Abortion - Report of the Joint Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution

Charmeleon · 25-05-2018 02:24PM

Dressing gown wrote: »

I’m not totally sure what you are getting at, but my point is this. Saying something is human is not the same as saying it is a person. Both placenta and foetus are human, but neither are people. The placenta is the “unborn” too. No one has given a figs about whether it has an equal right to life to that of the mother. The 8th amendment is a joke. I have greater respect for my constitution to have absurd protections in it. If the 8th is maintained I will bring this argument to the politicians to demonstrate the nonsense that is the 8th amendment.

The placenta is an organ of the fetus, attached via the umbilical cord. Part of an indivudual human being (two if it starts developing before identical twins split). When it is cut away after birth it does not qualify for ‘the right to life’ in the way that individual humans do.

An Ciarraioch · 25-05-2018 02:27PM

Judging by Gavan Reilly and Richard Chambers on Twitter, we could well see GE-level turnout, reports of 33-40% already!

Zubeneschamali · 25-05-2018 04:19PM

Charmeleon wrote: »

When it is cut away after birth it does not qualify for ‘the right to life’ in the way that individual humans do.

Heartless! Unfeeling!

Equal rights for placentas!

Zubeneschamali · 25-05-2018 04:22PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Judging by Gavan Reilly and Richard Chambers on Twitter, we could well see GE-level turnout, reports of 33-40% already!

So much for the faint No hope that the young would not turn out.

LuckyLloyd · 25-05-2018 06:09PM

Turnout slowing significantly as the day wears on...

Sierra Oscar · 25-05-2018 06:18PM

I reckon we're going to see 60% yes, perhaps even approaching 65%.

LuckyLloyd · 25-05-2018 06:21PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

I reckon we're going to see 60% yes, perhaps even approaching 65%.

I want to believe this, and early turnout data was very positive to a larger than expected Yes win, but turnout data is less solid circa 6pm and trending in a negative direction

Sierra Oscar · 25-05-2018 06:24PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I want to believe this, and early turnout data was very positive to a larger than expected Yes win, but turnout data is less solid circa 6pm and trending in a negative direction

The yes campaign are worried about complacency this evening, that's why they are putting that message out and fair play.

Turnout is fine though, it'll be well above average.

An Ciarraioch · 25-05-2018 06:34PM

One startling tweet by John Kilraine of RTE - 65% in Blanchardstown.

Ronan|Raven · 25-05-2018 07:28PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I want to believe this, and early turnout data was very positive to a larger than expected Yes win, but turnout data is less solid circa 6pm and trending in a negative direction

Dublin has been gridlocked since 3pm. It was picking up a lot in Bray as of a while ago.

Loafing Oaf · 25-05-2018 08:57PM

Anyone know when the Irish times exit poll is due? Should be the first clear indication of how things have gone...

Enzokk · 25-05-2018 09:06PM

Irish Times exit poll projects Ireland has voted by landslide to repeal Eighth Amendment

Ireland has voted by a landslide margin to change the constitution so that abortion can be legalised, according to an exit poll conducted for The Irish Times by Ipsos/MRBI.

The poll suggests that the margin of victory for the Yes side in yesterday’s referendum will be 68 per cent to 32 per cent – a stunning victory for the Yes side after a long and often divisive campaign.

25-05-2018 09:07PM

Landslide victory for YES

meeeeh · 25-05-2018 09:08PM

Brilliant

LuckyLloyd · 25-05-2018 09:29PM

:):):):):)

Gbear · 25-05-2018 09:42PM

If that's accurate I'm amazed and hugely impressed by the people of this country.

wheresmahbombs · 25-05-2018 09:44PM

Boy, am I glad that the majority is voting yes. It's about time women should be able to simply just get an abortion if they want, without having to travel to another country in order to do so.

JaMarcus · 25-05-2018 09:46PM

87% of 18-24 year olds voted Yes.

Fantastic.

Enzokk · 25-05-2018 10:20PM

The RTE poll has it at 69.4% Yes and 30.6% No.

RTÉ exit poll on the Eighth Amendment projects: Yes 69.4% No 30.6%

https://twitter.com/RTELateLateShow/status/1000139317166133250

uck51js9zml2yt · 25-05-2018 10:27PM

JaMarcus wrote: »

87% of 18-24 year olds voted Yes.

Fantastic.

Sadly most of these won't vote again in the next election.
It was the same with the marriage equality. They came out in numbers and then stayed in bed for the general election

25-05-2018 10:27PM

Once the shackles of the church were removed, the country has changed so much, and it's great.

Infini · 25-05-2018 11:07PM

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Once the shackles of the church were removed, the country has changed so much, and it's great.

