AI Senior Hurling- Liam McCarthy Cup 2018

bruschi · 20-07-2018 09:38AM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Remember Brendan Maher in the League s/f this year, connecting with the ball on the ground and being penalized for it. Cost Tipp winning the game in normal time.

First guy to wear a helmet was from Cork, pretty well told story. Had a head injury and got this helmet to wear which was a big ice hockey one I think. Was in the 60s and gradually took off from there.

Con O Callaghan got a booking for Cuala in one of the games they played I remember watching this year. Ball was on the ground and as he pulled on it, his opponent put his leg out over the ball. I think he even connected with the ball, but the ref blew a free and booked him. Terrible decision. Similar to putting your hand up unguarded, dont put yourself in danger, if you stick your leg out on the ball when someone is pulling on it, it shouldnt be a free given then if you connect.

nice_guy80 · 20-07-2018 09:55AM

phkk wrote: »

I must be very old but I'd still maintain there's room for the odd bit of ground hurling in the modern game!!

There's been more ground hurling in this year's championship than in previous years
A clever players knows when to use it

Joe_ Public · 20-07-2018 11:00AM

There will always be a place for ground hurling in the game. The mentality today seems to be get ball to hand as quickly as possible at all costs and it’s probably gone too far. Hurling may be a better spectacle today in lots of ways but the all too frequent rucks with up to 12-13 players scrambling for possession are a bit of a modern eyesore if we’re honest.

Bonniedog · 20-07-2018 11:06AM

A clever player will try to use the stick to take a ball towards himself or a team mate, but % call now is almost always to get the ball to hand. Ground hurling is not even part of most coaching drills I've seen in past ten years.

Tombo2001 · 20-07-2018 11:17AM

As a neutral - looking to go with the kids to one of the AI semis; am thinking Galway Clare as the AI champs are playing. Am guessing both are expected to be good close matches, so its a toss up as to which might be a better game?

Tks.

letowski · 20-07-2018 11:28AM

Tombo2001 wrote:

As a neutral - looking to go with the kids to one of the AI semis; am thinking Galway Clare as the AI champs are playing. Am guessing both are expected to be good close matches, so its a toss up as to which might be a better game?

They should be both very good games, hurling folk are very much looking forward to both games. I think most people have the Cork and Limerick game as a tough one to call, while Galway would be the majority favourites in the other one. I think if your choosing, maybe think about what players you would like to see: Canning, Kelly, Horgan, Lynch, etc. Cant go wrong with whichever game you choose!

MfMan · 20-07-2018 12:05PM

letowski wrote: »

They should be both very good games, hurling folk are very much looking forward to both games. I think most people have the Cork and Limerick game as a tough one to call, while Galway would be the majority favourites in the other one. I think if your choosing, maybe think about what players you would like to see: Canning, Kelly, Horgan, Lynch, etc. Cant go wrong with whichever game you choose!

All true GAA fans should see 'Mecca' Canning play 'live' at least once in their lives.

:D

kala85 · 20-07-2018 12:12PM

Will there be much of an attendance at the hurling semi finals

Clareman · 20-07-2018 12:27PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

There were some particularly bad examples of that when Cuala played Mellowes. Callaghan and at least one Mellowes player were booked for pulling on the ball Should be easy enough to see if a player is genuinely playing the ball and pulling late or high to cause injury.

Another thing that jumped out from the 1994 final was amount of lads with gashes to the head. None of them were wearing helmets, so even though I gave up when they became mandatory - not from any Rock like machismo but because I just couldn't get used to the heat and restricted vision - they are a good idea.

Anyone remember when lads started to wear them? I have vague memories of some Kilkenny players including perhaps Keher who was regular target for head shots, wearing them in the 70s. I know that some Dublin players did, including the great Joey Towell a prolific goal scorer who was constant target of assassins at club and county.

I remember at underage that if you spotted a goalie wearing a helmet that he was a coward so you had to stay at the edge of the square for the whole match
:pac::pac:

I says · 20-07-2018 12:39PM

Clareman wrote: »

I remember at underage that if you spotted a goalie wearing a helmet that he was a coward so you had to stay at the edge of the square for the whole match
:pac::pac:

And the roar from the sideline “come out ta meet him” was for full back to plant opposing centre foward if he turned you’re centre back.
A strategic foul it would be called today

Slieve Gullion · 20-07-2018 01:27PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

That it? Go on tell me all about how Cork sway Refs?

That's just the way it is. Cork always going back the decades got match winning favourable decisions more so against Limerick than any other county. Refuse to accept that and you might as well admit you live on planet Pluto.

Mushy · 20-07-2018 01:33PM

If talking about ground hurling, people should seek the video of a Wicklow point this year. Pulled on it from about 50 yards out, over the bar.

The_Kew_Tour · 20-07-2018 01:36PM

Slieve Gullion wrote: »

That's just the way it is. Cork always going back the decades got match winning favourable decisions more so against Limerick than any other county. Refuse to accept that and you might as well admit you live on planet Pluto.

Name these times?

Slieve Gullion · 20-07-2018 01:42PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Name these times?

No I won't. Hurling people know and that's all that matters.

Gentleman Off The Pitch · 20-07-2018 01:46PM

quod erat demonstrandum

The_Kew_Tour · 20-07-2018 01:56PM

Slieve Gullion wrote: »

No I won't. Hurling people know and that's all that matters.

Name 1? If you can

topnotch · 20-07-2018 02:22PM

What a bluffer:rolleyes:

irishfeen · 20-07-2018 03:31PM

Slieve Gullion wrote: »

That's just the way it is. Cork always going back the decades got match winning favourable decisions more so against Limerick than any other county. Refuse to accept that and you might as well admit you live on planet Pluto.

