Peak Trans

HappyAsLarE · 07-07-2018 01:23PM

wexie wrote: »

Just out of morbid curiosity......do you think they are one and the same left?

No, but people need to be wary of when the wings spread too far from centre.

TheValeyard · 07-07-2018 01:38PM

Why all circumcised? Trans discrimination against natural foreskin!

#foreskinEquality

dexter_morgan · 07-07-2018 01:46PM

Nuts by Nuts

Nuts buy Nuts

Nuts

Malayalam · 07-07-2018 01:49PM

pleas advice wrote: »

AMAB = assigned male at birth, had to look that up

I reckon people should look up a lot more stuff regarding transkids. If I talk about it though to people I know, or family, the 90% reaction is flinching, head -shaking and refusal to discuss. As if it is some crazy underground weird stuff that will have no affect on their lives, or their children, or grandchildren.
But it will have an affect on future generations. This is one branch of transhumanism, the deeply subversive idea that humans can be built better. And the targeting of children is an active, manipulative and very well-funded lobby. I heard about the stated intention of politically rationalising puberty blockers for young children over 10 YEARS AGO from someone in the know. And it has come to pass. There is nothing innocent about this movement. It has not been generated from grass roots - it is social engineering.

Will I Am Not · 07-07-2018 01:59PM

Possibly more disturbing is that their colours are flavours. Could they not have called them brown, light brown etc?
Weird.

wexie · 07-07-2018 02:05PM

Malayalam wrote: »

This is one branch of transhumanism, the deeply subversive idea that humans can be built better. And the targeting of children is an active, manipulative and very well-funded lobby. I heard about the stated intention of politically rationalising puberty blockers for young children over 10 YEARS AGO from someone in the know. And it has come to pass. There is nothing innocent about this movement. It has not been generated from grass roots - it is social engineering.

With what goal though??

Like what is it they are trying to achieve?

I'm all for trying to build a society where as many people can be as happy as they can be etc. etc. etc.

But that's not what's being achieved here. What this is encouraging is lots of people all of a sudden realizing (when their brains and personalities have finally matured) that they've made a really horrible mistake from which there is no way back.

And before anybody starts with the transphobia nonsense : I absolutely believe gender dysphoria is real and appreciate (as much as I can) that it is probably a hugely complicated issue. If someone suffers from it I would be fully supportive of a society that supports people in sorting that out for and with them.

What I do not believe however is that life changing, irreversible decisions such as these can be made pre puberty. Just as I believe that we shouldn't force 10 year old to pick a profession and in the grand scheme of things that would be a much less far reaching decision.

Malayalam · 07-07-2018 02:10PM

wexie wrote: »

With what goal though??

Like what is it they are trying to achieve?

I'm all for trying to build a society where as many people can be as happy as they can be etc. etc. etc.

But that's not what's being achieved here. What this is encouraging is lots of people all of a sudden realizing (when their brains and personalities have finally matured) that they've made a really horrible mistake from which there is no way back.

And before anybody starts with the transphobia nonsense : I absolutely believe gender dysphoria is real and appreciate (as much as I can) that it is probably a hugely complicated issue. If someone suffers from it I would be fully supportive of a society that supports people in sorting that out for and with them.

What I do not believe however is that life changing, irreversible decisions such as these can be made pre puberty. Just as I don't believe that we shouldn't force 10 year old to pick a profession and in the grand scheme of things that would be a much less far reaching decision.

Well without going into some of my ideas that are more out there

I suggest business and money as a goal for a start. To have a growing percentage of children hooked into perpetual daily reliance on the pharmaceutical industry with lifelong need for surgeries, not to mention counsellors, psychotherapists, advocates, trainers, educators, etc. this is a huge potential market for unscrupulous profiteers.

07-07-2018 02:14PM

pleas advice wrote: »

AMAB = assigned male at birth, had to look that up

Or as we call it in the real world, a baby boy.

heretothere · 07-07-2018 02:15PM

That is honestly disturbing! I am all for adults being who they want to be and honestly if they are doing what makes them happy and it's not hurting anyone go for it.

