Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt3

Can see why Jose wanted Perisic. He’s up and down both ends of that wing all game.

Badly missing Rojo.

If he isn't good enough for that Argentina defence he's as well back it in.Their defence and midfield is brutal, manager really ****ed up the squad picks.

Liam O wrote: »

I have a problem with the discussion earlier about Shaw not being good enough. There's never been a doubt that he's good enough it's just been between application and injuries that he's not been able to show it.

Between attack and defence he has everything you'd want from an LB and he's one of the few players I would disagree with how Jose has etreated him. Give him the games to get to full match fitness and he'll be at the top level imo. He may even be doing his own stuff this summer after not making England so hopefully he comes back in top shape. The lad had a leg break FFS and everyone is acting like it's Jose not liking him that's the problem. Maybe he doesn't like Rojo or Zlatan either? Hardly.

He had a leg break more than two years ago. He isn't playing under Jose cause Jose doesnt think he is good enough. Doesn't matter what anyone else thinks of him or his potential. Jose doesn't like him so just get him out and get someone new in.

Lose 3-0 without Rojo draw 1-1 with Rojo.

The Express saying United and Spurs to go after Jordi Alba from Barcelona.

Once more we have the Ronaldo thinking of returning to United story,that must be the 2 millionth time now.

I know for United fans and the English media when France play all eyes are on Pogba. Decided to watch the game on ITV yesterday and Pogba was the talk, came in for some praise where earned and criticism when due.

What was gas though was talking to people here they firstly weren't too bother about the performance of the team, just happy to pick up 3 points (despite most predicting a 2-3 goal win). On Pogba a couple said that for 10 minutes or so in the first half he made the team look better than it was. I don't agree with that, he was outstanding in that passage but that team is full of brilliantly talented players who aren't performing, same story for most of the teams at the WC.

The knockouts seem to be what they are more focused on, could potentially get Argentina which would be interesting.

On the Shaw debate. I understand the reasons people want us to move on but I'm still convinced he can do the job for us. Young has won over José but I would love to see Shaw given a year as the regular starting LB. Funny thing with Shaw is that in 4 seasons with us he has only started 37 games in the PL. I know injuries for some absences but being dropped to the bench for others.

Despite few starts he has had some very good games for us. A lot is said about off the pitch, training etc. Not going to delve into it too much, as we've all discussed it , but for me the questions regarding Shaw aren't to do with talent. I think it comes down to his relationship with the manager and his commitment.

Would absolutely love to see him win Mourinho over and become a regular. Still mad to think he's only 22! Let Dalot be an understudy to Valencia this year, similar to Rafael/Neville where they can split games, while transitioning Shaw into the starting LB. Then we could potentially have two young and settled full-backs and the problem is solved for a good period.

Again a lot of wishful thinking on my part but I'm hopeful Shaw can win not only José over but the fans too.

Adamocovic wrote: »

Completely understand that thinking, maybe I just still hold out hope on Shaw. If he didn't show it this season I'd be for moving him on, but I would like to see us have one last punt on him at LB, he has the ability it's just the other aspects he needs to work on.

It's not a fair comparison since Lingard was loaned out and part of the youth system and not some big money buy, but not many thought Lingard had a chance. A lot were calling for us to move him on saying for 4 years he'd failed to earn a spot in the squad, was loaned out and didn't really play a whole ton when loaned out. Then around 22/23 he broke into the team and has been a key part of the squad since.

Like I said it's not really a fair comparison, and I get people who will rip me apart for it, but it just has lead to me perhaps becoming more patient with players. And I'll put my hands up and say to an extreme at times!

If the rest of team/squad was firing on all cylinders. Then I'd have no problem with giving him another year, I do think he will come good eventually but we are not in the position unfortunately.
Lingard is a fair counterpoint, but I think its a little easier to indulge homegrown players - no cost, low wages and if they don't make it, the manager/club rarely get any flak for it.

I don't think Lingard is a fair comparison actually.

Lingard came through the ranks and went out on loan, he had only one senior appearance in his first 4 years at the club apparently.

Then when he was promoted to the first team squad he played 40, 42, and 48 games over the next 3 seasons, and I would argue he has reached and maintained a certain consistent level of performance over that time.

Lingard came into the squad, worked hard and earned his spot as a regular. He is the polar opposite of Shaw who has been in the United first team squad for 4 years and 2 managers and not once put in a consistent run of performances.