The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

nullzero · 24-05-2018 10:58PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

Why any woman in their right mind is voting no is beyond me.

If not for themselves they need to vote YES for their daughters,future grand daughters etc.

And btw it is not necessarily about men controlling women it goes much deeper than that. Its actually about other women controlling women. Women who you`d expect to have a level of sympathy with women who choose to have a termination.

Ive said it before and Ill say it again.
This referendum is about choice. A womans choice to do what she wants with her own body.

And for those undecided regardless of your views on whether you agree with abortion or not get out there and vote YES tomorrow even if its just to give women a choice.

It is possible to be Pro choice and anti abortion.

Women have the right to their opinions and shouldn't be lumped into groups based on gender.

Conservatory · 24-05-2018 10:59PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

This is a criminal matter. There is a ban 100m in either direction from the entrance of the polling station. There should be a Garda present at every polling station, ask them to take action, otherwise dial 999.

Just checked in here before bed and all I can say is woah.
Take a step back there buddy. Are you sure you are mature enough to influence how people vote on such a topic?
When you say trust women is this what’ll happen? 999 calls around the country for Garda to measure poster distances?

nullzero · 24-05-2018 10:59PM

P_1 wrote: »

Lets make some history tomorrow. Let's remove a stain on our history. Lets cast off the remaining influence of an evil foreign empire. Lets just do the right thing and trust women.

Evil foreign empire?

antiskeptic · 24-05-2018 11:00PM

dudara wrote: »

I disagree. There is a not unsubstantial cohort of women who choose not to continue a pregnancy every year. If abortion remains generally illegal, women will turn to any channel they can to access it.

Seemingly not. The rise in the UK went from a baseline of 25,000 legal abortions in year 1 after legalisation ... to 167,000 in year 5.

Are we to suppose it took 5 years to convince ca.122, 000 women p.a. to turn away from back street abortions they had long being having.

Or do you suppose something fundamentally changed in that society?

Guy:Incognito · 24-05-2018 11:01PM

nullzero wrote: »

What has that got to do with anything?
What sort of parent willfully exposes their child carcinogens full stop?
Hardly a relevant point.

Just an observation. Surely they should be doing everything to promote their child's health.

Anyway, it's still much more relevant that plenty of their ****e spouted and used as excuses.

Hellrazer · 24-05-2018 11:01PM

nullzero wrote: »

Women have the right to their opinions and shouldn't be lumped into groups based on gender.

Of course they have a right to their opinion. It just really baffles me why a law which openly discriminates against women has so many female supporters that want to keep it in place.

antiskeptic · 24-05-2018 11:02PM

Conservatory wrote: »

Just checked in here before bed and all I can say is woah.
Take a step back there buddy. Are you sure you are mature enough to influence how people vote on such a topic?
When you say trust women is this what’ll happen? 999 calls around the country for Garda to measure poster distances?

He's back!

Paranoid Bob · 24-05-2018 11:02PM

Digital_Guy wrote: »

That's quite the leap, I never suggested that any names be given. And who would lie if we trust women? Very, very few I'd imagine.

OK; so your position is that you can get an abortion if you sign a declaration that you were raped, but there is no need to look at evidence or start an investigation.

Floodgates! Abortion on demand!

I guess that does not work. Rape is a very serious crime, and if someone makes an allegation then as a society it is important we find the perpetrator.

nullzero · 24-05-2018 11:02PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

Of course they have a right to their opinion. It just really baffles me why a law which openly discriminates against women has so many female supporters that want to keep it in place.

Perhaps their opinions are more nuanced, maybe they don't agree with the unrestricted abortion up to 12 weeks but agree with the rest?

gmisk · 24-05-2018 11:03PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

Why any woman in their right mind is voting no is beyond me.

If not for themselves they need to vote YES for their daughters,future grand daughters etc.

And btw it is not necessarily about men controlling women it goes much deeper than that. Its actually about other women controlling women. Women who you`d expect to have a level of sympathy with women who choose to have a termination.

Ive said it before and Ill say it again.
This referendum is about choice. A womans choice to do what she wants with her own body.

And for those undecided regardless of your views on whether you agree with abortion or not get out there and vote YES tomorrow even if its just to give women a choice.

It is possible to be Pro choice and anti abortion.

Absolutely Spot on, thank you.

I am a man, a gay man, this will never affect me directly, but I have friends who have been affected horribly by it.
I have also read enough real life stories on the in her shoes page to see the 8th has to be repealed.
Voting no offers no solutions to the problem it just continues to force woman and couples to travel to the UK or order pills illegally online.
The No side are now saying we can legislate for FFA rape etc (we can't), and even if it was ever attempted they would still vote against it.

Hope the yes crowd vote, we need everyone, you can be sure the No side will.

Bed time for me up early to vote Yes, night all.
Repeal the 8th.

nullzero · 24-05-2018 11:03PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Just an observation. Surely they should be doing everything to promote their child's health.

Anyway, it's still much more relevant that plenty of their ****e spouted and used as excuses.

I have no idea what relevance this has to the referendum.

nullzero · 24-05-2018 11:04PM

P_1 wrote: »

Lets make some history tomorrow. Let's remove a stain on our history. Lets cast off the remaining influence of an evil foreign empire. Lets just do the right thing and trust women.

