The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

gmisk · 24-05-2018 05:32PM

January wrote: »

I finished up my campaigning this morning by doing a postcard drop in my estate this morning, as I was coming in to one garden a man in his 70's was leaving his house and I said 'hey, can I leave this here with you' and he said 'no point love, it'll only go in the bin' and my heart dropped until he said 'it's about feckin' time Ireland was dragged out of the dark ages, we'll both be voting yes here tomorrow!' and he gave me a little pat on the shoulder and sent me on my way. I can't cope with all this home to vote stuff. I keep randomly bursting into tears. I read on twitter earlier that the home to vote movement this time is 100 times bigger than what it was for the MarRef!

Thank you so much for all your hard work.
Id say all worth it for that lovely wee moment?

TheValeyard · 24-05-2018 05:33PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

That worries me. Are all those people eligible to vote?

If not, the loveboth group will most definitely use it to declare the referendum invalid or rigged. There already watching certain accounts. Those who got polling cards and shouldn't have

Conor Bourke · 24-05-2018 05:34PM

Not sure if this has been discussed already, but given the sneaky underhand tactics of the no side, including snapping up domain names, setting up fake pro-choice pages etc... considering the roaring success of #hometovote in the SSM red, why didn’t the no side co-opt that hashtag and try to mobilise young Irish anti-choice people abroad to outdo the yes side, if they’re soooooo confident that they’re right and in the majority? Has anyone actually seen anyone posting on social media about being home to vote to save the eight amendment?

Also, John McGuirk’s increasingly ham-fisted efforts at leading a successful campaign (tweeting a photo of a ballot paper, this nullifying that vote on one of the islands today for example) lead me to wonder if he’s really just an incredibly elaborate pro-choice troll.

_Dara_ · 24-05-2018 05:34PM

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

AFAIK if you’ve been living abroad for less than 18 months you’re eligible to vote. I don’t think anyone would come home before checking the register

You can be on the register for years and years. Being on the register doesn’t mean you are ordinarily resident in Ireland (the second criterion for voting eligibility).

gmisk · 24-05-2018 05:35PM

pjohnson wrote: »

The #hometovote things are annoying.

How so?
I'd say easy enough to avoid them.

I find them really heartwarming the effort people will go to for a single vote it shows how much it means to some people.

Trasna1 · 24-05-2018 05:35PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

That worries me. Are all those people eligible to vote?

No, not all. And if the margin is as tight as divorce we will have a constitutional mess on our hands.

In fact if that happens I wouldn't be one bit sorry. These non resident ineligible voters have no place taking part in the vote.

pitifulgod · 24-05-2018 05:36PM

Cornelius Crow wrote: »

Not sure if this has been discussed already, but given the sneaky underhand tactics of the no side, including snapping up domain names, setting up fake pro-choice pages etc... considering the roaring success of #hometovote in the SSM red, why didn’t the no side co-opt that hashtag and try to mobilise young Irish anti-choice people abroad to outdo the yes side, if they’re soooooo confident that they’re right and in the majority? Has anyone actually seen anyone posting on social media about being home to vote to save the eight amendment?

Also, John McGuirk’s increasingly ham-fisted efforts at leading a successful campaign (tweeting a photo of a ballot paper, this nullifying that vote on one of the islands today for example) lead me to wonder if he’s really just an incredibly elaborate pro-choice troll.

Nah I've crossed paths with McGuirk in real life. He'll just do anything to get attention tbh and using this as a platform to get his name out there. Doubt he cares much about a result.

Try_harder · 24-05-2018 05:37PM

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

If not, the loveboth group will most definitely use it to declare the referendum invalid or rigged. There already watching certain accounts. Those who got polling cards and shouldn't have

The loveboats crowd have a home2votw movement too, to deny women in Ireland the Rights they now have. So they cant say how the H2Vs voted overall

_Dara_ · 24-05-2018 05:37PM

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

If not, the loveboth group will most definitely use it to declare the referendum invalid or rigged. There already watching certain accounts. Those who got polling cards and shouldn't have

Eek. Yep. That’s seriously a worry. I’ve a friend who has lived on the continent five years who is coming home to vote. She’s not eligible but is still on the register.