But under 5 tiny fake willies wtf! How can a child that young possibly know. Transgender must affect a tiny % of the population and they will come to that conclusion naturally over their life. Why go around confusing things

wexie · 07-07-2018 02:19PM

Malayalam wrote: »

Well without going into some of my ideas that are more out there I suggest business and money as a goal for a start. To have a growing percentage of children hooked into perpetual daily reliance on the pharmaceutical industry with lifelong need for surgeries, not to mention counsellors, psychotherapists, advocates, trainers, educators, etc. this is a huge potential market for unscrupulous profiteers.

Well....I guess get em while they're young makes sense from a business point of view....but bleedin 'ell. I do hope that's not true.

Curious about your even more out there ideas now.

Malayalam · 07-07-2018 02:30PM

wexie wrote: »

Well....I guess get em while they're young makes sense from a business point of view....but bleedin 'ell. I do hope that's not true.

Curious about your even more out there ideas now.

I will hang onto them to keep me warm in my lair, but a suggestion of a more subversive idea would be the atomisation of social bonds and the breakdown of the individual into a state of restless anomie that makes them much more dependent on the state rather than on traditional structures. For example one can see hints of this in legislation that could (I did not say will) remove children from the family if the parents will not take institutional advice to transition or adequately support their children to this end.eg Bill 89 in Ontario.

07-07-2018 02:32PM

Graces7 wrote:

Do you really care what others think and say? Would it change your views?

Yes. That's why I use discussion boards; to see others points of view and then weigh them against my knowledge and beliefs and then come to an informed opinion.

Quite bizarre that you would think any different.

Do you come on to threads close minded?

FurBabyMomma · 07-07-2018 02:48PM

I think that if more people were willing to let kids be kids and express themselves how they want without trying to read into their futures, then we would see less extremism on either side.

For example, my 2 year old boy is absolutely nuts about vehicles and given that neither myself or his father are, this is something that comes from him. At the same time, if his sister puts sparkly clips in her hair, he will come looking for them too. He'll put a baby doll to bed and tell us all to be quiet. He has a pram that sometimes has a teddy in it, but mainly trucks and sand.

None of this means anything to him. All toys are fun. Sparkly things are nice to look at. If an adult wants to make a judgement that allowing him to do these things will "turn him gay' (very common reaction still) or that at 2 he is confused about his gender, then the problem lies with the adult projecting their viewpoint onto him. Kids are kids and should be free from judgement.

Lone Stone · 07-07-2018 02:51PM

i thought this was about peak trains for some reason

wexie · 07-07-2018 02:51PM

^^^^^

what she said

they're kids, let them be kids, if they're weird kids, let them be weird kids

FTA69 · 07-07-2018 03:40PM

I'm sick to the back bollix of this sort of stuff to be honest. I'm sick of hearing about it

padd b1975 · 07-07-2018 04:05PM

Too immature to vote.
Too immature to drive.
Too immature to have sexual intercourse.
Too immature to live independently.

Mature enough to have their minds filled with this dangerous guff.

Scary times we're living in...

Atoms for Peace · 07-07-2018 04:08PM

Those parents are self entitled lunatics obviously suffering some sort of Munchausen syndrome by proxy.

FTA69 · 07-07-2018 04:10PM

The left in Britain are consumed with this sh*t, the heads of the unions and various Labour Party types are in the press this week rowing over it - mainly because some trans activists have been beating up and threatening left wing feminists who disagree with them. It's mental. I had to do security at a labour event last Saturday because a speaker there was deemed "anti-trans" and the ent was subjected to threats.

In Haringey we had a left alliance to take over the council, throw out the Blairite types and prevent all the council housing being sold to a private developer. Now that alliance is being destroyed as people row about terminology and who gets to p*ss where. As if anyone in Tottenham gives a solitary f*ck about this kind of thing. So instead of the left talking about housing, jobs, youth opportunities and services - we're shouting about some niche virtue signalling dogsh*t. It's embarrassing at times. It really is.

