery
    • Nvidia GeForce GTX 1050 - 4GB GDDR5
    • Killer 1535 802.11ac 2X2 Wifi and Bluetooth

    A bit of background. I've been a software developer for a good 15 years and never really had my own laptop. Gaming would have previous have been very high on the agenda and I have a decent desktop rig which is great for that purpose although it is ageing a little. My requirement was for a laptop with a good screen that could play the odd game but be mainly a good development machine.

    I also needed a decent amount of RAM because I run moderately memory hungry apps all at once. Photography is a small hobby so lightroom and other apps would be used.

    IMG_5715.jpg

    So, on to the laptop.

    It's the perfect size for me. The screen is big but the form factor of the laptop does not feel enormous. I did toy with the idea of the 13" device but making the 175% screen scaling lets me still see things clearly whilst fitting a lot on the one screen (eclipse Java development). The screen itself is beautiful it gets nice and bright and the 4K videos do look stunning. However, I'm pretty sure a full HD screen would have done fine and been a bit better in the battery department. The screen is also highly glossy but to be honest it hasn't been that big an issue.

    The keyboard travel is pretty good, it did take me a while to get used to it though. The arrow keys are disappointingly small and they didn't make use of the extra space of the 15" to put in a numeric keypad which is also a bit disappointing. The most annoying part however is no dedicated home/end or pg up/down keys. When doing development you spend a lot of time moving to end of lines and highlighting portions of code and having to hold the function key and press one of the arrow keys is not natural and I still haven't gotten used to it weeks later.

    IMG_5711.jpg

    The touchpad seems to be a touchy subject on the internet with people reporting it being unresponsive or just not granular enough. Personally I think it's fine ... just fine, not spectacular and I don't really have a reference. I have a small wireless mouse that I use when the laptop is on a table and I prefer that. The gestures on the touchpad are brilliant when you remember to use them for changing apps, minimizing everything or even switching desktops.

    It's such a light laptop, I think it comes in around 2Kg. My point of reference is a similar sized PC Specialist laptop in work which weighs a bloody ton. I find I can just pick this up with one hand in work and walk around the office showing people something on the screen.

    The battery life is pretty good considering the 4K screen, it does drain pretty quickly if you have it in performance mode and the brightness all the way up. Most of the time it isn't necessary to have it up all the way and you will gain an extra hour or two.

    IMG_5700.jpg

    Warning: 4K netflix DOES NOT work on this device. It must be some combination of the hardware parts and DRM. i was on to netflix and they said I'm the 2nd person to ever have this issue. They're looking into it but I won't hold my breath. Chrome only plays 720p but the microsoft app and Edge are supposed to support 4K but it comes up with an error when trying to play 4K recorded titles. A little disappointing.

    The speakers are grand, they get good and loud but a little muffled. I have a set of Bose QC 35's that go really well with this so don't really use the speakers that oftern. However when you do need to play something it does get loud enough for multiple people in a small room to be able to hear.

    I can't really comment on the laptop from a gaming point of view. I tried playing Day of Defeat, which is an old half life mod at this stage and to be honest it didn't run very well. I started Skyrim but there seemed to be quite a bit of input lag which was off putting and there is definitely a screen ghosting issue. Most people say this isn't really noticeable but I'm kind of anal about those things and it'll be the only thing I'll see! The input lag could've just been the cheapo mouse I was using but I also tried the touchpad and it didn't seem to respond in-game half the time!

    The touch screen is actually great when you remember it has one. pinch zoom does not scale in Chrome, it actually zooms the website in instead which can be really handy when viewing high res images etc. It can also be handy when just touching links just like a tablet.

    It's a very fast laptop, it could probably load things a little quicker if it had the faster SSD (Samsung) but mine shipped with a Toshiba which isn't as good but does the job just fine. Booting, switching users loading applications all happens within a reasonable timeframe.

    The fingerprint scanner is brilliant. I have my right index finger set up for a home account where I have all my games and Adobe apps etc. Then I have my left index finger setup with my work account for all my development apps. I don't need to choose the user I'm logging in as, it knows based on the finger applied to the scanner. It's also nice and fast.

    IMG_5723.jpg

    Summary

    Overall I'm very happy with the laptop. Apart from bits and pieces that niggle, it's a very good device. I don't seem to be plagued by many of the other problems the people report online such as coil wine and wireless driver issues (I did have problems connecting to work wifi but that router is ****e). It works very well for my purposes, I would say don't buy this laptop if you want to game a lot.