Try_harder · 24-05-2018 05:38PM

Trasna1 wrote: »

No, not all. And if the margin is as tight as divorce we will have a constitutional mess on our hands.

In fact if that happens I wouldn't be one bit sorry. These non resident ineligible voters have no place taking part in the vote.

Those studying abroad and plan to return are entitled to vote.
Those that have been aboard less than 18 months and plan to return are also entitled to vote

pjohnson · 24-05-2018 05:39PM

gmisk wrote: »

How so?
I'd say easy enough to avoid them.

I find them really heartwarming the effort people will go to for a single vote it shows how much it means to some people.

Ah its a bit pointless. If they aren't living in Ireland then what difference does it make to them.

pjohnson · 24-05-2018 05:40PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

Eek. Yep. That’s seriously a worry. I’ve a friend who has lived on the continent five years who is coming home to vote. She’s not eligible but is still on the register.

So thats grounds for appeal then

B0jangles · 24-05-2018 05:40PM

pitifulgod wrote: »

Nah I've crossed paths with McGuirk in real life. He'll just do anything to get attention tbh and using this as a platform to get his name out there. Doubt he cares much about a result.

Yeah, I've been thinking for a while that McGuirk's long-term career plan is to use this referendum to get onto the U.S. conservative think-tank gravy train - that's where the real money is these days.

_Dara_ · 24-05-2018 05:40PM

Try_harder wrote: »

Those studying abroad and plan to return are entitled to vote.
Those that have been aboard less than 18 months and plan to return are also entitled to vote

I know someone who is still on the register in Dublin but she’s lived abroad for five years. She’s coming home to vote. It’s naive to think that everyone coming home to vote is eligible.

Calina · 24-05-2018 05:41PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Well for once give us facts and stats. How many aborted are healthy? How many are the result of rape? Or FFA?

Stats would help.

Removing the 8th will make abortion on demand here. It will make it as relatively easy as going to your GP.

Once that happens, where does it stop?

You know, last Saturday I read a recent piece of research where scientists in France had finally identified the cause of polycystic ovarian syndrome. You may not have heard of it but I am sure a few of the women posting here will have. The cause is a hormonal imbalance while you are developing in the womb.

I have it. One of its ramifications is that it can be extremely difficult to get pregnant. You would consider that I was healthy in the womb but that issue in my mother’s womb has caused major health issues for me.

I am not saying I should have been aborted for it. But I would point out that you cannot in all honesty be certain that 97% of abortions were on healthy foetuses because well, one of the most common causes of infertility is caused in the womb and I bet not all of those 97% women were good clean living, non drinking, nonsmoking, non drug using mothers either which also has health implications for a foetus. We just might not see the issues at birth.

In the meantime, calling the tragedy of abortion abortion on demand is a way of trivializing women’s lives, the challenges they experience. The opposite of abortion on demand is not no abortion, it is forced abortion. Every time you rail against abortion on demand, you are making it clear you only support imposed abortion. Abortion not chosen by the pregnant woman, but chosen by you.

Calina · 24-05-2018 05:43PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Ah its a bit pointless. If they aren't living in Ireland then what difference does it make to them.

If they are women and ever come back, it may make a very big difference to them if they get cancer for example.

spookwoman · 24-05-2018 05:43PM

Any of the other yes feel this is an in creditably emotionally time. As january said you feel yourself welling all the time.
When you see a group of yes out on the roundabout with their boards or someone just saying I'm voting yes it hits you. I don't think there is that same deep emotional affect on the no side.

I can see red eyes tomorrow coming out of the polling stations.

Calina · 24-05-2018 05:44PM

Trasna1 wrote: »

No, not all. And if the margin is as tight as divorce we will have a constitutional mess on our hands.

