Peak Trans

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Real human beings certainly, but again their feelings/view on the world does not trump DNA/science/biology. That's the reality and facts. Pretending otherwise is actually MORE harmful to them.

Has nothing at all to do with me getting older.. I just don't believe the Earth is flat, or the Emperor is wearing clothes!

Are you happy to ignore the possible scientific explanation for gender dysphoria?

"Analysis of around 160 participants showed that biological males with gender dysphoria - the experience of discomfort or distress due to their biological sex - had a brain structure and neurological patterns similar to biological females, and vice versa."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/22/transgender-brain-scans-promised-study-shows-structural-differences/

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I've just re read this and noticed your choice of words. What I actually said was that lesbians are being labelled transphobic bigots and subjected to horrible online abuse by some transactivists if they don't want to have sex with a person in possession of a penis. This absolutely is happening and isn't utter rubbish. Now, I guess technically noone is saying that they *must* have sexual relationships with a person with a penis, they just better be prepared for the abuse if they speak publicly about their preferences. How is that not a form of coercion or any different to what an incel would do?

They are not though noone is insisting cis lebians must have sex with trans lesbians.

Mutant z wrote: »

This is a load of nonsense anyone who believes they are a member of the opposite sex is truly deluded you are what you are from the moment of birth and there's no changing it no matter how much you want to.

If people are happily deluded, what does it matter to you?

Gender dysphoria is an unfortunate condition that some people are born with and have to find a way to come to terms with.

The 'trans' movement, is about turning it upside down and trying to get healthy normal gender identity to become the disorder unless everyone adopts the gender fluid attitudes of this tiny minority of people who suffer from a condition that requires medical intervention.

People are born with conditions that cause them problems all the time, dyslexia, epilepsy, diabetes, allergies, deaf or blind etc. The vast majority of these people just get on with life and all they ask for is a bit of help and understanding at times.

They don't go campaigning to make all of society change and conform to their own way of life. Blind people don't tell everyone we should wear blindfolds all the time, diabetics don't campaign to ban sugar, epileptics don't try to ban strobe lights etc.

Regarding Trans children. It's true that there are trans children born every day. What they need is understanding and professional, evidence based medical care and counselling where appropriate. It may well form a part of their identity and define how they live their lives, but this is a private matter for them, their families and medical team. It's horrible to see young children being paraded out in front of the print and social media by either side of this 'debate' to be pointed at and judged by everyone else. The parents of these children shouldn't be putting them in the limelight, their privacy needs to be protected.

had to google TERF there

modern life really is passing me by:D

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

This isnt one sided. The hatred and violence is coming from TERFs too. I'm glad Ireland managed to avoid this extremist hatred and violence.

Sorry but you're talking absolute bullsh*t. What incidents have there been when feminist activists have been violent toward transgender people in the UK? It is absolutely, positively one-sided. Feminists haven't been up in court for bashing transgender people and neither are they physically blockading meeting halls while wearing masks and barring entry to people looking to attend a meeting.

A friend of mine was roared off a picket line of her own union by a shower of these idiots because one of them had recognised her from attending a meeting. I'd love to see evidence the violent incidents you've alluded to above.

FurBabyMomma wrote: »

Funnily enough, I had the opposite experience. As a young tomboy, I wanted to be a boy as they seemed to have so much more freedom, whereas girls were to be protected and cosseted. As a teenager, I wanted to be a boy so I'd have access to a broader range of school subjects. I was sporty, but at the time there were no GAA or team sports available to girls in the locality, despite living in a city. Also, the boys' schools got half days on Wednesday, as.a.way to facilitate training, but the girls' schools didn't. Even today, if you gave me the choice, I'd still come back as a man.

That being said, I know I don't have gender dysphoria. I'm comfortable being a woman and have never loathed my body so much for its gender that I would want to change it surgically or otherwise. I've never felt I was born in the wrong body and wanted to kill myself for it. I can't imagine how difficult that is to live with and my heart goes out to anyone who feels that way. I imagine the vast majority of posters on here would be sympathetic too.

And there it is, the grass is always greener I guess I absolutely agree as far as feeling one has been born in the wrong body and having deep-seated psychological trauma and depression because of it. I'm merely suggesting that there's a middle ground here, where we can accept that true gender dysphoria is a very real and horrible thing for those who suffer from it, and that making decisions purely based on how a child feels in a particular timeframe is completely absurd. And that's the trend that worries me. There's a huge difference between what you've described, and the kind of society which seems to be advocated by the extremist SJW types, who come out with such gems as "puberty is optional" (seriously, wtf? Maybe this sign sign seen at Pride last weekend is meant as satire, but holy crap it's still a f*cked up message) and the whole idea that gender is entirely in one's mind and therefore that if you're a guy and you don't want to have sex with a biologically male human who identifies as a woman, you're some kind of homophobe, is a very dangerous one. As I say, I feel like we're moving into a society which is going to take the gender identity thing further than something that's actually diagnosed as a condition by medical professionals, and allow children to mutilate their own bodies based on nothing but what's going through their head as children. As I say, there's a reason we don't allow kids to drink, drive, vote, leave school, etc - it's completely ridiculous that we'd allow them to make decisions which could potentially lead to a lifetime of bitter regret.

Obviously my view is coloured by my own anecdote, but any time this stuff comes up I'm reminded that if I'd been a kid of the 2010s rather than the 1990s, I might easily have decided, based entirely on my own perceptions at the time, that being a boy sucked - and been subjected to life-altering medical treatment because of it. That, to me, is just a frightening thought and it saddens me that there are kids of Generations Z and beyond who might actually go through this because as a society we've become too hung up on this idea that everything about a person is entirely defined by how they feel at a particular time, and by no other factors at all.

When it comes to the point of who jumps into bed with who I think we all discriminate ...because when it comes to the will you/ won't you point I think we would like to find our choice attractive and not repulsive (even if that changes in the morning when the drink wears off )

What you are attracted to / repulsed by differs from individual to individual...but we do most definitely discriminate, even within our preferred target group.

Nermal wrote: »

I thought we weren't allowed to admit male and female brains were different.

Only when it suits the arguement. It's like in America when they assign Asian people when analyzing different races.
For education and income purposes they lump Asians in with white people (Asians are generally higher educated and have a higher income than other races).
When the discussion is about victims of racism they're classed as POC (I hate that phrase!).

derfderf wrote: »

POC (I hate that phrase!).

I find it kinda hilarious since it's so similar to the phrase "coloured people" which is regarded as inherently racist. I thought the whole point of equality was to allow people celebrate the actual specificities of their racial identity ("I'm Black / Asian / Hispanic / Latino / etc and proud of it"), but lately it feels like they're trying to turn back that clock and just lump all non-white folk into one grand category for the purposes of political or societal discourse.

Personally (and obviously this could be coloured, pun intended, by the type of young person of any race who's likely to visit Ireland as an American) I know more black people who get pissed off about this kind of stuff than actually like it. Indeed, one black woman I know essentially told me that the SJW crap tends to be made up entirely by young, middle class white millennials, and then imposed upon minority races as a dogma which you either "willingly" subscribe to, or they'll attack, belittle, and shame you even worse than the actual racists they claim to be truly fighting against.

I can't help wondering how many LGBT folk feel the same way. A huge amount of the extremist stuff seems to come from young straight people who want to virtue signal by hopping on a bandwagon and yet are trying to define the entire conversation according to their world views as opposed to the world views of those who are actually living these social issues for themselves.