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What is your closest encounter with an airplane crash?

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  • #182
    Paddy Cow
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    zuutroy wrote: »
    Yea one of the lessons from the Canaries crash is that all over the world, the word takeoff is never used in any communication except the one which gives you explicit permission to do so, and the acknowledgement of that clearance.
    Yeah they use the phrase "after departure" so there's no confusion.


  • #183
    _Dara_
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    I still want to throttle that KLM captain. What a jackass.


  • #184
    Paddy Cow
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    _Dara_ wrote: »
    I still want to throttle that KLM captain. What a jackass.
    I know. He holds everyone up while he unnecessarily refuels the plane and then can't hold on another couple of minutes until he gets full clearance from the tower.


  • #185
    _Dara_
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    Paddy Cow wrote: »
    I know. He holds everyone up while he unnecessarily refuels the plane and then can't hold on another couple of minutes until he gets full clearance from the tower.

    And even after the ATC and Pan Am communications cancel each other, there was still a chance to abort. The Pan Am pilot said “We’ll tell you when we’re clear”. The KLM first officer picked up on that and questions it. I cannot fathom the KLM captain weighing that up in his and thinking “be grand”. Like how could anyone hear “we’ll tell when we’re clear” and not think it was noteworthy in the circumstances, nevermind a highly experienced pilot?


  • #186
    bear1
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    Wasn't it that the captain didn't want that their hours reached max allowed while still in the canaries meaning they'd have to stay longer?


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  • #187
    _Dara_
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    bear1 wrote: »
    Wasn't it that the captain didn't want that their hours reached max allowed while still in the canaries meaning they'd have to stay longer?

    Yes, that was a big factor in his inpatience. But having to stay longer versus killing nearly 600 people? What a pickle! Not wanting to stay over in the Canaries is no reason to disregard your co-pilot’s very legitimate concerns so egregiously. I just don’t get it at all. He was that impatient that he ignored a clear indication that another mother-fucking huge plane wasn’t clear of the runway.


  • #188
    NIMAN
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    Paddy Cow wrote: »
    That was unbelievable and could've been much worse.

    Taking this thread off topic for a second, I have to say kudos to whoever makes the videos for TheFlightChannel. They are informative and gripping and the first time I came across one of them, I can honestly say I was never so engrossed in a video for 10mins that I was on the edge of my seat and feeling every moment of the flight, without one word being spoken.

    As shocking as this incident was, surely that video is a little bit inaccurate?

    The planes came within 135metres of each other, yet the video makes it look like 35ft.


  • #189
    Paddy Cow
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    bear1 wrote: »
    Wasn't it that the captain didn't want that their hours reached max allowed while still in the canaries meaning they'd have to stay longer?
    I read that too so it makes no sense why he was dicking about wasting time refueling the plane :confused:


  • #190
    _Dara_
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    As shocking as this incident was, surely that video is a little bit inaccurate?

    The planes came within 135metres of each other, yet the video makes it look like 35ft.

    Maybe it’s hard to accurately depict using whatever programme they used?


  • #191
    Paddy Cow
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    As shocking as this incident was, surely that video is a little bit inaccurate?

    The planes came within 135metres of each other, yet the video makes it look like 35ft.
    There was a poster earlier on thread who had a close encounter with another plane. He thought the plane passed very near, but it turned out it was quite far away and there was no danger.

    To put it in context, a soccer pitch is around 125 metres. That's awful close for two planes to be passing by each other and is definitely a near miss.


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  • #192
    storker
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    Paddy Cow wrote: »
    It's protocol now to follow TCAS instructions rather than ATC.

    I read a very sombre comment which went along the lines of "airline regulations are written in blood" and it's so true. Each crash highlights vulnerabilities on the part of the pilots and the planes and they learn from it. It seems to be one of the few industries where "lessons learned" are taken seriously and implemented.

    Or put another way, airline safety advances one crash at a time.


  • #193
    storker
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    Paddy Cow wrote: »
    When [...] his subordinates questioned his decision he basically shot them down by saying "I'm the Captain, I'm in charge".

    This was an attitude common in airlines for some time, particularly as many captains had come from the air force. A number of crashes have been attributed to captains not listening to first officers and, back then, flight engineers. Unfortunately the captains authoritarianism was often matched by the deference on the part of his crew. When the industry really started to look at the problem they concluded that "some flight crew would literally rather die than contradict their captain".

    Thankfully, crew (or cockpit?) resource management training has been conducted for some years now to emphasis communication and co-operation on the flight deck.

    For anyone interested in the subject, I highly recommend this:



  • #194
    Samuel T. Cogley
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    Not an encounter with a crash but I was lucky enough to get an Air Experience Flight out of RAF Brize Norton when I were a lad. Flight out and to RAF Akrotiri was fine but heading back to Brize the clouds had come in to the point that we were almost having to divert. I'm sat in a jump seat in the cockpit of a Tristar when WHAM the runway appears out of no where (as we got below the clouds) and the pilot had to force the yoke fully forward to get us on the runway. Never any danger or anything but just scared the bejesus out of me.


  • #195
    Donald Trump
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    Hammer89 wrote: »
    What's everyone's closest experience to being trampled by a rhino?




    I once opened a fresh bag of chips within 50 yards of yer oul' wan


    :pac:


  • #196
    faceman
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    I fly so much and have a now much lighter fear of flying than I used to. I’ve learned that no matter what has happened on a fight, it’s always normal. Turbulence is such a non event for the cockpit unless people aren’t strapped in.

    That being said I’ve never had scary flights (I’ve flown on domestic flights in Africa too) but nothing that the crew were stressed about.

    The folks on the Aviation forum here (including Smurfjed) are great for educating the lay people about flying.

    Not exactly crash situation but can you imagine how scary this was for crew? Japan Air Lines 1628 over Alaska...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Air_Lines_flight_1628_incident


  • #197
    Cee-Jay-Cee
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    I was a passenger on Clipper of the Seas 3 months before it was blown up over Lockerbie.

    That’s as close as I ever was (or want to be) to an air disaster.


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