Railfreight

Odelay · 29-05-2018 1:49am

Stephen15 wrote: »

That's riddiculously slow. Why can't freight go as fast as passenger traffic it can on the continent.

Freight tends to weigh a lot more.

whisky_galore · 29-05-2018 10:15am

davidlacey wrote: »

I just think today's development is ridiculous, totally avoidable and just another shambles in this country which is pro road and pro haulier.

No imagination or get-up-and-go in IE, just waiting for the day the pension rolls in.

Govt is very laissez faire esp. the current lot, plenty photo opps when the new stretch of motorway or by-pass is built though. Pats on the back all around.

The public seem to be more interested in making greenways out of everything, regardless of suitability.

The Irish Road Hauliers Assoc have got far too much clout. Likewise SIMI and the AA.

davidlacey · 29-05-2018 12:21pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

That's riddiculously slow. Why can't freight go as fast as passenger traffic it can on the continent.

We are in the age of Health and safety OCD

davidlacey · 29-05-2018 12:24pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

No imagination or get-up-and-go in IE, just waiting for the day the pension rolls in.

Govt is very laissez faire esp. the current lot, plenty photo opps when the new stretch of motorway or by-pass is built though. Pats on the back all around.

The public seem to be more interested in making greenways out of everything, regardless of suitability.

The Irish Road Hauliers Assoc have got far too much clout. Likewise SIMI and the AA.

100% agree and I hate being the pessimist when I reply to people's comments on the facebook group but there is no going back for Irish railfreight. What happens when Tara mines dries up? Bit of timber and some containers by IWT. Token freight if I'm honest. It's laughable when IE release statements say that freight tonnage is up when railfreight accounts for 1% or less of total tonnage carried in Ireland per year.

h.gricer · 29-05-2018 7:13pm

tabbey wrote: »

I hope not but they did not wait long before closing the freight yard at North Esk, Cork.

Belview Port will still see an occasional train, Waterford Port to Portlaoise ''steel'' train, (imported rails) runs a few times a year, trains run for a few weeks at a time, the empty usually exPortlaoise on Fridays, returning exBelview Port laden steel to Portlaoise on Saturdays, a few trains ran in January and February, the next consignment possibly in a couple of months over the winter or maybe sooner as required.
Regards
hg

The_Wanderer · 29-05-2018 7:19pm

It was officially announced by DFDS that their container train between Ballina and Waterford's Belview Port is to cease running from Tuesday 5th June 2018. The press releases stated today (29th May) is the last train, but a Waterford to Ballina is scheduled to operate on the 30th May and the final train from Ballina to Waterford on the 5th June 2018.

The penultimate train from Ballina, the 1105 Ballina - Waterford is pictured crossing the Commons Bridge at Portarlington with 081 in charge of a fully loaded train.

Click the image bellow to see the full sized image.

Salmon Leap · 29-05-2018 7:22pm

What was the official reason given for the withdrawal?

h.gricer · 29-05-2018 8:25pm

Salmon Leap wrote: »

What was the official reason given for the withdrawal?

https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2018/0528/966660-waterford-port/

IE 222 · 29-05-2018 11:22pm

What current BULK road traffic could easily be transferred to rail.

Is there any hope to Cement ect return.

Do IE compete for business. Do the port companies push rail over road.

With the economy growning could IE take a risk and introduce their own service starting with a Dublin - Cork flow. They might not appeal to companies shipping 1 container but surely they could offer good competition were 3 or more need to be shipped.

Isambard · 30-05-2018 2:51am

Dublin and Cork both have their own container ports.

LuckyLloyd · 30-05-2018 10:27am

Very annoying

IE 222 · 30-05-2018 2:06pm

Isambard wrote: »

Dublin and Cork both have their own container ports.

I dont get your point.

There was at least 2 or 3 flows a day eachway in the 2000s.

davidlacey · 30-05-2018 10:58pm

IE 222 wrote: »

I dont get your point.

There was at least 2 or 3 flows a day eachway in the 2000s.

Pre national road upgrades though!

L1011 · 30-05-2018 11:22pm

There are very few domestic flows anymore. Passenger traffic is no indication of freight traffic.

Jamie2k9 · 30-05-2018 11:39pm

Hopefully DFDS can resume in future again. IWT is also down capacity wise from its peak. Both are more less fighting for the same traffic.

GM228 · 31-05-2018 8:51am

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Hopefully DFDS can resume in future again. IWT is also down capacity wise from its peak. Both are more less fighting for the same traffic.

DFDS resumption is unlikely.

IWTs are generally full, loadings change from time to time, it's a seasonal thing. But I can't see how they are down capacity wise from their peak?

IWTs will be increasing to 24 wagon lengths later this year.

Jamie2k9 · 31-05-2018 11:05am

GM228 wrote: »

DFDS resumption is unlikely.

