Hyundai is now the most reliable car maker

unkel wrote: »

Faulty clutch = faulty driver

Don't blame your tools for your incompetence...

In my 32 years of driving (much of it old bangers), I've never had to change a clutch

I don't drive a Hyundai nor have I ever burnt out a clutch. Hyundai clutches are the highest proportionate seller in motor factors at the moment.

unkel wrote: »

Faulty clutch = faulty driver

Don't blame your tools for your incompetence...

In my 32 years of driving (much of it old bangers), I've never had to change a clutch

A clutch enabled Hyundai would be your first...

unkel wrote: »

The good news is that electric cars don't have clutches. They are a thing of the past. Even the likes of Ferrari hasn't made any car with a clutch or a manual gearbox for several years now and they will never do so again

I'm looking forward to teaching my oldest child (14) to drive in the next few years. In an automatic, electric car :cool: Charged up mostly with the wind and the sun

You should all get with the program too, lads. This is the future.

(I still have a manual sports car though for occasional use, I am making no excuses for that )

clutches are not an unreliable tech. Some hyundai clutches are - due to poor design.
Your rant re nobody fitting a clutch anymore is a bit fanboyish...... hyundai can't produce a good clutch..... ah who needs clutches.
I also think it would be a disservice to teach someone to drive an eV only given the tiny market penetration currently.
Also how are you charging your car, have you your own solar and wind generators?

Do EV car purchase contracts come with a requirement to proclaim the eV as the best thing ever at all times.
Madlad Had a similar posting style while driving a leaf.... It was the best car ever, the only car anyone would ever need, regularly suggesting a leaf to everyone who started a what car thread, whether they were looking for a super car or a run around. Range was never an issue etc. When he sold the leaf, it was then clear that it wasn't the best thing ever. Loyalty then changes to his latest eV where now an eV with back up petrol power is the answer.
Seriously, I'm wondering if you all get paid to promote these while you own them.

mickdw wrote: »

I'm wondering if you all get paid to promote these while you own them.

It's a physiological psychological called Choice-supportive bias.

Good cars. Pity about their grating radio add.

Hellrazer wrote: »

However in saying that there are certain current models that I wouldn't touch with a bargepole. Up till November I was still working for a Hyundai dealer and processing all the warranty claims so I saw first hand these issues.

Which models? Is the i30 decent?

unkel wrote: »

Hyundai #1

Linky

With sister company Kia taking #3

It really has been a remarkable development from the Koreans over the past few decades. Only 20 years ago they sold rubbish. And 10 years ago their cars were just cheap and cheerful white goods doing a better job than Toyota for less money. Today Hyundai don't seem to be stopping any time soon with their progress. Hyundai also have the highest profit margin per car sold of all mainstream manufacturers bar BMW

Disclosure: if anyone told me in 2016 that within a year I would buy a Hyundai, I would have laughed at them. Yet indeed I did buy a Hyundai in early 2017. Not for its reliability, but because Hyundai was the first company to offer a second generation very competent electric vehicle for similar money as a same size diesel or petrol car. From then on in, the money savings are incredible. Almost zero cost fuel, low tax, low insurance, low depreciation, almost zero maintenance. That's without mentioning that a car with zero emissions around people saves lives (and some say the climate)

Low Depreciation? Really?

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

So if your Hyundai doesn't have voice command it beats my Skoda which does. Even though I don't use it. Stupid.

Each of those surveys need to be read with understanding.

This JD Power is not really a study of reliability. It really is a study of how picky owners of particular brands are If you pay €100k for a Jag you definitely expect a better experience than when paying €20k for a Kia.

The Magentis of the same vintage as my Avensis (both 2006) may not drive as sharp (the steering is fairly vague and is not the best to hold the road in the corners compared to the Avensis; this may be due to worn bushes and the hideous tyres) nor may have the same ease of access of parts but is a lot more car for the money.

It was exactly 4 times less the price of my already cheap (but horrendously smelly at time of purchase) Avensis (well below it's scrap value at the time in February this year, should give an indicator as to what was paid for both cars) with only a fraction of the work needed to have it NCT ready (go over brakes, turn warning lamp off, change tyres) and a lot more go as standard... With the possibility of remapping! But I'm leaving it as standard, just nice to know I have that option if needed (although give me a VE pump and a 13mm spanner and a flat blade any day for an agri reekmap...)

A bland, soulless saloon will do for work; peanuts to buy, peanuts to run correctly without cutting corners. It means in the evenings/weekends I can jump into the Z/E34 and appreciate those cars more :cool:

Tell that to me when I was driving the C220 and I'd have rolled round laughing