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wexie · 09-07-2018 11:55AM

Malayalam wrote: »

Hallo?? That i said the ''fetishization of drag kids'', you mean? Yes, that is happening.

I could have done without seeing that....

thanks

Wibbs · 09-07-2018 11:57AM

wexie wrote: »

I could have done without seeing that....

thanks

It's not just "drag" kids, there is a weird, nay disturbing thankfully small sub section of society that fetishises kids in general, though far more so little girls and dolls them up like adults. "Beauty pageants" for toddlers and the like.

Maxpfizer · 09-07-2018 12:11PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Absolute and utter rubbish - Nobody is saying lesbians must have sexual relationships with a person with a penis.

That's true but I've heard the argument made a few times now that lesbians who say they would never date, or have sex with, a woman with a penis are being discriminatory and transphobic.

I find it hard to believe that you are not aware of that debate.

Your Dating Preferences Are Discriminatory

Are Genital Preferences Transphobic?"

"Cissexism means prejudice or discrimination against transgender people"

"Some people are making the argument that it's not cissexist at all to only be attracted to people with one kind of genitals"

"These people might argue that only being attracted to people with vaginas in no way negatively affects trans people"

"Technically you are right, you're allowed to have your preferences and you don't have to change anything BUT..."

So, yes, nobody is saying lesbians MUST have sex with a person with a penis but if a lesbian happens to say she won't have sex with a woman with a penis then she can expect to be accused of discrimination or transphobia.

Transphobia ---> TERF ---> Alt-Right ---> Nazi

You can say what you like but there's a subtle pressure there and if you are a lesbian then you'd better be damn careful if you are in a situation where you are attracted to a woman but ultimately don't want to have sex with them when you find out they have a penis.

You are pretending to scoff at the idea but it's definitely out there and I have serious doubts that you don't already know that it's out there.

The are two factors at work here.

Firstly, that an accusation of transphobia is becoming more and more of a serious accusation. A losing your job kind of accusation an internet hate mob hounding you for months kind of accusation.

Secondly, that having a preference for one kind of person over another will lead to an accusation of transphobia if said preference is discovered or assumed. This leads to people realizing that their life could really take a nasty turn if anyone finds out that they won't be with a woman with a penis purely because of the penis.

So what can a woman who is a lesbian but never wants to have sex with someone with a penis really do or say without being accused of transphobia? Nothing really, so they just have to shut up and hope for the best.

Cienciano · 09-07-2018 12:14PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

The real life implications will come soon enough.

Reminds me a bit of rock music and Satanism. My dad the other day said something about foreigners followed by "but of course, you can't say that or you'll be called racist". I asked if he was ever called racist? No he wasn't. I think both "sides" of debates get a bit hysterical tbh.

Sal Butamol · 09-07-2018 12:16PM

The Miss Universe representative for Spain this year is trans.

What a ****ing joke.

Malayalam · 09-07-2018 12:21PM

Just to say ..

... rather than go the whole nine trans yards, the thread would more likely stay open if it sticks to children's gender issues. The rest of the stuff like sports and Miss Universe Spain and Huntley trying to get into Women's jail - of course all of that is the mind-bending manifestations of the inherent contradictions in an ideology - but I am sure it has been discussed elsewhere.

On the sports issue I have heard that transgirls in school sports could put off young girls from participating - due to fear of injury (eg martial arts). And this would have knock on effects on health and fitness. My daughter is a brilliant martial artist and TINY and it has been enough for her to deal since childhood with the very big tough girls she has met in competitions, a transgirl with the benefit of male characteristics would be impossible to beat and probably a danger.

One eyed Jack · 09-07-2018 12:23PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Absolute and utter rubbish - Nobody is saying lesbians must have sexual relationships with a person with a penis.

