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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    Blaming the parents

    The people who do this are just jumping to their own conclusions


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    I used to tell my parents I wanted to be a girl when I was a preteen, largely because at that age I perceived society's double standards against boys and felt that girls were better liked and better treated by adults. Apparently (I don't remember this) I used to say I wanted to start wearing dresses etc. Not really sure how long this phase lasted, but I'm assuming it was when I was around 6 or 7 and was very acutely affected by everything from "ladies first" and "never hit a girl even if she hits you" to "girls are better than boys at school" and all that crap. That stuff used to make me unimaginably angry as a child and I distinctly remember perceiving massive injustice based on all that. I started becoming interested in current affairs and listening to the news from a much younger age than most, so this may have been part of it.

    It makes my blood run cold to think that if I expressed these sentiments as a child now, in the late 2010s, that the entire course of my life might have been shifted by hormonal medication and surgery. It's genuinely terrifying to me that we're allowing people who society has decided can't be trusted to make the decision to vote, to drink, to drive, hell to even get a tattoo in many cases, to decide to make utterly life-changing medical decisions based on what are very often fleeting and shallow childhood musings.

    All I can say is that I'm seriously glad I didn't grow up in the 2010s. I'm a lad through and through and I adore being a guy, political issues aside.

    It boggles my mind that anyone can defend what's going on with regard to fundamentally and permanently allowing children to make these life-altering decisions which could easily end up f*cking up their entire lives should the phase pass and they end up regretting making that choice. I know I would have.

    Obviously gender dysphoria is a real and serious issue, but if we're literally blazing a trail past this as a medical issue and making such decisions based on how children feel over short periods of time, that's just utterly f*cking insane.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,620 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Every story I have read the parent speaks of going beyond that and actually engagaing with the child, listening to what the child says, observing the childs behaviour before and after social transition so it seems to me you are kind of missing the point. Your focus seems to be what the child wears or plays with whereas parents of trans children and medics who deal with them go way beyond that by listening to and observing the child in multiple situtations.

    So you can't then. Maybe if kids weren't bombarded with messages, literally from birth , that girls like this and boys like that then I guarantee there would be less trans gender children. I'm not missing the point, the evidence is there - most children who say they are trans turn out not to be. What is wrong with letting them wear and express themselves how they like and waiting until they are old enough to make the choice? Putting kids on puberty blockers and hormones is madness and there are going to be a lot of messed up adults as a result. There is already a lawsuit being brought against the makers of the hormone blocker which now used to delay puberty. Women that were prescribed it as children to stop their precocious puberty are suffering long term health effects from it. It's completely unethical

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/women-fear-drug-they-used-to-halt-puberty-led-to-health-problems


    As far as listening to what they say, my daughter says a lot of things. Recently she has been saying that she is actually princess peach. Luckily I know that she is a child and not capable of making complex decisions that will affect her whole life so I just smile and agree with her and let her get on with it.

    Just to clarify, I'm not saying that children with actual gender dysphoria don't exist. They do, but its very rare and there is just no way that all the children diagnosed in recent years are suffering from it, it's an increase of thousands of percent. Unless there is something else going on medically during pregnancies (unlikely), then it must be some kind of weird trend or cultural thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭FurBabyMomma


    I used to tell my parents I wanted to be a girl when I was a preteen, largely because at that age I perceived society's double standards against boys and felt that girls were better liked and better treated by adults. Apparently (I don't remember this) I used to say I wanted to start wearing dresses etc. Not really sure how long this phase lasted, but I'm assuming it was when I was around 6 or 7 and was very acutely affected by everything from "ladies first" and "never hit a girl even if she hits you" to "girls are better than boys at school" and all that crap. That stuff used to make me unimaginably angry as a child and I distinctly remember perceiving massive injustice based on all that. I started becoming interested in current affairs and listening to the news from a much younger age than most, so this may have been part of it.

    It makes my blood run cold to think that if I expressed these sentiments as a child now, in the late 2010s, that the entire course of my life might have been shifted by hormonal medication and surgery. It's genuinely terrifying to me that we're allowing people who society has decided can't be trusted to make the decision to vote, to drink, to drive, hell to even get a tattoo in many cases, to decide to make utterly life-changing medical decisions based on what are very often fleeting and shallow childhood musing.

    Funnily enough, I had the opposite experience. As a young tomboy, I wanted to be a boy as they seemed to have so much more freedom, whereas girls were to be protected and cosseted. As a teenager, I wanted to be a boy so I'd have access to a broader range of school subjects. I was sporty, but at the time there were no GAA or team sports available to girls in the locality, despite living in a city. Also, the boys' schools got half days on Wednesday, as.a.way to facilitate training, but the girls' schools didn't. Even today, if you gave me the choice, I'd still come back as a man.

    That being said, I know I don't have gender dysphoria. I'm comfortable being a woman and have never loathed my body so much for its gender that I would want to change it surgically or otherwise. I've never felt I was born in the wrong body and wanted to kill myself for it. I can't imagine how difficult that is to live with and my heart goes out to anyone who feels that way. I imagine the vast majority of posters on here would be sympathetic too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭HappyAsLarE


    Philosophically, gender disphoria is quite existential. Nature has selected a male and female, one’s questioning of this is quite fascinating.

    We are a collection of atoms that contemplate atoms.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    We are a collection of atoms that contemplate atoms.