Malayalam · 07-07-2018 04:14PM

FTA69 wrote: »

The left in Britain are consumed with this sh*t, the heads of the unions and various Labour Party types are in the press this week rowing over it - mainly because some trans activists have been beating up and threatening left wing feminists who disagree with them. It's mental. I had to do security at a labour event last Saturday because a speaker there was deemed "anti-trans" and the ent was subjected to threats.

In Haringey we had a left alliance to take over the council, throw out the Blairite types and prevent all the council housing being sold to a private developer. Now that alliance is being destroyed as people row about terminology and who gets to p*ss where. As if anyone in Tottenham gives a solitary f*ck about this kind of thing. So instead of the left talking about housing, jobs, youth opportunities and services - we're shouting about some niche virtue signalling dogsh*t. It's embarrassing at times. It really is.

that's part of it. Divide and conquer. Take the sting out of real issues by making people crazy.

_Kaiser_ · 07-07-2018 04:34PM

This nonsense of legitimising any random notion someone has now gone too far if this is what it leads to (and no I didn't click the link - the pictures above are bad enough).

If you're a grown adult of sound mental health then you can do/believe whatever you want about your sexuality so long as it doesn't negatively affect anyone else - which includes not being entitled to whinge if not everyone recognises your choices. Tolerance and acceptance is a two way street.

Anything else however (especially where young children are concerned!) should be called out as the crap it is and those involved should get the mental help they need.

Malayalam · 07-07-2018 06:14PM

I agree. For adults. It is the conscription of children that I find very disturbing. And the moral relativism being cultivated in the wider population who are too afraid or apathetic to call it out.

And I have seen a lot of objections from LGBT people to it too.

Lil Sally Anne Jnr. · 07-07-2018 06:46PM

Honestly, I would consider the act of putting prosthetic genitals on a child under five years old to be child abuse, plain and simple. As in.. your child is taken away from you and you are put on the sex offenders list child abuse.

robindch · 08-07-2018 12:16AM

Malayalam wrote: »

I really feel like exploding sometimes with the push of transgenderism on children.

I don't know where you get your information from.

FWIW, my kid has spent the last seven years in a school here in Dublin which would be regarded as amongst the most "progressive" in the country and she will be leaving it soon, knowing much more about catholicism and islam than she does about transgenderism, about which she - like the rest of her class and, so far as I'm aware, the rest of the school - knows virtually nothing.

The only people pushing the idea that transgenderism is a pervasive, societal threat, especially to children, are people like Jordan Peterson (who makes enormous sums of money from talking up this threat), groups like the Iona Institute (who make political capital from talking up this threat) and movements like the far-right/alt-right neo-Nazis and white supremacists (ditto).

Perhaps you could back up your fear that you will explode with some evidence that your fear is grounded in some kind of reality beyond the reality sold - at high price - by Peterson, the Iona Institute, neo-Nazis and similar people and groups of people?

A webpage selling "small-batch handmade" plastic dicks via a gmail address suggests that, whatever perceived problems there might be with transgenderism, it's going to be a long time before it sweeps Western Civilization off its feet.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 08-07-2018 12:25AM

We'll probably look back in disgust at this practice, trans children, in 50 yrs time.

The State are also opening up themselves to be sued to kingdom come.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 08-07-2018 12:29AM

Malayalam wrote: »

that's part of it. Divide and conquer. Take the sting out of real issues by making people crazy.

Apparently the CIA funded some radical feminist groups back in the day. Trade unionism threatens capitalism, identity politics doesn’t.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 08-07-2018 12:33AM

robindch wrote: »

Perhaps you could back up your fear that you will explode with some evidence that your fear is grounded in some kind of reality beyond the reality sold - at high price - by Peterson, the Iona Institute, neo-Nazis and similar people and groups of people?
.

That’s a list of two groups you don’t like and a Godwin.

And can you think of any other groups hostile to transgenderism, even on the left?

It was pretty big news in London yesterday.

JackTaylorFan · 08-07-2018 02:00AM

I see the usuals are out on force in this one...

Anyways...

I'll respond once, directly to the OP, and that will be it for this trash heap...