In fact if that happens I wouldn't be one bit sorry. These non resident ineligible voters have no place taking part in the vote.

Simple majority required.

jill_valentine · 24-05-2018 05:44PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

I know someone who is still on the register in Dublin but she’s lived abroad for five years. She’s coming home to vote. It’s naive to think that everyone coming home to vote is eligible.

I recall very clearly that the last time around, the No's went to great lengths reminding us the Home to Voters were statistically negligible. Are they going to John Waters their take this time?

pjohnson · 24-05-2018 05:46PM

Calina wrote: »

If they are women and ever come back, it may make a very big difference to them if they get cancer for example.

Fair point. Its not that often people return here in reality.

Macha · 24-05-2018 05:47PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Ah its a bit pointless. If they aren't living in Ireland then what difference does it make to them.

I can't vote because I live abroad I am an Irish woman of child-bearing age. I will probably move home in the next 5 years so it could affect me personally. I could have a daughter and if she grows up in Ireland it could affect her. If I move back and my son's girlfriend or wife has a crisis pregnancy, it could affect him too. I have friends, cousins, a beautiful little niece who all live in Ireland. I would vote yes for them.

This is not so complicated.

Try_harder · 24-05-2018 05:48PM

Its also wrong to assume the are all ineligible- the vast majority would be eligible

_Dara_ · 24-05-2018 05:48PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

I recall very clearly that the last time around, the No's went to great lengths reminding us the Home to Voters were statistically negligible. Are they going to John Waters their take this time?

This result could be very close. Divorce was decided by 9000 votes, remember? So I just want the #hometovoters to be eligible, that’s all. In case there’s a challenge.

Try_harder wrote: »

Its also wrong to assume the are all ineligible- the vast majority would be eligible

I hope so!

Frank Bullitt · 24-05-2018 05:51PM

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January · 24-05-2018 05:52PM

gmisk wrote: »

Thank you so much for all your hard work.
Id say all worth it for that lovely wee moment?

It was all worth it. Every bit of it. Even the discussion here (if infuriating at times) has made my heart swell with so many supporters of the Yes vote. You've all been amazing and I thank you for fighting for me and my daughters.

Now, I'm off to cry again and soak my bleeding heels.

Calina · 24-05-2018 05:52PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Fair point. Its not that often people return here in reality.

Well I left Ireland in 1994 and came back 5 years later. I left again 2 years ago but certainly in 2000 a large cohort came back and I believe there has been inflow for past few years too.

Try_harder · 24-05-2018 05:53PM

Gintonious wrote: »

Sure arent people saying that anyway- people making themselves homeless to get free new houses and free buggys

freshpopcorn · 24-05-2018 05:53PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Any of the other yes feel this is an in creditably emotionally time. As january said you feel yourself welling all the time.
When you see a group of yes out on the roundabout with their boards or someone just saying I'm voting yes it hits you. I don't think there is that same deep emotional affect on the no side.

I can see red eyes tomorrow coming out of the polling stations.

I have seen people on both sides of the campaign get emotional. I haven't seen those middle of the road people get overly emotional about it.
Plenty of people won't vote Tomorrow and the main reason is they weren't bothered!

Try_harder · 24-05-2018 05:55PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I have seen people on both sides of the campaign get emotional. I haven't seen those middle of the road people get overly emotional about it.
Plenty of people won't vote Tomorrow and the main reason is they weren't bothered!

Lots of people feel disenfranchised or unable to decide or that its not worth their while.

Happens every vote

Blud · 24-05-2018 05:56PM

Macha wrote: »

I can't vote because I live abroad I am an Irish woman of child-bearing age. I will probably move home in the next 5 years so it could affect me personally. I could have a daughter and if she grows up in Ireland it could affect her. If I move back and my son's girlfriend or wife has a crisis pregnancy, it could affect him too. I have friends, cousins, a beautiful little niece who all live in Ireland. I would vote yes for them.

This is not so complicated.

You could move to Venezuela too, hypothetically. Did you vote last week?

The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

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