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  • #482
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Blocking puberty is reversible so yes I am perfectly fine with it. It gives the person a chance to explore their own identity. If they decide at a later stage they are not trans then fair enough. They can just go through dlightly delayed puberty.

    What trials have been done to ascertain this? Here’s the problem: you can’t ethically test this. No human should be offered up as a guinea pig to test this theory. I seriously doubt that you can reverse the blocking of puberty without doing damage. There’s a short window for development of secondary sex characteristics and it should be uninterrupted.


  • #483
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    P_1 wrote:
    Ultimately the decision is and bloody well should be down to the individual

    Yeah... adults.

    At 16, you can't drink, smoke, have sex, join the army etc and their body's are still naturally developing.

    I wonder would you be happy for young teens to be able to make any other life changing decisions against the wish of their parents


  • #484
    Malayalam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Malayalam


    _Whimsical_ wrote: »
    Even if they were physically reversible in so far as you can stop taking them and let the bodies natural testosterone/oestrogen production kick in, their use still seems very ill-advised to me.

    If a young teens body, mind and consequently social experience are left suspended in physical childhood without the body and mind changes puberty brings, how can they decide that living in an adult body of the sex they were born in is not for them?

    Puberty isn't an easy time for anyone but it starts an appreciation of things your body can do that you couldn't have dreamt of, pleasure it can bring you, the attention it inspires in others, the excitement of being attracted to someone and someone attracted to you,the changes in your social experience that creates.
    What child can comprehend any of that and decide to block puberty?? What teenager who hasn't experienced any of it because they've been on the medication by 16 can reject the future their body holds for them?

    How can we let children who don't know what their lives or bodies will be make such drastic decisions that will set them on course for surgeries, a life of never quite fitting it, a life of finding it very difficult to find an excepting partner? It's just crazy.


    The inhibition of sexual function and pleasure is one of the big question marks with pubertal blockers. For a start there is a significant body of people countering that these children are homosexual and are being led away from that expression. And then the experience of puberty changes people so enormously as you said, and might be a huge factor in trans children desisting. But also there are discussions on how atrophied vaginas and penises in trans children (because that is the physical result of these chemicals - pelvic pain from atrophied uterus, dry and itchy vaginas from lack of oestregen, bacterial infections, child-sized penis in adulthood, etc.) taking hormones are having an impact on their ability to experience pleasure and sexual function in their teenage lives at all - and what affect that has cognitively and emotionally on the developing young person.
    I just do not know how they can even be considered as a treatment for gender dysphoria in childhood.


  • #485
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Yeah... adults.

    At 16, you can't drink, smoke, have sex, join the army etc and their body's are still naturally developing.

    I wonder would you be happy for young teens to be able to make any other life changing decisions against the wish of their parents

    16 is not a young teen. Why don't you tell that to my friend who is still suicidal as a result of their transphobic sheet of a mother who refused to allow her start her transition and promptly kicked her out at 17


  • #486
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    P_1 wrote:
    16 is not a young teen. Why don't you tell that to my friend who is still suicidal as a result of their transphobic sheet of a mother who refused to allow her start her transition and promptly kicked her out at 17

    Because I don't know her. And I have no idea whether they wanted to kill themselves because they were trans or because their mother was horrible. Your anecdote proves absolutely nothing.

    And 16 is a young teen.


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  • #487
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    P_1 wrote: »
    16 is not a young teen. Why don't you tell that to my friend who is still suicidal as a result of their transphobic sheet of a mother who refused to allow her start her transition and promptly kicked her out at 17

    Are you sure she's not suicidal as a result of being mental?



    Mod: Banned


  • #488
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Because I don't know her. And I have no idea whether they wanted to kill themselves because they were trans or because their mother was horrible. Your anecdote proves absolutely nothing.

    And 16 is a young teen.

    13 is a young teen. 16 is not


  • #489
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Bambi wrote: »
    Are you sure she's not suicidal as a result of being mental?

