Canada close to cannabis legalisation

facehugger99 · 08-06-2018 07:36AM #1

So, Canada's senate has voted to legalise recreational cannabis, putting the country on track to become the first G7 nation to permit national use of the drug.

Surely it's now only a matter of time before most western countries follow suit.

How long before Ireland adopts a similar policy?

Still could be 20 years off I think.

Hande hoche! · 08-06-2018 07:43AM

Good referendum fodder.

Tigger · 08-06-2018 07:45AM

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Good referendum fodder.

There’s nothing in the constitution to change is there ?

Hande hoche! · 08-06-2018 07:48AM

Tigger wrote: »

There’s nothing in the constitution to change is there ?

Think of de children....

Tigger · 08-06-2018 07:51AM

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Think of de children....

No dope for the kiddies only us grown ups

KingNerolives · 08-06-2018 07:53AM

Can't understand why we want it recreationally... Medical cannabis is obviously vital for some cases

Wanderer78 · 08-06-2018 07:59AM

facehugger99 wrote:

Still could be 20 years off I think.

You d be surprised how quick some things change, we may not be waiting that long, but I do expect it eventually

08-06-2018 08:05AM

It would be great in Ireland as it would lower alcohol consumption.

Wanderer78 · 08-06-2018 08:07AM

Deleted User wrote:

It would be great in Ireland as it would lower alcohol consumption.

Is there any proof of this?

08-06-2018 08:11AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Is there any proof of this?

You want proof about a future event. Put down the blunt, mate.

Graces7 · 08-06-2018 08:12AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It would be great in Ireland as it would lower alcohol consumption.

Very much doubt it. Scary to think of stoned folk everywhere..

Wanderer78 · 08-06-2018 08:14AM

Deleted User wrote:

It would be great in Ireland as it would lower alcohol consumption.

Deleted User wrote:

You want proof about a future event. Put down the blunt, mate.

What do you base your assumption on, we have a bit of an odd relationship with alcohol, many drinkers have little or no interest in recreational drugs, some do of course?

Peregrinus · 08-06-2018 08:15AM

Deleted User wrote: »

You want proof about a future event. Put down the blunt, mate.

No, it's a reasonable question. Is there any evidence that increased cannabis consumption is associated with reduced alcohol consumption? Or that easing legal restrictions on cannabis use is associated with reduced alcohol consumption?

ianob7 · 08-06-2018 08:15AM

Graces7 wrote:

Very much doubt it. Scary to think of stoned folk everywhere..

Much much much prefer people walking around chilled out and happy rather than drunk and angry + causing trouble

Wanderer78 · 08-06-2018 08:15AM

Graces7 wrote:

Very much doubt it. Scary to think of stoned folk everywhere..

I suspect it probably wouldn't be that bad, we may have a honeymoon period, but maybe afterwards....

The Bishop Basher · 08-06-2018 08:19AM

Graces7 wrote: »

Very much doubt it. Scary to think of stoned folk everywhere..

I can think of few things less scary.

Drunk people ? Now that’s a different story..

sbsquarepants · 08-06-2018 08:22AM

Graces7 wrote: »

Very much doubt it. Scary to think of stoned folk everywhere..

In reality it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference - anybody who wants it now can get it in a few minutes as it is. Would be just a bit less cloak and dagger that's all.

Personally speaking, I don't use it, it's just not my thing - but I'm all for legalisation.

I also don't think it's as harmless as certain people make it out to be, but it's still their own choice to make. It's almost certainly not as harmful as smoking and drinking to excess and certainly far less so than other drugs I've taken in the past.

My viewpoint is I own my body - what I do to it is up to me.

ianob7 · 08-06-2018 08:22AM

Rennaws wrote:

Drunk people ? Now thatâ€™s a different story..

Was just gonna pose this question.

Who's company would you rather keep ??

A stoner a few j's deep or a drunk a few hours into a bender ??

I'm going with the happy individual on the natural plant over drunk all day every day

smurgen · 08-06-2018 08:24AM

Who actually cares about this ****.when are we going to start tackling big issues in this country?

jiltloop · 08-06-2018 08:25AM

Graces7 wrote: »

Very much doubt it. Scary to think of stoned folk everywhere..

If you're scared by that notion then you really don't understand the drug.

P.s there are already stoned folk everywhere.

08-06-2018 08:26AM

Graces7 wrote: »

Very much doubt it. Scary to think of stoned folk everywhere..

https://youtu.be/aYHDzrdXHEA

The Bishop Basher · 08-06-2018 08:29AM

jiltloop wrote: »

P.s there are already stoned folk everywhere.

Agreed. Weed is as common as cornflakes. Legalizing it just takes it out of the hands of criminals and saves those who enjoy it from risking prosecution.

It’s a complete no brainer. We just need our politicians to catch up and accept the inevitable reality which means we might be waiting..

sbsquarepants · 08-06-2018 08:29AM

ianob7 wrote: »

Much much much prefer people walking around chilled out and happy rather than drunk and angry + causing trouble

See this is the sort of false utopian vision of cannabis that people spout - not everyone who smokes a join turns into Gerry Garcia and lies in the grass in their tie died t shirt admiring the clouds.