Now Joey that's not true, there is a concerted effort by a tiny minority of people within the transgender community who claim that lesbian women who refuse to have sex with them are transphobic, etc, trying to shame women into having sex with them and attempting to condemn them for their sexual orientation -

The Cotton Ceiling – lesbian women must consider trans women as potential sexual partners

I'd have agreed with you if you'd said that there is nobody saying that legally, lesbian women are being forced to have sex with a person with a penis, and there has been a case in the UK where a woman who pretended they had a penis by using dildo was convicted of assault by penetration for attempting to do so.

As for the kid-size dildos being advertised on that website being referred to in the opening post, well there are some sick fcuks out there who will attempt to take advantage of vulnerable people by marketing this kind of JML quality crap to them and sell it like they're doing something "positive" for children who are transgender. Most parents of children who are transgender will see this product for what it is - a pernicious marketing ploy used to sell a product and make money for it's creators. It's about as likely to take off as vagina chapstick/lipstick/wtf? for women.

Far more dangerous than these kid-sized dildos are chest binders for teenagers which can do real irreparable damage to their bodies -

Health Consequences of chest binding

WinnyThePoo · 09-07-2018 12:39PM

Sal Butamol wrote: »

The Miss Universe representative for Spain this year is trans.

What a ****ing joke.

Will you need more tissue?

Wibbs · 09-07-2018 12:41PM

Maxpfizer wrote: »

Your Dating Preferences Are Discriminatory

Damn right they are. Everybody's are to one degree or other. I'm a straight guy and I don't want to see meat and two veg in the underwear. If I were a gay guy I wouldn't want to see the lack of same. Would a trans person be "discriminatory" if they didn't want to be involved with the wedding tackle of the gender they didn't find attractive? Of course not. It's beyond bloody lunacy.

Are Genital Preferences Transphobic?"

I don't want to shag "cis" men, male by DNA and birth. Does this make me non-trans"phobic"? Bollocks it does. I don't give a hoot who you find attractive, so long as you're consenting adults. Including if you're into a trans person. Knock yourself out and good luck to you. It would be nice if idiots like this extended that same courtesy to others. But again self awareness and irony bypasses are in play.

wexie · 09-07-2018 12:42PM

Maxpfizer wrote: »

The are two factors at work here.

Firstly, that an accusation of transphobia is becoming more and more of a serious accusation. A losing your job kind of accusation an internet hate mob hounding you for months kind of accusation.

Secondly, that having a preference for one kind of person over another will lead to an accusation of transphobia if said preference is discovered or assumed. This leads to people realizing that their life could really take a nasty turn if anyone finds out that they won't be with a woman with a penis purely because of the penis.

So what can a woman who is a lesbian but never wants to have sex with someone with a penis really do or say without being accused of transphobia? Nothing really, so they just have to shut up and hope for the best.

I'd be quite curious to know how much support this kind of thinking really does have in the 'trans community'. Is this the norm or are these just extremist views?

Wibbs · 09-07-2018 12:44PM

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Will you need more tissue?

Not for self abuse anyway.

Hector Savage · 09-07-2018 12:56PM

retro:electro wrote: »

The fcuk

It has to be a parody ... HAS to be ...

Frank O. Pinion · 09-07-2018 12:57PM

"Preference" is a weird thing. Some women say they're not attracted to bi men, it's not their "preference". I find that weird. I mean, if you find Brad Pitt attractive, but if he's bi or previously been with men he's suddenly unattractive? Seems homophobic. You find a lot less men saying that bi women are unattractive to them than the other way around.

Hector Savage · 09-07-2018 12:59PM

Sal Butamol wrote: »

The Miss Universe representative for Spain this year is trans.

What a ****ing joke.

Yeah and watch the viewing figures plummet ...

The Public know what a joke this is , I wonder how well that Playboy with a trans model on the cover sold ?

Franz Von Peppercorn · 09-07-2018 01:04PM

Wibbs wrote: »

I don't want to shag "cis" men, male by DNA and birth. Does this make me non-trans"phobic"? Bollocks it does. I don't give a hoot who you find attractive, so long as you're consenting adults. Including if you're into a trans person. Knock yourself out and good luck to you. It would be nice if idiots like this extended that same courtesy to others. But again self awareness and irony bypasses are in play.

