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Calhoun · 12-07-2018 03:23PM

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Why are people so obsessed with transgender issues? I mean we are talking about an almost vanishingly small subset of the population. So small that many of us may go through our lives without ever crossing paths with a trans individual. Yet there is a vocal and angry group of people on Boards, and elsewhere, who are not trans, have no trans relatives, have no reason whatsoever to be bothered, that literally cannot let a day pass without commenting on trans people?

I would say a big part of it has to do what folk are observing happening in other jurisdictions and also how for such a small vanishing population they seem to be trying to inject themselves into the mainstream but also change it at the to suit themselves.

They then want as a small vanishing group to have the right to say how children on a whole are being thought and raised, and fairly innocent things that have come before are wrong.

You also then have the toxic part of the trans side, on this thread alone we have people talking about trans people threatening rape against feminists because they don't recognize them.

This is a good one, illustrating case in point https://medium.com/@transvoicesforrepeal/trans-voices-for-repeal-call-on-the-together-for-yes-campaign-to-formally-apologise-to-trans-people-84931f0fa85d

Wibbs · 12-07-2018 03:37PM

Calhoun wrote: »

This is a good one, illustrating case in point https://medium.com/@transvoicesforrepeal/trans-voices-for-repeal-call-on-the-together-for-yes-campaign-to-formally-apologise-to-trans-people-84931f0fa85d

They get thoroughly lambasted in the comments at the bottom. Rightfully. So most people see the nutters for what they are, even if they have an overall genuine sympathy for transexuals.

Calhoun · 12-07-2018 03:42PM

Wibbs wrote: »

They get thoroughly lambasted in the comments at the bottom. Rightfully. So most people see the nutters for what they are, even if they have an overall genuine sympathy for transexuals.

Look at the claps though, even though they are getting lambasted they are also getting claps from trans folk.

hatrickpatrick · 12-07-2018 03:59PM

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Why are people so obsessed with transgender issues? I mean we are talking about an almost vanishingly small subset of the population. So small that many of us may go through our lives without ever crossing paths with a trans individual. Yet there is a vocal and angry group of people on Boards, and elsewhere, who are not trans, have no trans relatives, have no reason whatsoever to be bothered, that literally cannot let a day pass without commenting on trans people?

Because a minority of radical leftists are trying to literally redefine language to be totally counter-intuitive and essentially unusable to actually define the world we live in.

I refer again to this graphic:

It's this kind of crap which is driving the debate. There's a very vocal minority of idiots out there who, for instance, actually suggest that people don't have the right to consent to sex or not based on the biological sex of their prospective partner, and that they're somehow bad people if they choose to do so. They're a minority, but they're trying to redefine how society talks about human biology in such a way as to limit peoples' freedom of choice.

wexie · 12-07-2018 04:05PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I generally try to be respectful of other people and to live my life in such a way that I have as little negative and as much positive impact on people as I can....

But I genuinely don't know how I would respond in a respectful way to someone telling me that I would just have to accept these particular frank'n'beans cause they're a woman's frank'n'beans and that not doing so makes me transphobic.

That's entirely too much crazy for me to be able to deal with.

_Whimsical_ · 12-07-2018 04:19PM

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Why are people so obsessed with transgender issues? I mean we are talking about an almost vanishingly small subset of the population. So small that many of us may go through our lives without ever crossing paths with a trans individual. Yet there is a vocal and angry group of people on Boards, and elsewhere, who are not trans, have no trans relatives, have no reason whatsoever to be bothered, that literally cannot let a day pass without commenting on trans people?

Because we are not talking about the tiny subsection of the population who are trans individuals, the vast majority of us wish them no harm at all and hope for their right to live peacefully and happily.

Most people talking about it are concerned about the mounting cultural framework developing to foster an ideology that undermines the biology and experience of 99% of the world's population and lays the groundwork both legally and medically to have us abandon our concept of ourselves as male or female and for small children to have their normal developmental experience perverted into something that can derail every aspect of their lives.

It's slowly eroding our right to be women and men, for example a recent public health campaign encouraging women to go for smear testing in the UK was targetted as "inviting any person with a cervix" to attend clinics so as not to be prejudiced. It's reported in the Irish Times that there is presently some concern in Ireland that our abortion legislation which refers to the pregnant woman might be considered to be isolating the trans community due to its use of the word "woman".

We aren't talking about something that only affects a tiny minority here, this affects all of us, our right to acknowledge the facts of our biology, the right to live somewhere that a small child can play lego one minute and ballerina next without being labeled or finding themselves on hormones.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 12-07-2018 04:44PM

The issue of compelled speech is also a factor.

This is what the likes of Jordan Peterson speaks out about.

Where laws are enacted to coerce people to use certain words. The 70 odd gender pronouns in this case.

This has even spread to the likes of NYC where massive fines can be imposed.

Where does this type of thing end? It's a dangerous rabbit hole to go down.

Lil Sally Anne Jnr. · 12-07-2018 05:41PM

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Why are people so obsessed with transgender issues?