    Seriously poor form. Disappointed in you


  • #490
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    P_1 wrote:
    13 is a young teen. 16 is not

    13 is indeed a young teen. As is 16. Most 16 year olds are incapable of making adult decisions. I'd class them as young teens. But sure definitions are evidently pliable as long as it fits your narrative.


  • #491
    Will I Am Not
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    P_1 wrote: »
    16 is not a young teen. Why don't you tell that to my friend who is still suicidal as a result of their transphobic sheet of a mother who refused to allow her start her transition and promptly kicked her out at 17

    My wife’s cousin is in a psychiatric ward because her mother is a c*nt too.


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  • #492
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Blocking puberty is reversible so yes I am perfectly fine with it. It gives the person a chance to explore their own identity. If they decide at a later stage they are not trans then fair enough. They can just go through dlightly delayed puberty.

    Ah sure, you can just press pause on normal development and then carry on just like that if you change your mind.

    No, that's not true, and it's a dangerous lie being pushed by trans activists. The truth is they don't know and there is plenty of evidence of long term health effects. It's a recipe for disaster to prescribe this drug to kids on a large scale. But hey, starting kids on it will more than likely result in a person needing pharmaceutical intervention for the rest of their lives so the pharma companies are happy at least

    https://www.statnews.com/2017/02/02/lupron-puberty-children-health-problems/


    https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/new-report-describes-dangers-of-giving-lupron-to-kids-020317.html


  • #493
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    but sure if gender is fluid, why go through the difficulties, dangers and expense of giving children drugs? they might fluid right back to the previous gender any minute.


  • #494
    Atoms for Peace
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Atoms for Peace


    I member watching the Louis theory documentary on kids in the States being fed a cocktail of drugs to keep them "normal" in the eyes of their parents. Seems to me to be something similar going with regards to this topic.


  • #495
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,223 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Deleted User wrote: »
    That is one of the most incredible and absolutely insane comments I have ever seen on this topic.

    Blocking the body of a child from developing to allow them to "explore their identity" is dangerous, negligent and disgusting.

    To be honest I think that forcing them to go through puberty against their express wishes, forcing them to identify as something they claim they don't and seriously harming their mental health in the process of all that is dangerous, negligent and disgusting.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #496
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Joeytheparrot wrote:
    To be honest I think that forcing them to go through puberty against their express wishes, forcing them to identify as something they claim they don't and seriously harming their mental health in the process of all that is dangerous, negligent and disgusting.


    Then I hope you never become a parent or are ever allowed bring up a child.

    You don't force a child to go through puberty. Its a natural bodily function that everyone goes through. It is not, nor should be a choice.

    Attitudes like yours are what cause people to say that trans people or their "allies " shouldn't be allowed adopt or have children. Thankfully I know not all trans people are so abhorrent in their views to children so don't share that view.

    Disgusting.

    Mod-Banned


  • #497
    Will I Am Not
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    Forcing a child to go through puberty? F*cking wow!!!


  • #498
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Will I Am Not wrote: »
    Forcing a child to go through puberty? F*cking wow!!!

    Child doesn't want to go through puberty. It's medically possible for the child not to go through puberty. Parent says "no, you'll go through puberty, whether you like it or not" = parent forcing child to go through puberty against their wishes. Agree or disagree with the parent's decision, whatever, but they are forcing the child to go through puberty.


  • #499
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Hapax Legomenon wrote:
    Child doesn't want to go through puberty. It's medically possible for the child not to go through puberty. Parent says "no, you'll go through puberty, whether you like it or not" = parent forcing child to go through puberty against their wishes. Agree or disagree with the parent's decision, whatever, but they are forcing the child to go through puberty.

    If a child doesn't want to go to school... Should we force them?


  • #500
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If a child doesn't want to go to school... Should we force them?

    Not before finding out what the problem is.


  • #501
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    To be honest I think that forcing them to go through puberty against their express wishes, forcing them to identify as something they claim they don't and seriously harming their mental health in the process of all that is dangerous, negligent and disgusting.