Malayalam wrote: »

I truly do not care what you do with your body or mind - it is your business completely. Feel free!

We will, thanks.

Malayalam wrote: »

But the treatment of children with gender dysphoria is the main social issue of my time with which I have the greatest difficulty.

Newsflash: It's not about you, or anyone else but the individual. Sorry to break it to you, but your privilege doesn't extend that far anymore.

Malayalam wrote: »

Blah... Blah... Blah... Transphobic rhetoric; use of big scary sounding words like "Insidious... Literally, has no medical qualifications and is entirely unsuited to determine the medical policies for an ailing cat, let alone another human... Blah... Blah... Blah... Throw in a few false equivalencies... Blah... Blah... Blah...[/B].

Oh, do go on with your ill-informed ignorance... this is fascinating...

Malayalam wrote: »

A lot of these kids left alone would desist, and/or accept that they are homosexual...

Subject also displays a worrying lack of understanding concerning sexuality, but continues to display a baffling amount of misplaced confidence in their argument.

Malayalam wrote: »

but they are being chaperoned by counsellors and medics to make rapid, irreversible changes. The chemicals will harm them -

"Chaperoned" is the loosest synonym for "cared for" I have ever come across, but okay...

Use of the word "chemicals" as an inherent negative, proving OP hasn't actually got a clue what they are talking about on a very rudimentary level of science - nevermind on an doctorate endocrinological level...

Claims of irreversible changes to children administered with entirely reversible blockers only - again, more moral panic arguments.

Malayalam wrote: »

vascular disease, diabetes, bone density

Again, spurious claims at best. Not enough research has been done into the long term affects of trans healthcare. Also, transitioning males, on suitable hormone replacement therapy for their gender will receive healthy levels of testosterone on par with cis males. Testosterone a hormone, not a "chemical" that significantly aides in strengthening bone density. The other claims OP makes are again conjecture at best.

At this point it is worth pointing out that the OP's argument is skewed heavily on attacking trans females. I mean, I'm not saying he is obsessed... but it sounds like he has a stick up his arse about an issue that really is none of his business...

Bottom-line: It's their body; their choice.

Malayalam wrote: »

The ironic inherent contradiction in the ridiculous ideology when extrapolated to its conclusion is that children given puberty blockers when young are presenting for gender confirmation surgery at adulthood and finding they do not have sufficient genital tissue to accommodate the operation!

Simply wrong (and Ignoring the fact that, once again, OP seems overly concerned with transwomen...), there are other options for gender reassignment surgery for transwomen.

Take the example of Jazz Jennings, since I assume this is the OP's only frame of reference for their misguided opinion.

Here's the full story in two short and sweet links:

Dated June 20th, 2017 https://people.com/tv/jazz-jennings-transgender-bottom-surgery-complications/

And here is a quote from that article for those who will refuse to click, because they don't want to be educated - which, I highly suspect, is most users posting on this thread.

“There’s definitely been a lot of complications in terms of the bottom surgery,” Jennings explained on Tuesday’s PEOPLE Now. “We’ve been talking about it a lot. You’ll see in the show, there’s some problems because I’ve been on the hormone blockers and basically I haven’t had a lot of development — so we’re debating if I have enough material to work with.”

And this is, literally from this week https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jazz-jennings-says-shes-doing-great-after-gender-confirmation-surgery/

Congratulations to Jazz on her successful surgery, by the way.

Malayalam wrote: »

There is absolutely no need for this... blah... blah... blah... I am really upset about transpeople having full autonomy over their own bodies... and I don't even know why... but I typed all this hatred out because I desperately wanted people to listen to me whine about something that doesn't affect me in the slightest...

Malayalam wrote: »

It's quite perverted, because it emphasises sexuality in children to a degree that I find has positively pedophiliac undertones... Blah... Blah... Blah... certifiable nonsense

This is the rag to my bull this morning..... Honestly, I could punch these degenerates. NSFW https://transkids.biz/products/extra-small-silicone-packers

And here we get to the crux of OP's argument (if you can call this ****e that): OP, is obsessed with what children have in their pants - case and point: the link.