Just plain homophobia.

Maxpfizer · 09-07-2018 01:06PM

wexie wrote: »

I'd be quite curious to know how much support this kind of thinking really does have in the 'trans community'. Is this the norm or are these just extremist views?

As far as I can tell it's fairly common. A lot of trans people have troubles with dating because of this particular issue.

I can imagine that a lesbian woman could potentially react badly to finding out or being told that the person they are dating actually has a penis. Depending on the circumstances of that situation it could potentially be a very bad reaction.

This would be even more pronounced with "political" lesbians, I think.

I don't think it's extremism to point out that people have preferences and that sometimes those preferences are a kind of discrimination but the extremist part of it is where there are efforts to tie these preferences to transphobia and everything that then follows on from that.

For sure this is a community that is rife with internal bullying and people will often take sides and then take things to quite extreme levels. Being part of the community and then being labelled "transphobic" from within the community would not be a good thing.

There seems to be quite a lot of tension between lesbians in the community and trans-women in the community.

Hector Savage · 09-07-2018 01:14PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Just plain homophobia.

Really?
How so?

Wibbs · 09-07-2018 01:24PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Just plain homophobia.

So by that "logic" a gay woman who doesn't want to sleep with a man is heterophobic?

Wibbs · 09-07-2018 01:28PM

Frank O. Pinion wrote: »

"Preference" is a weird thing. Some women say they're not attracted to bi men, it's not their "preference". I find that weird. I mean, if you find Brad Pitt attractive, but if he's bi or previously been with men he's suddenly unattractive? Seems homophobic. You find a lot less men saying that bi women are unattractive to them than the other way around.

More down to the notion that a bi guy is seen as somehow more "feminine" because he shagged men and this is less attractive to more women, whereas a bi woman's femininity isn't nearly so affected. Plus the "lesbian" fantasy meme nearly always featuring hyper feminine women is in play.

Wibbs · 09-07-2018 01:36PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Well that's different, obviously, because bollocks. Very important bollocks.

With respect Dr. J I tweaked your post a little.

suicide_circus · 09-07-2018 01:36PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Really?
How so?

Any man who won't suck a dick is a bigot

Franz Von Peppercorn · 09-07-2018 01:55PM

Wibbs wrote: »

So by that "logic" a gay woman who doesn't want to sleep with a man is heterophobic?

Indeed.

I should probably have put a sarcasm indicator on my reply though.

09-07-2018 02:00PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Indeed.

I should probably have put a sarcasm indicator on my reply though.

Poe's Law strikes again.

Wibbs · 09-07-2018 02:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Poe's Law strikes again.

True, though I've seen similar opinions that were in deadly earnest. And as we saw in the last few pages there are a few nutters out there who think that gay women who don't want to sleep with male to female transexuals with wedding tackle intact are transphobic.

09-07-2018 02:07PM

Wibbs wrote: »

True, though I've seen similar opinions that were in deadly earnest.

If you're a minority and feel hard done by, some idiots will be there to support you no matter what, as ridiculous as it might be. They're like the conspiracy theorists of social equality.. Always thinking they have the inside line on what is morally correct.

_Kaiser_ · 09-07-2018 02:53PM

OK, I have to admit.. this continued back and forth with people continuing to dispute reality is starting to grate on me, so I'm going to be very blunt.

Basically it comes down to...

(Biological) Reality/Facts vs Feelings/Opinions

While it may not fit with the worldview of some, the former will ALWAYS trump the latter.

Someone can certainly identify as the opposite sex, take steps to reinforce that (clothing, name, surgery) - for the purposes of example and simplicity here let's say a man identifying as a woman.
All that is fine, but it does NOT make them "no different" to a biological woman, not does it make anyone else "phobic" if they don't want to become involved in a (sexual) relationship with them nor if they don't recognise those choices (so long as they are still respectful).
I'm a straight man (and none of this "cis" nonsense either). I am interested only in straight women. I would not get involved with someone like the person in my example. That's my choice and my right just as much as it's their choice and right to identify otherwise.