    And there's me thinking it was the normal, natural development of a human being....seems I was wrong!!!


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  • #502
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Hapax Legomenon wrote: »
    Child doesn't want to go through puberty. It's medically possible for the child not to go through puberty. Parent says "no, you'll go through puberty, whether you like it or not" = parent forcing child to go through puberty against their wishes. Agree or disagree with the parent's decision, whatever, but they are forcing the child to go through puberty.

    Child, who would not legally be allowed make the decision to drive, vote, have sex, get a tattoo,
    drink, smoke etc , doesn't want to go through puberty. Parents say ok and put said child on an untested drug used to treat cancer in adults and used off label on children which has indications of several long term and life changing effects. That is an example of good parenting? Crazy


  • #503
    Malayalam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Malayalam


    Hapax Legomenon wrote: »
    Child doesn't want to go through puberty. It's medically possible for the child not to go through puberty. Parent says "no, you'll go through puberty, whether you like it or not" = parent forcing child to go through puberty against their wishes. Agree or disagree with the parent's decision, whatever, but they are forcing the child to go through puberty.

    It's medically possible to be blinded, rendered deaf, have limbs removed, be paralysed, sterilised, induced into a coma, etc etc - just because it is possible does not make it ethical.

    Meh, I just don't know what to say to this kind of thinking anymore. It's very tiring.


  • #504
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,853 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Would you let your children make all their own decisions and never go against their wishes?


  • #505
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Caitlyn is stunning and brave.

    Any who disagree are bigots



    Buckle up buckaroos!


    Mod-banned and disgusting picture redacted.


  • #506
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Will I Am Not wrote: »
    Forcing a child to go through puberty? F*cking wow!!!

    I'm forced to take a piss about 8 times per day


  • #507
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Hapax Legomenon wrote: »
    Child doesn't want to go through puberty. It's medically possible for the child not to go through puberty. Parent says "no, you'll go through puberty, whether you like it or not" = parent forcing child to go through puberty against their wishes. Agree or disagree with the parent's decision, whatever, but they are forcing the child to go through puberty.

    Changing a nappy without explicit consent from the child is rape.

    Any who disagree are literally Hitler.


  • #508
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    I'm forced to take a piss about 8 times per day

    Well, stand up for yourself and say 'No!'.

    Soiling yourself is stunning and brave.


  • #509
    siblers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,804 ✭✭✭✭siblers


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    To be honest I think that forcing them to go through puberty against their express wishes, forcing them to identify as something they claim they don't and seriously harming their mental health in the process of all that is dangerous, negligent and disgusting.

    I've read some nonsense on here but what you said is top of the pile. Forcing a child to go through puberty? Seriously, you think if a child doesn't want to go through puberty, they shouldn't have to? What happens when they are an adult?

    Where is the line?

    If the same child refused to go to school, refuses to wipe their ass, refuses to brush their teeth, refuses to work..is that disgusting of the parent not to grand their child the same "privelge"


    Allow their child to not go through puberty...what a crock of ****ing ****


  • #510
    Malayalam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Malayalam


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    Well, stand up for yourself and say 'No!'.

    Soiling yourself is stunning and brave.

    Haha don't know why but that last sentence is making me laugh out loud in a silly way... :D


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  • #511
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Child, who would not legally be allowed make the decision to drive, vote, have sex, get a tattoo,
    drink, smoke etc , doesn't want to go through puberty. Parents say ok and put said child on an untested drug used to treat cancer in adults and used off label on children which has indications of several long term and life changing effects. That is an example of good parenting? Crazy
    Malayalam wrote: »
    It's medically possible to be blinded, rendered deaf, have limbs removed, be paralysed, sterilised, induced into a coma, etc etc - just because it is possible does not make it ethical.

    Meh, I just don't know what to say to this kind of thinking anymore. It's very tiring.
    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    Changing a nappy without explicit consent from the child is rape.

    Any who disagree are literally Hitler.

    Did any of you read my post?


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