Have to quote this again I'm afraid as it can get lost all too easily.
What foreign empire are we talking about here?

Hellrazer · 24-05-2018 11:06PM

nullzero wrote: »

Perhaps their opinions are more nuanced, maybe they don't agree with the unrestricted abortion up to 12 weeks but agree with the rest?

That's quite possible. But as I said before you can still be pro womens choice but not necessarily agree with abortion.

What one woman chooses to do in the case of an unwanted pregnancy shouldn't really be anyones elses concern.

antiskeptic · 24-05-2018 11:06PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

What??

Women who can't get an abortion here when our new laws come in will travel to england.

Do you agree that they be forced to travel by our new restrictive abortion laws

namloc1980 · 24-05-2018 11:07PM

antiskeptic wrote: »

Women who can't get an abortion here when our new laws come in will travel to england.

Do you agree that they be forced to travel by our new restrictive abortion laws

In what circumstances? I support repeal and allow our legislators to, you know, legislate.

Try_harder · 24-05-2018 11:07PM

Has Cora been let out yet?

Conservatory · 24-05-2018 11:07PM

antiskeptic wrote: »

He's back!

Well think of it. People must be so stupid that they can travel all the way to the polling station but if a poster is 2 meters closer to the polling station than legally required they will be bullied into voting no. The police need to be called.

Then spend months telling people trust women. What if they are pregnant but see a poster.

cournioni · 24-05-2018 11:07PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

But you are not opposing women openly travelling for what, you are telling me, you consider a murder.

Why not?

Have I not already answered this? I have views against abortion on demand (ie perfectly healthy unborn and mother) no matter where it is. Do I need to keep repeating? The constitution allows it, and I don’t agree with it.

Sheeps · 24-05-2018 11:08PM

Just another yes voter assuming that someone who believes that all no voters have religious foundations to the belief that a babies right to life is just as important as the mothers.

nullzero · 24-05-2018 11:08PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

That's quite possible. But as I said before you can still be pro womens choice but not necessarily agree with abortion.

What one woman chooses to do in the case of an unwanted pregnancy shouldn't really be anyones elses concern.

At least you're being civil which I greatly appreciate as well as your right to your opinion. Take care.

Trasna1 · 24-05-2018 11:09PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Just out of curiousity if anyone knows.....

IF the Yes side wins, will there be redundancies in the IONA Institute? Baptism is no longer going to be required for entry to Catholic schools, Divorce is established, SSM is here, and maybe the eighth will be repealed.

I'd be interested to know what their next crusade might be.

The next push will be for Assisted dying and euthanasia. They will take a stand against that, if they are still around. Abortion and keeping the 8th was the thread that holds these organisations together, I suspect without it they will melt away.

nullzero · 24-05-2018 11:11PM

In relation to the earlier post by the user P_1 does anyone understand how repealing the eight amendment is going to free us from the shackles of an evil foreign empire?
A number of users thanked the post and I'm just curious as to its context.

antiskeptic · 24-05-2018 11:11PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

In what circumstances? I support repeal and allow our legislators to, you know, legislate.

Our minister has categorically stated our abortion laws wont reflect the english laws. They will be more restrictive.

This means women travelling - to circumvent whatever that restriction is

Abortion up to 6 months easily there. Very restricted grounds here.

Travrelling women.

You sound a bit surprised. You not thought this one thro'

minikin · 24-05-2018 11:12PM

Fred Swanson · 24-05-2018 11:13PM

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gctest50 · 24-05-2018 11:13PM

Try_harder wrote: »

Has Cora been let out yet?

Has been assimilated by boards.ie servers

circular flexing · 24-05-2018 11:14PM

antiskeptic wrote: »

Our minister has categorically stated our abortion laws wont reflect the english laws. They will be more restrictive.

This means women travelling - to circumvent whatever that restriction is

Abortion up to 6 months easily there. Very restricted grounds here.

Travrelling women.

You sound a bit surprised. You not thought this one thro'

I'm curious under what exact circumstances you think women would still have to travel.

circular flexing · 24-05-2018 11:15PM

nullzero wrote: »

In relation to the earlier post by the user P_1 does anyone understand how repealing the eight amendment is going to free us from the shackles of an evil foreign empire?
A number of users thanked the post and I'm just curious as to its context.

I'm going to guess they are talking about the 8th Amendment being heavily influenced by American pro-life groups.

namloc1980 · 24-05-2018 11:15PM

antiskeptic wrote: »

Our minister has categorically stated our abortion laws wont reflect the english laws. They will be more restrictive.

This means women travelling - to circumvent whatever that restriction is

Abortion up to 6 months easily there. Very restricted grounds here.

Travrelling women.

You sound a bit surprised. You not thought this one thro'

Very restricted here??? But the No side say otherwise. You haven't read the heads of the proposed bill have you? Maybe you should do that first.

NuMarvel · 24-05-2018 11:15PM

Try_harder wrote: »

Has Cora been let out yet?

I think she managed to bargain for her freedom by promising McGuirk a lifetime supply of Skips and vowing never to shop in Tescos again. True story.

The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

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