On another point... Infants are not "assigned" a gender at birth.. they are simply born male or female/boy or girl. There are only those 2 options. This is again the Reality of the situation.

I'm getting very tired of revisionist bull**** being peddled as facts in our "modern" society, and seeing people who say "er.. hang on a minute!" be attacked and belittled as archaic, phobic or whatever the latest buzz-term is by people who's primary interest is to virtue-signal how progressive they are to these loons.

Enough is enough... believe/do whatever you want so long as it's legal, you're an adult, and no-one else is harmed (I personally don'r care what someone thinks of themselves or does sexually at all) - but accept that "tolerance" and "acceptance" is a 2-way street and it's equally MY right NOT to buy into this stuff!

WinnyThePoo · 09-07-2018 02:58PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

OK, I have to admit.. this continued back and forth with people continuing to dispute reality is starting to grate on me, so I'm going to be very blunt.

Basically it comes down to...

(Biological) Reality/Facts vs Feelings/Opinions

While it may not fit with the worldview of some, the former will ALWAYS trump the latter.

Someone can certainly identify as the opposite sex, take steps to reinforce that (clothing, name, surgery) - for the purposes of example and simplicity here let's say a man identifying as a woman.All that is fine, but it does NOT make them "no different" to a biological woman, not does it make anyone else "phobic" if they don't want to become involved in a (sexual) relationship with them nor if they don't recognise those choices (so long as they are still respectful).
I'm a straight man (and none of this "cis" nonsense either). I am interested only in straight women. I would not get involved with someone like the person in my example. That's my choice and my right just as much as it's their choice and right to identify otherwise.

On another point... Infants are not "assigned" a gender at birth.. they are simply born male or female/boy or girl. There are only those 2 options. This is again the Reality of the situation.

I'm getting very tired of revisionist bull**** being peddled as facts in our "modern" society, and seeing people who say "er.. hang on a minute!" be attacked and belittled as archaic, phobic or whatever the latest buzz-term is by people who's primary interest is to virtue-signal how progressive they are to these loons.

Enough is enough... believe/do whatever you want so long as it's legal, you're an adult, and no-one else is harmed (I personally don'r care what someone thinks of themselves or does sexually at all) - but accept that "tolerance" and "acceptance" is a 2-way street and it's equally MY right NOT to buy into this stuff!

I'm sorry your getting older and world is changing at a pace you find uncomfortable. This is very much a feelings rant though. You are talking about real human beings here.

Calhoun · 09-07-2018 02:59PM

You wonder what the end game is here, it seems like a small minority trying to change and influence everyone around them so they become a bigger part of the pie.

I wonder what will happen when we are done with all the BS will we see a hard move to the otherside on these issues.

_Kaiser_ · 09-07-2018 03:02PM

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

I'm sorry your getting older and world is changing at a pace you find uncomfortable. This is very much a feelings rant though. You are talking about real human beings here.

Real human beings certainly, but again their feelings/view on the world does not trump DNA/science/biology. That's the reality and facts. Pretending otherwise is actually MORE harmful to them.

Has nothing at all to do with me getting older.. I just don't believe the Earth is flat, or the Emperor is wearing clothes!

_Kaiser_ · 09-07-2018 03:05PM

Calhoun wrote: »

You wonder what the end game is here, it seems like a small minority trying to change and influence everyone around them so they become a bigger part of the pie.

I wonder what will happen when we are done with all the BS will we see a hard move to the otherside on these issues.

I will not be at all surprised if future generations look at the latter part of the 20th century/early 21st century as a time when Western civilisation, having peaked and defeated all external enemies for the most part, turned inward and started consuming itself over the course of 20 years.

Meanwhile the rest of the world moved on.

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