Because the wider conversation involves a discernible agenda which includes the diminution of childhood and it's violation by adult sexuality and commercialism. When this agenda is eulogized on mainstream platforms like TED, morning television, or popular documentaries, I think you can easily understand why people kick back.

Also, as evidenced in this thread, many people confuse Trans rights with Feminism, and they are very different things. Feminism, for better or worse, is a resistance movement with many things in common with the wider socialist resistance. The mainstream Trans movement so far as it exists on social media at least, is in essence, socially conservative.

As a side note, at a social event recently I randomly met one of the most bigoted, hostile, self righteous and unpleasant people I've ever met. This person was Trans. I know it wasn't anything I said because I couldn't get a word in edge ways. Obviously this person is not representative of Trans people, but don't make the mistake that I did of thinking that these toxic people and ideas only exist on American college campuses.

Live and let live by all means, but there needs to be a deep and careful discussion of how we want our children educated and raised.

Star Bingo · 12-07-2018 06:24PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkPALneB_k4

uck51js9zml2yt · 12-07-2018 06:28PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Because a minority of radical leftists are trying to literally redefine language to be totally counter-intuitive and essentially unusable to actually define the world we live in.

I refer again to this graphic:

It's this kind of crap which is driving the debate. There's a very vocal minority of idiots out there who, for instance, actually suggest that people don't have the right to consent to sex or not based on the biological sex of their prospective partner, and that they're somehow bad people if they choose to do so. They're a minority, but they're trying to redefine how society talks about human biology in such a way as to limit peoples' freedom of choice.

Why did you make me read that snippet? It's nuts! Do we have enough psychiatric hospitals for people who deny reality or is this just another example of care in the community?

TheValeyard · 12-07-2018 06:51PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Because a minority of radical leftists are trying to literally redefine language to be totally counter-intuitive and essentially unusable to actually define the world we live in.

I refer again to this graphic:

It's this kind of crap which is driving the debate. There's a very vocal minority of idiots out there who, for instance, actually suggest that people don't have the right to consent to sex or not based on the biological sex of their prospective partner, and that they're somehow bad people if they choose to do so. They're a minority, but they're trying to redefine how society talks about human biology in such a way as to limit peoples' freedom of choice.

Dyr · 12-07-2018 06:53PM

EdgeCase wrote: »

My view of it is that as a society we actually place way, way, way too much stress on gender differences

In comparison to what?

12-07-2018 08:52PM

Can I identify as being thin and then sue penneys for making me feel bad that they force me to be in a large?

Nermal · 12-07-2018 09:43PM

I note the IT today with a glowing profile of a doctor who performs gender 'affirmation' surgery...

Calhoun · 12-07-2018 09:52PM

Anyone remember this from last year https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/13/pc-criticised-warning-feminine-care-supermarket-signs-sexist/

DEFTLEFTHAND · 12-07-2018 09:58PM

Calhoun wrote: »

Anyone remember this from last year https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/13/pc-criticised-warning-feminine-care-supermarket-signs-sexist/

Big corporations tend to cave in immediately when such ridiculous issues arise.

They might be better served in the long run by drawing a line in the sand and saying the word no more often.

suicide_circus · 12-07-2018 10:00PM

the only time gender is strictly binary is when it's a transgender person who is definitely 100% born in the wrong body.

Calhoun · 12-07-2018 10:05PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Big corporations tend to cave in immediately when such ridiculous issues arise.

They might be better served in the long run by drawing a line in the sand and saying the word no more often.

Indeed but it just shows why people are so concerned about the small minority so to speak.

BattleCorp · 13-07-2018 07:58AM

EdgeCase wrote: »

It's noteworthy that upper class men and women conformed to those stereotypes far less than working class and even middle classes. You'd see powerful women doing interesting things (eg many of the first aviation enthusiasts, car racing in the 1920s, huntswomen etc etc) and far more flouncing about men who engaged in arts and cultural activities who came from privileged classes who were able to step outside those norms because they were top of the tree.

Money is the reason for what you are talking about above. You need financial clout to go 'flouncing about'.

Most poor women in the 1920's were more interested in how they could feed themselves and their family than car racing. Same for poor men.

The Bishop Basher · 13-07-2018 10:59AM

EdgeCase wrote: »

My view of it is that as a society we actually place way, way, way too much stress on gender differences and accentuate them enormously. It shouldn’t really make any difference, in practical and social terms whether you’re male or female, but it still does in many cases.

Why ?

I don't understand this drive to make us all the same. Why can't we celebrate gender differences instead of pretending they don't exist. Why does the biological fact that we're fundamentally different, have to be a problem, especially given that we complement each other in so many ways.

Why can't we just be what we are

EdgeCase wrote: »

I'd prefer a society where everyone felt comfortable in their own skin. I don't think we are anywhere near that yet. We are going the right direction but we are still only traveling along the journey.

Are we ?