    If anyone has any specific questions, just ask and I'll try to give as much information as I can!

    Top review Slaanesh,
    My main use for this is graphic design (Adobe heavy) and some football manager. Its actually FM thats stopping me from getting a MacBook as it doesnt run well. Currently I have i5 5500U so I do think i7 7700HQ is a huge difference. I dont plan on using it for heavy graphic gaming more processor and ram gaming. Would you recommend it for the price? Literally going to pull the trigger tonight


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭Slaanesh


    I'm not sure on your RAM requirements, depending on what you're doing (high amounts of video or maybe really high res photo editing). I've used lightroom and photoshop and it hasn't had an issue.

    My work PC has 8GB of Ram and it was slowing when running Eclipse, Tomcat application and SQL server. So I have all those things running on the laptop and it takes it all easily!

    It's a great machine, I love it. If you value battery life, the Full HD screen may be sufficient.

    Equivalent Macbook Pro is €3,399!!! I paid €2,146.23 for the XPS, that included a carry bag and a USB-C adapter that has LAN, VGA, HDMI and USB port extensions. Oh and the fingerprint reader.
    Top review Slaanesh,
    My main use for this is graphic design (Adobe heavy) and some football manager. Its actually FM thats stopping me from getting a MacBook as it doesnt run well. Currently I have i5 5500U so I do think i7 7700HQ is a huge difference. I dont plan on using it for heavy graphic gaming more processor and ram gaming. Would you recommend it for the price? Literally going to pull the trigger tonight


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭forzacalcio


    Slaanesh wrote: »
    I'm not sure on your RAM requirements, depending on what you're doing (high amounts of video or maybe really high res photo editing). I've used lightroom and photoshop and it hasn't had an issue.

    My work PC has 8GB of Ram and it was slowing when running Eclipse, Tomcat application and SQL server. So I have all those things running on the laptop and it takes it all easily!

    It's a great machine, I love it. If you value battery life, the Full HD screen may be sufficient.

    Equivalent Macbook Pro is €3,399!!! I paid €2,146.23 for the XPS, that included a carry bag and a USB-C adapter that has LAN, VGA, HDMI and USB port extensions. Oh and the fingerprint reader.

    Just pulled the trigger on this one, without touch and fingerprint. Not required for myself. Many thanks for the review


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,356 ✭✭✭limnam


    You forgot to mention the webcam points up your nose. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,146 ✭✭✭✭Alanstrainor


    Nice review. It's definitely one of the best laptops out there at the minute. I am kind of surprised to hear about your experience with gaming, that doesn't sound right at all. Even my ancient Asus UX32a will do Skyrim without too much bother. So your machine should definitely destroy it really.

    As for the home and end keys, you'll get used the the fn+arrow situation. I'm so used to it now that I don't even think about it when doing any terminal work.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭Slaanesh


    limnam wrote: »
    You forgot to mention the webcam points up your nose. :D

    Haha funny you should stay that. It's a common complaint but i rarely make video calls. Actually made one to my brother about an hour ago. Apart from an obvious double chin from looking down it was grand :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭Slaanesh


    Nice review. It's definitely one of the best laptops out there at the minute. I am kind of surprised to hear about your experience with gaming, that doesn't sound right at all. Even my ancient Asus UX32a will do Skyrim without too much bother. So your machine should definitely destroy it really.

    As for the home and end keys, you'll get used the the fn+arrow situation. I'm so used to it now that I don't even think about it when doing any terminal work.

    I'll have to put it through its paces to see, haven't had a proper chance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,094 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Totally OT but your kitchen looks the business!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭Slaanesh


    ED E wrote: »
    Totally OT but your kitchen looks the business!

    Thanks, newly finished as part of a big refurb. The wife designed it! Don't have any fancy photos, need a wide angle lens!
    IMG_20170827_210132.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭jenno86


    Thanks! Very informative! Just waiting on this to be delivered, was dispatched today!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,070 ✭✭✭sReq | uTeK


    Slaanesh wrote: »
    Thanks, newly finished as part of a big refurb. The wife designed it! Don't have any fancy photos, need a wide angle lens!
    IMG_20170827_210132.jpg

    beautiful kitchen mate from a soon to be fellow XPS user (rose gold :))


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 Bullet1001


    Hi Guys,

    I recently upgraded to the new model of the XPS 15. It looks identical to the last model, but the guts have been updated. Basic specs are:

