The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

spookwoman · 24-05-2018 12:40PM

Malaya Red Sandlot wrote: »

No I didn't. I answered a poster who said that, in response to a post that I had made. I have consistently argued the case for the No vote on here.

You said exactly after the post, you agreed with the person. A few of us asked you were you going to vote yes then and you never replied.

amcalester · 24-05-2018 12:40PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

My prediction is still what it was weeks ago: 55% turnout, 55-45 win for Yes, with an outside chance that No squeaks a 50.1-49.9 win.

But I now see a chance that there will instead be a really high turnout - the 13th/14th got 68%.

If it is 70%, it could be a really crushing win for Yes - 65-35.

Hedging your bets there a bit.

53:47 for yes, I hope.

Hotblack Desiato · 24-05-2018 12:41PM

gmisk wrote: »

That LoveBothDrog group that tweeted

We are looking for people to act as security at polling stations. You need to check IDs. We don't want the far left up to their usual tricks please apply at admin@loveboth.ie if you are available on the day

Now say we are no longer associated with loveboth8 on their bio
Email was admin@loveboth.ie lol

Someone got a bollocking from John Mc Guirk mes thinks.

Look at this from them about an hour ago

A brave man to tell the truth! Yes voters should have been aborted #8thref #SaveThe8th #LoveBothVoteNO #PKshow #hometovote

Fcuk sake like. Are they trying to sabotage the No campaign or what? Not a shred of logic or human decency to be seen.

24-05-2018 12:42PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

My prediction is still what it was weeks ago: 55% turnout, 55-45 win for Yes, with an outside chance that No squeaks a 50.1-49.9 win.

But I now see a chance that there will instead be a really high turnout - the 13th/14th got 68%.

If it is 70%, it could be a really crushing win for Yes - 65-35.

I would love to see it, but weren't the 13th and 14th held on the same day as a general election?

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 24-05-2018 12:43PM

spookwoman wrote: »

You said exactly after the post, you agreed with the person. A few of us asked you were you going to vote yes then and you never replied.

I think there's a misunderstanding. I said 'exactly', meaning that it would be in the hands of the Oireachtas and we would have no control over where the legislation would go.

That was my final post yesterday. When I opened Boards this morning the debate had moved on by many, many pages so I didn't read them all.

To all the posters who asked: I am definitely voting NO tomorrow.

Hotblack Desiato · 24-05-2018 12:44PM

OldNotWIse wrote: »

My own brother was adopted and I am eternally grateful to his birth mum for choosing to see her pregnancy through and give him up - I can't imagine my life without him!

Choice? Did she have any choice? Or was she bundled off to a mother and baby home?

Noo · 24-05-2018 12:45PM

Malaya Red Sandlot wrote: »

No, I don't think there'll be a landslide. It will probably be very tight. But I do think the Yes side will edge it. I'm not happy about that, but it looks as if that is how it will go. But hopefully No voters won't just throw in the towel and not bother to go out and vote. It is still important to make a statement and indicate that there are a lot of citizens who do not want the twelve week legislation to be passed.

But theyre not voting for 12 week legislation to be passed. The final legislation will still have to be debated by both houses and can be subject to change. But to even get as far as that debate the 8th needs to be removed.

spookwoman · 24-05-2018 12:46PM

Malaya Red Sandlot wrote: »

I think there's a misunderstanding. I said 'exactly', meaning that it would be in the hands of the Oireachtas and we would have no control over where the legislation would go.

That was my final post yesterday. When I opened Boards this morning the debate had moved on by many, many pages so I didn't read them all.

To all the posters who asked: I am definitely voting NO tomorrow.

No

uptherebels · 24-05-2018 12:46PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

Only if you think a woman can't rear a child without a man which clearly tons of women do.

Choose to do. It's nice to have choice

Billy86 · 24-05-2018 12:47PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Look at this from them about an hour ago

Fcuk sake like. Are they trying to sabotage the No campaign or what? Not a shred of logic or human decency to be seen.

Not at all, they have just really, really let the mask slip in the last two weeks or so. It has been there all along, but possibly out of desperation and frustration they have stopped even trying it hide it more recently. They seem a lot more flustered in this regard than they ever were in 2015, though I have a bad feeling this is related to trying to angle a right wing movement in Ireland in the longer term.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 24-05-2018 12:47PM

Noo wrote: »

But theyre not voting for 12 week legislation to be passed. The final legislation will still have to be debated by both houses and can be subject to change. But to even get as far as that debate the 8th needs to be removed.

That's my point. It will have to be debated and I think it's important that those debating it get a good picture of the percentage that voted yes and the percentage that voted No in the referendum.

AtomicHorror · 24-05-2018 12:48PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Fcuk sake like. Are they trying to sabotage the No campaign or what? Not a shred of logic or human decency to be seen.

That same Twitter account attempted to recruit "security" to attend polling stations checking IDs and posted supposedly pro-LGBT messages asking if pro-choicers wanted women to be able to abort their baby if they suspected it might be gay.

I'm having serious Poe's Law with that one.

24-05-2018 12:48PM

Dublin city centre is quite a sight today, huge numbers of people wearing yes badges and stickers. Not campaigners (though there are lots of them too) but just people going about their day. Yes it's Dublin, but it's so positive to see.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 24-05-2018 12:48PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Not at all, they have just really, really let the mask slip in the last two weeks or so. It has been there all along, but possibly out of desperation and frustration they have stopped even trying it hide it more recently. They seem a lot more flustered in this regard than they ever were in 2015, though I have a bad feeling this is related to trying to angle a right wing movement in Ireland in the longer term.