I have heard some shït in my life but Christ almighty..

Powerhouse · 20-07-2018 03:50PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Name 1? If you can

“Name one” is always a dodgy gambit in such arguments. Tomas Mulcahy knowingly carried the ball about 15 steps against Limerick before scoring a goal in the 1992 Munster Final making it look as if he was soloing. He laughed st this years later on television. It’s a long time ago but like I said nailing someone to just one example is setting impossible standard for yourself.

The_Kew_Tour · 20-07-2018 03:59PM

Powerhouse wrote: »

“Name one” is always a dodgy gambit in such arguments. Tomas Mulcahy knowingly carried the ball about 15 steps against Limerick before scoring a goal in the 1992 Munster Final making it look as if he was soloing. He laughed st this years later on television. It’s a long time ago but like I said nailing someone to just one example is setting impossible standard for yourself.

Well by all accounts its every game Cork play Limerick.

And sure every 'Hurling fan' knows it.

I was at at that game in 1992. The better team won

threeball · 20-07-2018 05:45PM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

As a neutral - looking to go with the kids to one of the AI semis; am thinking Galway Clare as the AI champs are playing. Am guessing both are expected to be good close matches, so its a toss up as to which might be a better game?

Tks.

I'd go for the limerick cork game if I were you. There was literally nothing between them last time out and I'd expect a very close game. The Galway game could also be great but less likely to be so than the other match.

terryrogers · 20-07-2018 08:50PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Name 1? If you can

I would say that 2013 drawn AI final was one of the strongest examples of Cork having a 16th man on the field. Only for the equalising point the ref would have gotten roasted afterwards. However it would be futile to debate this topic with a Cork man as there would naturally be partial opinions.

It would be hard to argue against Corks "swaying power" though with Pat Horgans overturned red card of the same year. I'm not sure if any other county board could have successfully overturned a clear breach of the rules (admittedly it was a harsh red card but an undeniable infringement all the same). And I'm fairly sure you wouldn't see exceptions made to rules in any other sport in the world. Q.E.D ;-)

Bonniedog · 20-07-2018 09:02PM

JBM was definitely a factor in getting Dwyer yellow carded in first few minutes of semi final in 2013 which eventually led to his sending off. In fairness Rushie was lucky to stay on the field a short time later.

Wouldn't see Cork as getting any more favours than anyone else. Have seen Cody close up in action and he is intimidating presence, but he is usually mad over decisions that went against them, rather than bullying officials into doing what he wants.

Reffing this year has been good overall, with exception of a few messes like the incident in the Waterford game but that was down to umpire incompetence not the ref who couldn't possibly have seen it.

The_Kew_Tour · 20-07-2018 09:22PM

terryrogers wrote: »

I would say that 2013 drawn AI final was one of the strongest examples of Cork having a 16th man on the field. Only for the equalising point the ref would have gotten roasted afterwards. However it would be futile to debate this topic with a Cork man as there would naturally be partial opinions.

It would be hard to argue against Corks "swaying power" though with Pat Horgans overturned red card of the same year. I'm not sure if any other county board could have successfully overturned a clear breach of the rules (admittedly it was a harsh red card but an undeniable infringement all the same). And I'm fairly sure you wouldn't see exceptions made to rules in any other sport in the world. Q.E.D ;-)

He was on about Limerick v Cork but if you have go back 5 years then I don't think Cork sway that much as some imagine

Realt Dearg Sec · 20-07-2018 09:40PM

Whinging about refs supposedly playing favourites with one county over another is textbook loser talk. If you are going on about a supposed history of one-sided reffing in matches between your county and Cork (regardless of your ability to provide even a single example), then you've a loser's mentality. Remarkable thing to be bringing up when you're in with probably your best shout of an All Ireland in over a decade.

terryrogers · 20-07-2018 10:01PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Whinging about refs supposedly playing favourites with one county over another is textbook loser talk. If you are going on about a supposed history of one-sided reffing in matches between your county and Cork (regardless of your ability to provide even a single example), then you've a loser's mentality. Remarkable thing to be bringing up when you're in with probably your best shout of an All Ireland in over a decade.

Well my county is no longer in this year's championship so don't blame me for succumbing to loser talk. I promise I will adopt winner talk next year ;-)

Realt Dearg Sec · 20-07-2018 10:13PM

terryrogers wrote: »

Well my county is no longer in this year's championship so don't blame me for succumbing to loser talk. I promise I will adopt winner talk next year ;-)

Oh I wasn't referring to you! I was referring to the person who raised the subject in the first place.

It's not really about complaining about an individual refereeing decision for me. I'm sure we've all done it. But there's a few things that I think just come across as loser talk: one is feeling that over a very long time, your team gets the short end of the stick in refereeing decisions against another team. Especially when you have no evidence at all for this, but either way, it's pathetic. Another is continuing to complain about a particular decision years after it happened (cf. Tipp people going on about 09, Wexford people, more than two decades later, still adding steps to DJ's goal).

Joe_ Public · 20-07-2018 10:45PM

Funny, only time I hear 09 mentioned these days is when Kilkenny folk mention how often Tipp folk mention it. That said, agree fully with the point being made.

Gentleman Off The Pitch · 20-07-2018 10:51PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Funny, only time I hear 09 mentioned these days is when Kilkenny folk mention how often Tipp folk mention it. That said, agree fully with the point being made.

Funny, I've heard and seen it been mentioned numerous times since the Limerick vs Kilkenny match, as a reason why Kilkenny supporters can never complain about refereeing desicions

Joe_ Public · 20-07-2018 11:23PM

Don’t know. Guess I mustn’t be hanging around the right places. Or is that the wrong places?

AI Senior Hurling- Liam McCarthy Cup 2018

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