IWTs are generally full, loadings change from time to time, it's a seasonal thing. But I can't see how they are down capacity wise from their peak?

IWTs will be increasing to 24 wagon lengths later this year.

It was operating more than daily a summer or two ago. I don't think it was that busy in 2017 (freq) and probally not this year either. Loads are good overall.

GM228 · 31-05-2018 11:10am

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

It was operating more than daily a summer or two ago.

And still is.

LuckyLloyd · 31-05-2018 4:19pm

Where does IWT run to and from?

GM228 · 31-05-2018 4:23pm

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Where does IWT run to and from?

Dublin Port to Ballina.

andrewfaulk · 31-05-2018 6:18pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

It was operating more than daily a summer or two ago. I don't think it was that busy in 2017 (freq) and probally not this year either. Loads are good overall.

Can I ask what the basis for this is I.e what are you basing this comment on?

Jamie2k9 · 01-06-2018 2:29pm

GM228 wrote: »

And still is.

Admittedly I didn't track it as often as I would have liked but was 2017 schedules the same as 2016. It just seems a little quieter.

Can I ask what the basis for this is I.e what are you basing this comment on?

Which part freq or loads?

The_Wanderer · 01-06-2018 3:26pm

Wednesday 30th May 2018:

The final update for May features the final Waterford to Ballina DFDS Liner at Kildare with 083 and at Hybla with 079. 079 took over from 083 at Kildare. The freight flow has ceased due to traffic levels on the route being too low for DFDS to sustain.

Click http://goo.gl/xAAb1p to see the pictures of the Liner plus the passenger traffic passing Kildare at this time.

GM228 · 01-06-2018 4:56pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Admittedly I didn't track it as often as I would have liked but was 2017 schedules the same as 2016. It just seems a little quieter.

Which part freq or loads?

Overall there were more IWTs in 2017 than 2016, it has grown year on year.

andrewfaulk · 01-06-2018 6:11pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Admittedly I didn't track it as often as I would have liked but was 2017 schedules the same as 2016. It just seems a little quieter.

Which part freq or loads?

I see, cause you were way off the mark.. 2016 was prob one of the lowest years in terms of trains, as we applied lean engineering(learnt from my time in IE ironically) to the train ops.. 2017 was busier, particularly Q3 and Q4 as we were up to 10 trains a week to handle the extra business arising from Hurricane damage to the Coca-Cola plant in Puerto Rico.. That business finished at the end of 2017..

So far 2018 has been the busiest year in my time with IWT, we’re up 1 train a week on normal 2017 ops(to 6/7/8 a week), with a 2nd likely as more business moves to the Ballina plant(7/8 per week)..

Also, load factor Dublin to Ballina is 99.5% since mid 2016.. which is the leg that matters

The longer trains can’t come soon enough

Jamie2k9 · 01-06-2018 11:07pm

andrewfaulk wrote: »

I see, cause you were way off the mark.. 2016 was prob one of the lowest years in terms of trains, as we applied lean engineering(learnt from my time in IE ironically) to the train ops.. 2017 was busier, particularly Q3 and Q4 as we were up to 10 trains a week to handle the extra business arising from Hurricane damage to the Coca-Cola plant in Puerto Rico.. That business finished at the end of 2017..

So far 2018 has been the busiest year in my time with IWT, we’re up 1 train a week on normal 2017 ops(to 6/7/8 a week), with a 2nd likely as more business moves to the Ballina plant(7/8 per week)..

Also, load factor Dublin to Ballina is 99.5% since mid 2016.. which is the leg that matters

The longer trains can’t come soon enough

Knew loads were very high, I guess it was the plant damage and subsequent drop in freq after which make me think it has been reduced.

tabbey · 01-06-2018 11:21pm

The_Wanderer wrote: »

Wednesday 30th May 2018:

The final update for May features the final Waterford to Ballina DFDS Liner at Kildare with 083 and at Hybla with 079. 079 took over from 083 at Kildare. The freight flow has ceased due to traffic levels on the route being too low for DFDS to sustain.

Click http://goo.gl/xAAb1p to see the pictures of the Liner plus the passenger traffic passing Kildare at this time.

Am I right in thinking that the overbridge at Hybla is the private access to Hybla House?
All other roads between Cherryville and Monasterevan seem to be underbridges or level crossings.

IE 222 · 07-06-2018 8:20pm

Has the closure of the Carlow coke plant increased production in Ballina. Is IWT seen a increase in volume from this.

Is any of the Waterford traffic likely to change to IWT via Dublin.

IE 222 · 15-06-2018 12:38pm

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/0614/970482-maritime-links/

Could this bring some rail frieght back. Would the EU insist on rail been utilised more if given a major investment.

Isambard · 15-06-2018 12:40pm

wouldn't they just ship goods into the port of the City where they consigned to?

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