Brexit discussion thread III

Bigus wrote: »

The days of high oil prices is a busted flush in 2018 , as a result of alternative renewable energies such as wind( as high as 65% of Ireland's total electricity requirements sometimes), solar and energy storage along with much more efficient ICE and even electric cars.
High oil prices would only hasten role out of these alternatives, ultimately collapsing the price forever which is not in the oil producers interest.

Interesting theory all the same dublinbuster to bring some logic to Brexit. If it's worse for us we'll make sure it's a disaster for you , type of logic .

Agreed on high oil prices. Every time the oil price rises, the focus on renewable energy intensifies, and the oil price drops, but with less potential for rises. High oil prices artificially propped up by producers are now self-defeating in the medium term thanks to the possible alternatives.

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Meanwhile, Sam Coates reports that the new backstop will be published tomorrow, will be much the same as the leaked one, but the time limit will be diluted, only ending if/when an alternative solution can be implemented.

Isn't that the same as the December backstop? I don't see the difference apart from the fact they've used the word time limit?

right its aggro so

https://www.alphaoffshore.net/british-pm-may-in-serious-row-with-brexit-minister-david-davis-over-irish-border-backstop-plan-ft/

oh dear

followup https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/theresa-may-in-serious-row-with-david-davis-report-20180606

May had planned to send the plan to Brussels this week, possibly as soon as Wednesday, but she was forced to put it on hold after Mr Davis led a rebellion by Eurosceptic cabinet ministers," the report says.

The plan didn't make it clear that any border-smoothing moves would be temporary and Davis felt it could leave Britain in the EU indefinitely.

May leaves for the G7 in Canada this afternoon.

Update: Comments from a UK govt spokesman are now crossing the wires. He says the government will publish the backstop plan for Northern Ireland 'soon'. The BBC also reports that the plan is coming today so it's possible May has told Davis that she's going ahead with it despite his objections

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Meanwhile, Sam Coates reports that the new backstop will be published tomorrow, will be much the same as the leaked one, but the time limit will be diluted, only ending if/when an alternative solution can be implemented.

To me, this sounds acceptable. I can see how Arlene and co. would have an issue with it, but maybe the British government could sweeten the deal a little by promising a few extra political concessions to the DUP on matters domestic.

Fury over Galileo ( but in all honesty what did he expect here ? )

This is bizarre - Davis confirms backstop will be published imminently, but follows up by saying he doesn't expect a resolution until October!

It's all happening as we all suspected it would.

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1004386250512576517

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1004387189915095040

Nody wrote: »

Saw this comment on an Indo article and I think it sums things up quite well atm:

The EU cannot compromise or do any wheeling and dealing. It's a rules based organisation for 28 countries and 500m people. If they started tearing up their own rule book to accommodate individual external countries, the whole thing would fall apart.

It would be like trying to join a club but insisting that the club change their rules in order to allow you to join, because you are not happy with their current rules.

https://twitter.com/ImIncorrigible/status/1004420793969840130



Davis reported to be refusing to present backstop plan tomorrow.

BoJo not happy...

https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/1004423394673283077

Also...it's not even being debated apparently...


https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/1004423056335437825

Well if the bullshíteers quit en mass then "cheerio, cheerio, cheerio!"

If May has decided to commit to the backstop because of absolutely no other realistic option then it basically mean's that there is some progress and those who keep shítstirring when they have absolutely no facts or anything to back up their position can either "put up or shut up". It could also be her own way of basically saying "Go ahead and challenge me if you dare" because if she win's she's the one in control and if she loses then she no longer owns the problem but it falls on the likes of Mogg's, Boris and Gove who get to fall on their sword when they ultimately fúck up and take what's left of Britain down the toilet.

Twitter thread where the Leave.EU guy basically calls Johnson/Mogg Davis etc a load of charlatans:

https://twitter.com/PeteNorth303/status/1003992951557681152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Fukpolitics%2F

I think they're starting to feel the crunch coming.

Thargor wrote: »

Twitter thread where the Leave.EU guy basically calls Johnson/Mogg Davis etc a load of charlatans:

https://twitter.com/PeteNorth303/status/1003992951557681152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Fukpolitics%2F

I think they're starting to feel the crunch coming.

He makes some good points. This is basically a man who has come to the realisation he had been sold a pup. Articulates it well though.