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Referendum for Euthanasia

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  • #32
    TomOnBoard
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    Rennaws wrote: »
    I get what your saying but I also don’t think we should pussyfoot around the terminology here. Euthanasia is the ending of a life to relieve suffering. I’ve never heard of anyone put forward an argument for anything other then voluntary euthanasia. It’s implicitly implied as the alternative is otherwise known as murder and carries a lengthy jail term.

    In 1939, prior to the start of World War 2, a child euthanasia programme was started in Germany, under which children deemed to be incompatible with their standards were euthanised. This programme was extended to adults later in 1939, some 2 years before what became known as the holocaust started. All that euthanasia was entirely involuntary, and was carried out in the name of reducing the suffering of the ppl who were euthanised and removing 'undesirable' characteristics from society.

    That is an example of why the distinction between voluntary and involuntary euthanasia is so important and needs to be made very clear by anyone who supports its introduction.


  • #33
    Franz Von Peppercorn
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    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Two different topics but with the same hyperbolic nonsense from certain quarters as soon as they're mentioned, in an attempt to push emotional buttons and prevent rational discussion.

    That was my point.

    If you have to explain your point...

    Clearly involuntary euthanasia against consent would be murder.

    (Ironically your outburst was the most emotional here. Everybody else was in general trying to work out the distinction between voluntary and involuntary euthanasia).


  • #34
    Peregrinus
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    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    If you have to explain your point...

    Clearly involuntary euthanasia against consent would be murder.

    (Ironically your outburst was the most emotional here. Everybody else was in general trying to work out the distinction between voluntary and involuntary euthanasia).
    But voluntary euthenasia with consent is also murder, as matters stand. People are effectively asking for a change in the law regarding murder so that "euthenasia" ceases to be regarded as murder. I think it is important to clarify exactly which cases of euthenasia are to be decriminalised and which are not; that, in fact, is going to be the focus of the whole debate. A call for the legalisation of euthenasia, followed by a terse "you know I didn't mean that" when people question the intended scope, feeds directly into fears of a slippery slope.


  • #35
    Loafing Oaf
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    Albert Reynolds is as once asked what he thought of euthanasia and he said he thought they were much the same as youth anywhere...


  • #36
    skooterblue2
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    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    If you have to explain your point...

    Clearly involuntary euthanasia against consent would be murder.

    (Ironically your outburst was the most emotional here. Everybody else was in general trying to work out the distinction between voluntary and involuntary euthanasia).

    Shure all you have to do is slip the family GP €1000 and he will sign off on it and we can clear out all the over 55's.
    Ayyy Granny just breed in the vapours deeply and go to the happy place.


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  • #37
    looksee
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    I would be completely in favour of assisted suicide being available in situations such as terminal illness or complete incapacity or unrelievable pain, I hope if I ever get to a stage where I have no quality of life someone will do me a favour and help me out. Still I think it is valid to include terms such as murder - the matter has to be discussed from all angles and opinions that it should be available, through to it would be murder, should be included.


  • #38
    ancapailldorcha
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Shure all you have to do is slip the family GP €1000 and he will sign off on it and we can clear out all the over 55's.
    Ayyy Granny just breed in the vapours deeply and go to the happy place.

    Do not post like this here again please.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #39
    lawred2
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    Eire212 wrote: »
    According to the independent, the government aim to hold 7 referendums over the next two years, one of which was the referendum on abortion which just passed.



    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/revealed-timeline-for-the-seven-referendums-youll-be-voting-in-over-the-next-two-years-36170741.html


    I don't think euthanasia was specified? Does anyone know if this is one of those 7 referendums? I personally think this would be the most significant referendum for Ireland.




    Thanks.

    Most significant? Why?

    Moreso than divorce, same sex marriage and abortion?


  • #40
    The Bishop Basher
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    lawred2 wrote: »
    Most significant? Why?

    Moreso than divorce, same sex marriage and abortion?

    It’s the only issue that’s likely to affect every single one of us alive today.

    On that basis I agree that it is the most significant, important and urgent issue we need to address should it require a referendum.


  • #41
    lawred2
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    Rennaws wrote: »
    It’s the only issue that’s likely to affect every single one of us alive today.

    On that basis I agree that it is the most significant, important and urgent issue we need to address should it require a referendum.

    Well I'm not sure about that... The vast majority of people die naturally and want to die that way.

    So it doesn't effect every single one of us. At all.

    However I've no objection whatever to euthanasia. People should be free to make such decisions.


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  • #42
    The Bishop Basher
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    lawred2 wrote: »
    Well I'm not sure about that... The vast majority of people die naturally and want to die that way.

    So it doesn't effect every single one of us. At all.

    We all die.

    We don’t all marry same sex partners, get divorced or have abortions.

    This is about having the right to choose. It doesn’t mean you have to exorcise that right..

    So in that sense it does affect everyone in a way that the other issues don’t.

    I agree that everyone should have the right to choose the time of their death.


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