I think it's safe to say that most of us want a world where everyone feels comfortable in their own skin but that's neither realistic nor possible for such a "vanishingly tiny subset of the population" especially when they demand so much change to societal norms from the other 99.5%.

And I'm not sure what you envisage the end point of this journey to look like but it can't involve the kind of nonsense being forced down our throats at the moment because it is just that, utter nonsense much of the time and it's impinging on our rights to bring up our own children as we see fit. That won't wash with the 99.5%.

Lil Sally Anne Jnr. wrote: »

but there needs to be a deep and careful discussion of how we want our children educated and raised.

Again, why ?

These all sound like great soundbites to keep the SJW's happy but I don't see any reason to discuss how we want to educate and raise our children when the vast vast majority of us are quite happy with the way we currently raise and educate our children.

Calhoun · 14-07-2018 08:51PM

Interesting to see all the drama from the LGBT community on Scarlett Johanson's role cast as a trans person.

Shows the hypocrisy of all this crap, as equal as we all are only trans people can be cast in trans roles apparently.

Seems equality is only a one way street.

The Rape of Lucretia · 14-07-2018 09:07PM

Calhoun wrote: »

Interesting to see all the drama from the LGBT community on Scarlett Johanson's role cast as a trans person.

She has withdrawn at least.

Some industries are less scrupulous. I was at a performance of Don Giovanni last year and there was an oriental man playing the role of Don Ottavio. While the show went ahead, needless to say, everyone was outraged. The applause for him at the end was, shall we say, 'polite', verging on muted even though his voice was perfectly satisfactory. But it's set in fourteenth century Spain fss. It isnt as if there arent enough European opera singers perfectly capable of playing the role. How they got away with such brazen discrimination against caucasian singers in favour of that guy, I dont know.

pjohnson · 14-07-2018 09:13PM

Calhoun wrote: »

Interesting to see all the drama from the LGBT community on Scarlett Johanson's role cast as a trans person.

Shows the hypocrisy of all this crap, as equal as we all are only trans people can be cast in trans roles apparently.

Seems equality is only a one way street.

Johanson would have attracted people to the movie so that ya know people would learn about the issues or whatever, but instead go for an unknown to ensure no one watches it :pac:

Dyr · 14-07-2018 09:20PM

Gender is an arbitrary construct which can chang...Whooa bitch!! You can't play a man!!

It's pretty surreal, these people are like a liberal version of the taliban

Calhoun · 14-07-2018 09:26PM

Bambi wrote: »

Gender is an arbitrary construct which can chang...Whooa bitch!! You can't play a man!!

It's pretty surreal, these people are like a liberal version of the taliban

Some sort of LGBT cultural appropriation going on from Scarlet, how dare she apply for a role and get it :P.

Its absolutely crazy the double standards.

BattleCorp · 14-07-2018 10:05PM

Calhoun wrote: »

Interesting to see all the drama from the LGBT community on Scarlett Johanson's role cast as a trans person.

Shows the hypocrisy of all this crap, as equal as we all are only trans people can be cast in trans roles apparently.

Seems equality is only a one way street.

She should have told them all to 'fcuk off'. This kind of bolloxology isn't doing trans people any favours.

Calhoun · 14-07-2018 10:11PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

She should have told them all to 'fcuk off'. This kind of bolloxology isn't doing trans people any favours.

She did but they reacted even worse.

BattleCorp · 14-07-2018 10:20PM

Calhoun wrote: »

She did but they reacted even worse.

Then she should have stuck to her guns.

Calhoun · 14-07-2018 10:23PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Then she should have stuck to her guns.

You and I both know in the current state of America she had to drop it, or it could have impacted her career long term.

The small vanishing minority as another poster put it are very vengeful.

ceadaoin. · 16-07-2018 05:26PM

The singer Alison Moyet has been hounded off Twitter after receiving tons of abuse for daring to call herself a woman, rather than a "cis woman". Strangely enough, I've yet to see a man abused and criticised for referring to themselves as a man, or saying that they they prefer their sexual partners to be whatever biological sex. The vitriol and shaming is only ever aimed at women. Such progress. How can anyone defend this nonsense?

You can identify as anything you want these days, except as a woman. Consider what happened to British singer Alison Moyet. Last week, on Twitter, she said she didn’t want to be known as a cis-woman, just as a woman. ‘I defend everyone’s right to have the pronoun that they choose and will honour it’, she diplomatically said. And ‘I do not choose Cis for mine’, she continued. ‘It took women like me long enough to own the title “woman” in the first place. It’s a long enough word for me.’ The response to this calm, clear, polite act of self-definition? Fury. And insult. And abuse. On such a voluble level that Moyet eventually recanted her linguistic heresy, deleted her tweet, and left Twitter.

What happened to Moyet for her rejection of the cis tag is a depressing sign of the times. She was mocked, ridiculed, accused of stoking hatred of trans people. She was bombarded with stern, abusive tweets.

http://spiked-online.com/newsite/article/trans-activism-is-now-just-misogyny-in-drag#.W0zFZGhlA0N

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