If trans boys want to have a prosthetic penis for the aesthetics of it all- what business is of yours? Literally, you are the one making it sexual. Think of it as contour wear for men. I mean, honestly how obsessed do you have to be with this topic to go seeking that out.

You may have a point about there being a pedophillic tone here, though - but that's probably just because you are projecting.

And on a final note:

Malayalam wrote: »

I really feel like exploding sometimes...

Oh, by all means, do.

Edit: a special shout out to all the mods on here, firmly with your hands down your pants as blatant transphobia ensues -it's like you get off on it too or something

Mod-Banned

Will I Am Not · 08-07-2018 02:21AM

JackTaylorFan wrote: »

I see the usuals are out on force in this one...

Anyways...

I'll respond once, directly to the OP, and that will be it for this trash heap...

We will, thanks.

Newsflash: It's not about you, or anyone else but the individual. Sorry to break it to you, but your privilege doesn't extend that far anymore.

Oh, do go on with your ill-informed ignorance... this is fascinating...

Subject also displays a worrying lack of understanding concerning sexuality, but continues to display a baffling amount of misplaced confidence in their argument.

"Chaperoned" is the loosest synonym for "cared for" I have ever come across, but okay...

Use of the word "chemicals" as an inherent negative, proving OP hasn't actually got a clue what they are talking about on a very rudimentary level of science - nevermind on an doctorate endocrinological level...

Claims of irreversible changes to children administered with entirely reversible blockers only - again, more moral panic arguments.

Again, spurious claims at best. Not enough research has been done into the long term affects of trans healthcare. Also, transitioning males, on suitable hormone replacement therapy for their gender will receive healthy levels of testosterone on par with cis males. Testosterone a hormone, not a "chemical" that significantly aides in strengthening bone density. The other claims OP makes are again conjecture at best.

At this point it is worth pointing out that the OP's argument is skewed heavily on attacking trans females. I mean, I'm not saying he is obsessed... but it sounds like he has a stick up his arse about an issue that really is none of his business...

Bottom-line: It's their body; their choice.

Simply wrong (and Ignoring the fact that, once again, OP seems overly concerned with transwomen...), there are other options for gender reassignment surgery for transwomen.

Take the example of Jazz Jennings, since I assume this is the OP's only frame of reference for their misguided opinion.

Here's the full story in two short and sweet links:

Dated June 20th, 2017 https://people.com/tv/jazz-jennings-transgender-bottom-surgery-complications/

And here is a quote from that article for those who will refuse to click, because they don't want to be educated - which, I highly suspect, is most users posting on this thread.

And this is, literally from this week https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jazz-jennings-says-shes-doing-great-after-gender-confirmation-surgery/

Congratulations to Jazz on her successful surgery, by the way.

And here we get to the crux of OP's argument (if you can call this ****e that): OP, is obsessed with what children have in their pants - case and point: the link.

If trans boys want to have a prosthetic penis for the aesthetics of it all- what business is of yours? Literally, you are the one making it sexual. Think of it as contour wear for men. I mean, honestly how obsessed do you have to be with this topic to go seeking that out.

You may have a point about there being a pedophillic tone here, though - but that's probably just because you are projecting.

And on a final note:

Oh, by all means, do.

Edit: a special shout out to all the mods on here, firmly with your hands down your pants as blatant transphobia ensues -it's like you get off on it too or something

Disgusting accusations.

sabat · 08-07-2018 02:43AM

JackTaylorFan wrote: »

...
Bottom-line: It's their body; their choice...

... If trans boys want to have a prosthetic penis for the aesthetics of it all- what business is of yours? Literally, you are the one making it sexual. Think of it as contour wear for men. I mean, honestly how obsessed do you have to be with this topic to go seeking that out.

Given the shocking suicide rate and high levels of regret following sex change operations it's obvious that many men are not making a true free choice but are being coerced by the medical and media industries into thinking certain mental health problems are something else entirely.
Placing a plastic phallus against a 5 year old girl's vagina and telling her she'll feel better with it there is an act of paedophilia.

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