    Also, the brain named itself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    The fcuk

    WBeRsxe.jpg


  • Posts: 4,501 [Deleted User]


    I blame twitter for all of this. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭ Gordon Cool Meteorology


    The fcuk

    WBeRsxe.jpg

    holy buzzword overuse Batman ….or batwoman


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,813 ✭✭✭Noveight


    There's a family in my locality in which the Da is now a lady, or so you'd be led to believe. Anyways, one of their sons decided he too was transgender at the age of 10. Monkey see, monkey do. The auld lad has blatantly handed down his problem to his kid and it has seemingly been met by nothing but encouragement by the relevant authorities.

    If that ain't some sort of abuse/neglect* then I dunno what is tbh.

    *The word Abuse might be a bit strong, but you get where I'm coming from.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,238 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    The world is mad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,698 ✭✭✭Signore Fancy Pants


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I know many, many transgender people and their families. Never, ever has any of them spoken to me about science i.e. what genitalia they were born with.
    God forbid objective science might come into play. Well, it seems it's OK if it currently agrees with one's personal worldview. That goes for everyone.
    I really feel like this is a thread that needs to be closed. It doesn't warrant opinions in after hours.
    This attitude really grinds my bloody gears. This omerta of current cultural philosophy, that can't take even a whisper of doubt against the shaky edifice it has built up around itself. God knows this has worked out well in the past. Not. And again the staggering lack of awareness of the dangers of this line of "thinking".
    The fcuk
    Mentaller on the interwebs says mental things. Must be a day ending in a Y. The interwebs gives a voice to these morons, and a louder voice than they might otherwise have. I count myself among their number, but at least I'm aware that I'm likely a moron.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    Its only going to get worse, with Zappone and her new LGBTI+ rollout over the next few years they are starting the indoctrination early.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25 Tis Yourself?


    A doctor was fired in the UK because he wouldn't renounce his belief that gender is determined at birth. The absoultue state of the UK...

    If an adult wants surgery, fine, but why should anyone else be forced to accept your delusions?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    The fcuk

    twitter image

    nonsense like that really doesn't help the debate. And I'd like to imagine there will be plenty of WTF's in the trans community over talk like that as well. If you want to be taken seriously then that is not the way to go.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Heteropatriarchy? I love the blind assumption that all Gay people (gay men, in this particular case) are supportive of Transgender causes. Which is, of course, complete BS. I have a variety of gay male friends who, while very interested in gay rights, do not give a flying fck about transgenders and consider them to be a completely separate issue to Homosexuality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    I think they may soon hit peak LGBTQ nonsense in the US in some areas as it's starting to decline and they're going back to traditional values. Such crazy ideas as males being different to females or a mother and father being a more balanced upbringing than a father and a father - and hell, yet another father with the way things have been going, are now being taken seriously again.

    Ireland are in such a love affair with LGBTQ nonsense right now that unless they're among an older traditional crowd a lot of people wouldn't dare to question the dogma. The ironic thing is that the US was ahead of the curve for LGBTQ rights for a long time while Ireland and UK were far behind. Now many in Ireland think they're so ahead of the curve, almost trying to outcompete each other for who has the wildest, most extreme LGBTQ theories that we all have to follow... when actually the US is yet again ahead of Ireland about it by questioning the dogma.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I have a variety of gay male friends who, while very interested in gay rights, do not give a flying fck about transgenders and consider them to be a completely separate issue to Homosexuality.

    The T doesn't really fit in with the LGB. It's not a sexual orientation. I wonder is LGB vs T a trend? Is there a divide?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    Omackeral wrote: »
    The T doesn't really fit in with the LGB. It's not a sexual orientation. I wonder is LGB vs T a trend? Is there a divide?



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    Yeah the thumbnail in that video is enough to make me not want to press play. That has to be one of the most punchable faces I've seen in a long long time.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    Omackeral wrote: »
    The T doesn't really fit in with the LGB. It's not a sexual orientation. I wonder is LGB vs T a trend? Is there a divide?

    Haven't you heard? The TERFS are trying to get the L out of LGBT.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,238 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    If you are a man and say:

    ... You are a woman trapped in a man's body you are considered brave to come forward etc.
    ... But say you were reincarnated from a woman from the 18th century and watch as people say the opposite. Quite the opposite.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If you are a man and say:

    ... You are a woman trapped in a man's body you are considered brave to come forward etc.

    If you are a white woman and say:

    ... You are a black woman trapped in a white woman's body you are considered to be a con artist or have mental illness. That's what a mod on here told me before elsewhere before banning me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 523 ✭✭✭Sal Butamol


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Also, the brain named itself.

    It was going for Brian but was dyslexic


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Tin Foil Hat


    A doctor was fired in the UK because he wouldn't renounce his belief that gender is determined at birth. The absoultue state of the UK...

    If an adult wants surgery, fine, but why should anyone else be forced to accept your delusions?

    Gender is determined the second either a male or female sperm wins the race to the egg.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25 Tis Yourself?


    Shouldn't the 'B' be expelled from LGBT? Doesn't bisexual imply there are only two genders?

    Sounds pretty hateful and problematic to me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 523 ✭✭✭Sal Butamol


    All this madness will end in tears


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    Shouldn't the 'B' be expelled from LGBT? Doesn't bisexual imply there are only two genders?


    Tbh, the B is basically silent.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    A doctor was fired in the UK because he wouldn't renounce his belief that gender is determined at birth. The absoultue state of the UK...

    If an adult wants surgery, fine, but why should anyone else be forced to accept your delusions?

    If he's prepared to put his Christian beliefs before his patients' welfare, then he's not a good doctor and they're probably better off without him. I'd also argue that he's not a very good Christian either, because refusing to call someone what they want to be called seems very unkind.


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