Take a walk around the phoenix park on a hot day and there's any number of gangs of little bastards openly smoking joints and making a nuisance of themselves.

Cannabis does not turn aggressive **** into pacifist hippies!

Franz Von Peppercorn · 08-06-2018 08:30AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You want proof about a future event. Put down the blunt, mate.

Yeh. The future event you said would definitely happen. We want proof of that.

08-06-2018 08:30AM

Lived in British Columbia for years, well known for their BC Bud (it really is excellent). A colleague's husband worked in the local drug squad and I asked him about the fact that weed was everywhere there.

He said if it's someone on the street smoking a reeefer or whatever the cops are almost certainly not going to do anything about it, they just targeted dealers who were also selling harder stuff.

I seen it in a daily basis. Smoking a reeefer beside a cop, cool. Open liquour in the street. That's a fine. Vancouver is easily one of the safest cities I've ever set foot in. The amount of potheads is astounding, not surprised they passed this bill at all as from what I remember BC Bud is generating $3billion+ into the economy.

Wanderer78 · 08-06-2018 08:32AM

Rennaws wrote:

Agreed. Weed is as common as cornflakes. Legalizing it just takes it out of the hands of criminals and saves those who enjoy it from risking prosecution.

Governments would probably have to form some sort of relationships with gangs though, in order to supply the stuff

Franz Von Peppercorn · 08-06-2018 08:34AM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

In reality it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference - anybody who wants it now can get it in a few minutes as it is. Would be just a bit less cloak and dagger that's all.

Personally speaking, I don't use it, it's just not my thing - but I'm all for legalisation.

I also don't think it's as harmless as certain people make it out to be, but it's still their own choice to make. It's almost certainly not as harmful as smoking and drinking to excess and certainly far less so than other drugs I've taken in the past.

My viewpoint is I own my body - what I do to it is up to me.

I’ve seen quite a lot of paranoid weed users.

It strikes me that legalisation won’t change much as it will be probably banned from public places anyway.

As for your body your rules, the state is getting more prohibitive with some legal drugs and food as it is.

08-06-2018 08:38AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

What do you base your assumption on, we have a bit of an odd relationship with alcohol, many drinkers have little or no interest in recreational drugs, some do of course?

Peregrinus wrote: »

No, it's a reasonable question. Is there any evidence that increased cannabis consumption is associated with reduced alcohol consumption? Or that easing legal restrictions on cannabis use is associated with reduced alcohol consumption?

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Yeh. The future even you said would definitely happen. We want proof of that.

There are dozens of links on Google.

WAPO: Medical marijuana took a bite out of alcohol sales. Recreational pot could take an even bigger one.

Forbes: Alcohol Sales Dropped 15% In States With Medical Marijuana Laws

So while it does appear to reduce alcohol consumption and binge drinking in America, that is obviously not proof of a hypothetical situation in a different country.

I definitely think it would reduce alcohol consumption. I'm sure you'll argue with me and find fault with all the reports and articles. Enjoy yourselves.

jiltloop · 08-06-2018 08:40AM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

See this is the sort of false utopian vision of cannabis that people spout - not everyone who smokes a join turns into Gerry Garcia and lies in the grass in their tie died t shirt admiring the clouds.

Take a walk around the phoenix park on a hot day and there's any number of gangs of little bastards openly smoking joints and making a nuisance of themselves.

Cannabis does not turn aggressive **** into pacifist hippies!

Conversely the fact that little knackers are smoking a plant doesn't meant that the plant is evil and should be illegal. If they were drinking coffee would you be blaming coffee?

I guarantee that those gangs of little bastards were also drinking naggins as well.

I say this as someone who used to smoke weed heavily and had to give up as it started causing anxiety and motivation issues. I know more than most the negative aspects of this drug (and the positive!).

I would agree with heavily controlled legislation for recreational use but also education around the negative affects it can have on some people. The only harm that this drug can cause is to a small percentage of users themselves. It doesn't incite anti social behavior, it is not a gateway drug but we still need to be realistic about how powerful it can be (especially with the super-strains around these days).

Franz Von Peppercorn · 08-06-2018 08:41AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There are dozens of links on Google.

WAPO: Medical marijuana took a bite out of alcohol sales. Recreational pot could take an even bigger one.

Forbes: Alcohol Sales Dropped 15% In States With Medical Marijuana Laws

So while it does appear to reduce alcohol consumption and binge drinking in America, that is obviously not proof of a hypothetical situation in a different country.

I definitely think it would reduce alcohol consumption. I'm sure you'll argue with me and find fault with all the reports and articles. Enjoy yourselves.

So you can predict a future event. Cool.

This indicates that use of marijuana does go up as it is legalised but fair enough.

08-06-2018 08:42AM

ianob7 wrote: »

Much much much prefer people walking around chilled out and happy rather than drunk and angry + causing trouble

Because taking pot or being drunk are the only two options in life.

Canada close to cannabis legalisation

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