The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

Water John · 23-05-2018 11:44PM

Tally, you're going down the same road as Ganley. Wanted Govn't and society to ensure their would be, no rapes. that was his answer to the 12yo child, pregnant due to rape.

23-05-2018 11:44PM

TallyRand wrote: »

Hard cases seem to get most of the air time and it got me to thinking, if a woman became pregnant by rape (horrible thing to happen) then I’d personally think that if that disgusting evil rapist was caught and convicted then they should be executed. Now there is a life worth ending!

Funny how yes voters will no doubt turn the other way in a heartbeat, amazing how populism sweeps people on a wave. So good people of boards would you agree with me that the rapist in this instance should be executed? (And yes I know it’s hypothetical but both sides are using these examples)

Depends you could have the case like in Kerry where a good few of the towns population lined up to shake and hug a guy convicted of rape when caught on camera doing it. Would they be happy to see him executed?

brooke 2 · 23-05-2018 11:44PM

railer201 wrote: »

And Theresa's husband Frank was playing the piano and also spouting off for the YES side on the Pat Kenny TV3 debate an hour ago. The family that says YES together stays together.

Er............they are voting NO.

brooke 2 · 23-05-2018 11:45PM

railer201 wrote: »

And Theresa's husband Frank was playing the piano and also spouting off for the YES side on the Pat Kenny TV3 debate an hour ago. The family that says YES together stays together.

Er............they are voting NO. Just Like Maria.

Hotblack Desiato · 23-05-2018 11:46PM

TallyRand wrote: »

So good people of boards would you agree with me that the rapist in this instance should be executed?

No

I'd rather have him spend every day of his natural lifespan knowing he will never be free again. Hanging is too quick and easy.

Bannasidhe · 23-05-2018 11:47PM

ittakestwo wrote: »

Well the unborn have a better legal right with the 8th than if it was removed... you have to admit that at least?

No, I would not be in favour of making contraception illegal btw.

No, I don't admit that. After 35 years of living with the 8th all I can say it has been an unmitigated disaster. It has caused widespread confusion in medical circles. It directly led to abortions being legalised in certain circumstances - which set a precedence for legal abortion in Ireland. It has merely exported the problems for foreign solutions. It has negatively impacted on many women's health in ways which limits their chances to conceive again - or indeed survive to raise their existing children.
It also leads to a great deal of stress for pregnant women which can affect the development of a foetus. Being pregnant is hard enough - even when it's a very wanted pregnancy - without the additional fear of "what will happen to me if something goes wrong?!?!?"

But logically if part of your thinking is that there are people here now who wouldn't be here but for the 8th it follows on that there would also be people here who aren't here if we banned contraception.

brooke 2 · 23-05-2018 11:48PM

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Can't trust a word Mary lou or Martin say.

Mary Lou is brilliant. Extremely articulate.

Micheál Martin also very good.

TallyRand · 23-05-2018 11:49PM

brooke 2 wrote: »

:D

Mental health, mental health, mental health.

If yes prevails (looks likely) and Jane pops in for an abortion, goes through with it and returns home do you think her mental health will improve or worsen?

Obviously it’s a case by case call but does anyone think abortions improve mental health?

The few women I know that had abortions (non-hard cases) have very deep mental scars by going through with an abortion, there is a silent cohort of women who undoubtedly regret these abortions and have suffered mental health issues.

TallyRand · 23-05-2018 11:50PM

gctest50 wrote: »

No - for one and only one reason - false/faulty convictions

You don’t trust women to make true / accurate accusations? Tut tut

_Dara_ · 23-05-2018 11:51PM

My favourite point that Mary Lou made: they hire us and they fire us.

Go too liberal with the abortion laws and the electorate will make their feelings felt.

Dayum, she was good. Covered everything.

Hotblack Desiato · 23-05-2018 11:52PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

No, I don't admit that. After 35 years of living with the 8th all I can say it has been an unmitigated disaster. It has caused widespread confusion in medical circles. It directly led to abortions being legalised in certain circumstances - which set a precedence for legal abortion in Ireland. It has merely exported the problems for foreign solutions. It has negatively impacted on many women's health in ways which limits their chances to conceive again - or indeed survive to raise their existing children.
It also leads to a great deal of stress for pregnant women which can affect the development of a foetus. Being pregnant is hard enough - even when it's a very wanted pregnancy - without the additional fear of "what will happen to me if something goes wrong?!?!?"