To be fair those shackles weren't so much removed but outright disintegrated when their own dark corrupt underbelly got exposed and ironically enough it was the abuse of kid's that done it.

Timberrrrrrrr · 26-05-2018 06:35AM

Congratulations everyone who voted, I have never been prouder of the Irish people than I am this morning.

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26-05-2018 07:32AM

Esperanza12 wrote: »

I’m not talking about rape victims. I’m talking about the vast majority of cases lumped under the Yes campain's description of “crisis pregnancies”. If you really don’t want to get pregnant, you can avoid having sex during your fertile period (only a few days a month) and use more than one form of contraception. A bit of an inconvenience, I’ll agree. And there are other ways of having fun with a sexual partner besides penetrative sex. Too late to start thinking about responsibility after the act - it’s all “poor me”. Pro-choice, my foot. More like anti-consequence.

So when I broke my neck, playing rugby, I should just have been told "you knew the risks, tough" and been refused a space in the Spinal Unit?

I mean a broken neck is a huge risk in rugby but thousands of lads play every weekend during the winter. Are we going to tell them to just accept the consequences of their actions?

This is looking like a very good day in Ireland, where no woman will be risked for no reason and no husband/wife will have to look on helplessly as their partner dies because of a fetal heartbeat still going

26-05-2018 07:44AM

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I only knew one person voting No. Any friends, family, work colleagues were voting Yes. So they said anyway.

A lot of them were older voters too.

Enzokk · 26-05-2018 09:16AM

So it seems that John McGuirk on RTE is now suggesting that the No vote should be heard even though it is only about 35% of the electorate. I have to question why the minority should now be heard seeing that there has been very little compromise from the Vote-No side for more than 30 years. It's a bit rich of him to now ask that respect and kindness are accorded to those on the Vote-No side.

I hope there will be some reflection from those that wanted to keep the 8th intact. Maybe if they followed his advice and actually listened to the "minority" who wanted to repeal the 8th a little more maybe they would have been able to have a voice on what happens next instead of having campaigned on a vote of no change. It seems to be too late to try and preach listening to the other side.

LuckyLloyd · 26-05-2018 09:44AM

Enzokk wrote: »

So it seems that John McGuirk on RTE is now suggesting that the No vote should be heard even though it is only about 35% of the electorate. I have to question why the minority should now be heard seeing that there has been very little compromise from the Vote-No side for more than 30 years. It's a bit rich of him to now ask that respect and kindness are accorded to those on the Vote-No side.

I hope there will be some reflection from those that wanted to keep the 8th intact. Maybe if they followed his advice and actually listened to the "minority" who wanted to repeal the 8th a little more maybe they would have been able to have a voice on what happens next instead of having campaigned on a vote of no change. It seems to be too late to try and preach listening to the other side.

They believed they were still in control on this one. It's only 16 year's ago that 49.6% voted to insert an expansion of the 8th amendment to exclude suicide as a reason for abortion. There was never any flexibility in their messaging or methods, a sure sign of complete confidence that they could win a straight up debate on the matter. I bet you the likes of the Iona Institute will be extremely shocked by the ultimate result.

FreudianSlippers · 26-05-2018 02:12PM

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There was never a silent no majority. It's a bunch of online trolls, conservative Americans and the (hopefully) last few remaining backwards-thinking Irish who are slaves to the Catholic church.

nozzferrahhtoo · 26-05-2018 05:24PM

Enzokk wrote: »

So it seems that John McGuirk on RTE is now suggesting that the No vote should be heard even though it is only about 35% of the electorate. I have to question why the minority should now be heard seeing that there has been very little compromise from the Vote-No side for more than 30 years. It's a bit rich of him to now ask that respect and kindness are accorded to those on the Vote-No side.

I think the concerns of the no voters should be heard because one thing that seemed to get lost often in the debates of recent months is that we ALL share a common ground. We ALL want less, ideally no, abortions to actually be happening.

So now they have so dramatically lost the Irish Hearts and Minds in terms of achieving that goal by directly banning the practice, they should stand up and join us pro choice yes campaigners and voters in getting behind every and all initiatives we can....... to build an environment where we minimise the quantity of unplanned pregnancies........... maximise the choices and opportunities for those women who find themselves having one so that abortion is not the only option that seems viable to them........... and get behind our scientists and universities as they produce people, knowledge and break throughs that gives us more and more options to offer women who find themselves with a pregnancy not going to plan.

And TOGETHER as one people, one society we can help work towards a society where as few women as possible ever have to make that choice, of if they have to make it they do so with a full range of other options in front of them too.

Let us forget the differences of the past few months and unite all of us towards a common goal we can all agree with. Using the full breath of heart, energy, dedication, finances and resources we saw both sides bring to bear in recent months.

Abortion - Report of the Joint Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution

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