In fairness, I doubt very much that man has the backing of any of the main campaigns. He seems to be a maverick. I'm a NO voter and I think what he is doing is disgusting, and definitely doing the No side no favours.

gmisk · 24-05-2018 12:48PM

spookwoman wrote: »

No

More lies from the no side what a shock

Permabear · 24-05-2018 12:49PM

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gmisk · 24-05-2018 12:50PM

Malaya Red Sandlot wrote: »

In fairness, I doubt very much that man has the backing of any of the main campaigns. He seems to be a maverick. I'm a NO voter and I think what he is doing is disgusting, and definitely doing the No side no favours.

It was the official LoveBothDrog page lol

He is now put a disclaimer up to top prob after a bollocking from hq

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 24-05-2018 12:51PM

spookwoman wrote: »

No

Spookswoman, I know what I said and why and the context in which I said it. If it came across the wrong way and created misunderstanding then that's a shame.

But if you look at my posting history on here it is quite clear I am a No voter. Why on earth would I plonk in some random post supporting the Yes side.

Why are you trying to imply I am a Yes voter? I genuinely don't understand, but it's spooking me a bit.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 24-05-2018 12:52PM

gmisk wrote: »

It was the official LoveBothDrog page lol

He is now put a disclaimer up to top prob after a bollocking from hq

Well I'm glad. I'd hate to think an awful post like that would have the backing of the campaign.

captbarnacles · 24-05-2018 12:52PM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

You forget the many of 'middle Ireland' will vote No. The elderly, the religious, many rural people, etc etc.

It will be very close.

Anyone who see's a landslide to Yes is away with the fairies.

5-1 available now for No. Fill your boots.

spookwoman · 24-05-2018 12:53PM

Permabear wrote: »

This post had been deleted.

She made a choice but in the end she is the one who has to carry it for 9 months, put up with illness, possible permanent physical and mental problems. Take time off work etc and give birth. Not everyone wants to go through that and why should they

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 24-05-2018 12:53PM

gmisk wrote: »

More lies from the no side what a shock

Could you explain?

Or better still, could a mod intervene here? This is getting bizaare.

Noo · 24-05-2018 12:53PM

Malaya Red Sandlot wrote: »

That's my point. It will have to be debated and I think it's important that those debating it get a good picture of the percentage that voted yes and the percentage that voted No in the referendum.

Thats why you need to vote yes. Don't let brexit happen. People were so convinced that stay would win that they voted to leave out of frustration for the government....and then leave won and look at that massive cock up.
If no wins tomorrow then its "as you were". No government debates, lets keep exporting our problem for another 30 years. The no side had 35 years to improve things, they didnt bother, what makes this any different. Hopefully our kids or grandkids may get a chance to change things in another 30 years.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 24-05-2018 12:56PM

Noo wrote: »

Thats why you need to vote yes. Don't let brexit happen. People were so convinced that stay would win that they voted to leave out of frustration for the government....and then leave won and look at that massive cock up.
If no wins tomorrow then its "as you were". No government debates, lets keep exporting our problem for another 30 years. The no side had 35 years to improve things, they didnt bother, what makes this any different. Hopefully our kids or grandkids may get a chance to change things in another 30 years.

Personally I think it's important for No voters to go out and vote tomorrow, as the more that vote that way, even if on the losing side, the clearer the indication to our legislators that the twelve week for everyone is just going too far for many people.

Mrsmum · 24-05-2018 12:56PM

uptherebels wrote: »

Choose to do. It's nice to have choice

Well we obviously disagree with what the opposite choice is. I believe the opposite choice puts an end to a life, a perfectly healthy one in most cases in a healthy woman. There is nothing nice about a choice like that.

seamus · 24-05-2018 12:58PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

There is nothing nice about a choice like that.

Well at least we can all agree on that.

Not all choices are between "nice" and "not nice". Many choices are about choosing the least terrible option.

Permabear · 24-05-2018 12:58PM

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eviltwin · 24-05-2018 12:59PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

Well we obviously disagree with what the opposite choice is. I believe the opposite choice puts an end to a life, a perfectly healthy one in most cases in a healthy woman. There is nothing nice about a choice like that.

There is if you are able to make it. It's not nice when people have to do something they don't want because of someone else's sensibilities.

spookwoman · 24-05-2018 12:59PM

Malaya Red Sandlot wrote: »

Spookswoman, I know what I said and why and the context in which I said it. If it came across the wrong way and created misunderstanding then that's a shame.

But if you look at my posting history on here it is quite clear I am a No voter. Why on earth would I plonk in some random post supporting the Yes side.

Why are you trying to imply I am a Yes voter? I genuinely don't understand, but it's spooking me a bit.

You agreed the 8th was an issue in the post so if the 8th is an issue then it must be removed. They cannot legislate around it, that has been said and that is why there is a referendum.
There is no logic to saying there is a problem with the 8th and then vote no

Noo · 24-05-2018 12:59PM

Malaya Red Sandlot wrote: »

Personally I think it's important for No voters to go out and vote tomorrow, as the more that vote that way, even if on the losing side, the clearer the indication to our legislators that the twelve week for everyone is just going too far for many people.

But if no voters want change, even in relation to the 12 week legislation then they have to vote yes. If people who want change or want to make a point about what exactly the legislation will entail then voting no will have absolutely no benefit. If they all vote no and no then wins....then theres no possibility of change or opening up the floor for debate on the exact legislation for either side.

The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

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