    • 8th gen i7-8750H Processor (9M Cache, up to 4.1 GHz, 6 Cores)
    • 16GB DDR4-2666MHz
    • 512GB M.2 2280 PCIe Solid State Drive
    • NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1050Ti with 4GB GDDR5
    • 15.6" FHD InfinityEdge Anti-Glare Non-touch IPS
    • 6-Cell 97WHr integrated battery

    I just thought I'd give a quick review based on my experience so far. I'm a developer and although I'm also a gamer, I don't use it for games. It lists at €1799, but I got €200 off by pouncing on a deal. However, that process was tortuous as they unilaterally cancelled the order and wanted me to re-buy at the higher price. Eventually, after creating enough of a stink on social media and after enduring many calls with mostly clueless offshore support agents, I finally got it several weeks after ordering at the lower price. Not a great start, but anyway, here goes:


    The Good:
    1. It looks great with the edge to edge screen. It's also small and light compared to the 15 inch laptop it's replacing.
    2. The screen is great, even if I went for the HD one. No point going for a 4k screen if I wasn't going to need/use it. This gives me extra battery time. I don't use touch either (is on my old laptop and I never used it), so this wasn't an issue.
    3. The battery life is amazing on it, although I have undervolted it (more on that below). I usually get roughly between 12-14 hours out of it, about 3-4 times my old laptop. Must measure this exactly! Note I usually do not have the brightness up very high.
    4. It boots very quickly with the SSD.
    5. Performance is great, as it should be at that price!
    6. It has a couple of type A USB ports, so you don't need dongles.
    7. Despite what I've read, the Killer wi-fi card is great so far and very fast. I thought I'd miss the Ethernet port, but I don't need it. This was not the case on my old laptop, where the wi-fi card was much slower than wired.

    The Bad
    1. The sound is really, really poor on it. Even the beeps from message boxes etc. sound dreadful. There is an app with it that improves audio for watching films, but I read that can damage the crappy speakers if you use it incorrectly for too long. Luckily, you can connect a BlueTooth speaker to it (haven't done that myself yet though).
    2. The keyboard isn't great, but it doesn't seem to miss any key strokes (which has been reported). It's perfectly functional though.
    3. I never use track pads, but I did try out this one. It seemed OK, but they all annoy me!
    4. Because of the edge to edge screen, the webcam is in a dumb place at the bottom of the screen. Be sure to trim your nose hair if you use it regularly!!
    5. If you tax it (e.g. game on it), it will throttle like its predecessor, due to poor thermals. Loads of evidence on-line for this. Although I don't really tax mine, I still undervolted it to minimise the chances of this. It's easier than taking it apart and re-applying thermal paste! Reducing the voltage to the CPU also increases the battery life, although if you try this, please follow on-line instructions carefully.

    Overall

    Overall, I'm very happy with it, although the poor muffled sound on even Windows system sounds is very annoying. I may be able to improve that with some more tinkering, but you shouldn't have to do that on a premium device.



    HTH


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,356 ✭✭✭limnam


    Why did they not want to give you the lower price?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 Bullet1001


    limnam wrote: »
    Why did they not want to give you the lower price?

    I don't know - cancelling orders abruptly & without explanation/discussion seems to be a common thing that Dell does, if web forums are anything to go by. I mean, one of the reasons I was given was a shortage of parts, but had they even asked, I would have waited no problem, as it wasn't an urgent upgrade this time. It seems to me they run deals that last a day or 2 on new releases like this to drum up orders and then try to squirm out of them by unilaterally cancelling them (I only found out that it was cancelled by checking my order status, as I excitedly waited for it to arrive - imagine the disappointment!). Your only recourse then is to reorder, but since the deal has now expired, you have to pay full whack. Very frustrating experience, especially when dealing with clueless offshore support agents who send you around in circles fobbing you off to different departments.

    I was on the verge of taking my business elsewhere (difficult as that is to buy a direct competitor to the XPS here in Ireland!), when I read on-line about complaining on social media. This worked a treat, as they must fear bad publicity more than anything. I have to say their Twitter support team was excellent and I eventually got a call back from the one helpful support agent I talked to on the phone to say they had agreed to sell it to me at the discounted price.

    Just to reiterate - I was not chancing my arm and trying for a discount. I was simply trying to buy the laptop at the price they offered on the website and subsequently refused to honour after cancelling my initial order. Anyway, I finally got the XPS a few weeks later, although the whole process left a bad taste in the mouth.

    Speaking about chancing your arm, I had done that just a few days before the original order and the Dell sales guy said €70 was the most I could get off the list price. Literally 2 days later, they had the deal I signed up for, which was €200 off!


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