But logically if part of your thinking is that there are people here now who wouldn't be here but for the 8th it follows on that there would also be people here who aren't here if we banned contraception.

Yeah but that's wimmin stuff.

Let's get Declan Ganley on again to tell Irish women what they should be thinking.

At least he's only trying to dictate to half the population this time... ehh, yes things are looking up!

Trasna1 · 23-05-2018 11:52PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Just checked on twitter and Ronan Mullen is trending an hour and a half after pat Kennys show ended. That remark he made has backfired badly on him and the NO campaign.

While that remark won't have helped, at this stage most minds are made up and the pool of voting undecided is genuinely very small. As I said No needed to blow yes out of the water in the last few days and hope for the best (a stormy wet day to keep voters away) to be even in with a realistic chance. That hasn't happened.

The damage done by Mullens remark is also limited by the media blackout, it won't be in the papers tomorrow.

gctest50 · 23-05-2018 11:53PM

TallyRand wrote: »

You don’t trust women to make true / accurate accusations? Tut tut

Never mentioned women there - is your internet broken ?

TallyRand · 23-05-2018 11:54PM

joe40 wrote: »

No

You wouldn’t vote to kill a rapist but you would kill an unborn baby, warped view of the world!

23-05-2018 11:54PM

BarleySweets wrote: »

You genocide preaching ****wit. Piss off with your fear of asterisked words; just yesterday you were preaching fire and brimstone unless we all repent and submit to your modern-day, bastardized version of a religion that was invented to control a group of rowdy desert-dwelling clans. Who the **** do you think you are to try to call me out like that?

You know what your problem is? You’re while ideology is based on fear. You are a man afraid of life. Every one of your posts and proclamations drips with your fear and it’s frankly pathetic to read such bull**** in 2018.

Things you are afraid of in 2018:
- church attendance declines
- societal downfall due to the above
- feminists
- white genocide due to abortions
- foreigners
- the fact that you’re a walking contradiction “I firmly believe you all need to worship my religion piously and I expect you to all take my word that my religion is best and will save our society and prevent a genocide on our lovely whites; oh but nevermind the fact that none of the leadership of my religion echo my concerns and consider me and my ilk to be fundamentalist nutjobs. I’m right and you’re wrong. QED.”

Oh and it’s BarleySweets you nazi ****.

Well said

LETHAL LADY · 23-05-2018 11:55PM

Hard cases me hoop. I know at least ten women who would fit the hard cases tag alone on fatal foetal abnormalities. I also know woman who miscarried through sexual abuse at a very young age. The so called hard cases ain't actually that rare ime. Shockingly 😱...I live in a town with roughly 4,000 inhabitants.

23-05-2018 11:56PM

TallyRand wrote: »

Mental health, mental health, mental health.

If yes prevails (looks likely) and Jane pops in for an abortion, goes through with it and returns home do you think her mental health will improve or worsen?

Obviously it’s a case by case call but does anyone think abortions improve mental health?

The few women I know that had abortions (non-hard cases) have very deep mental scars by going through with an abortion, there is a silent cohort of women who undoubtedly regret these abortions and have suffered mental health issues.

Your forgetting that a lot of the no side say mental health doesn't exist.

TallyRand · 23-05-2018 11:56PM

gctest50 wrote: »

Never mentioned women there - is your internet broken ?

Then who would make false accusations leading to pregnancy? Hardly you’re fridge freezer so leave out the snide attempt at put down humour

TallyRand · 23-05-2018 11:57PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Your forgetting that a lot of the no side say mental health doesn't exist.

Anyone on the no side that says that is wrong, now back to the point I made and your response, if any?

23-05-2018 11:58PM

I'll be voting yes (not my place to make other people's decisions for them), but i have noticed a bit of a swing towards No lately. getting more airtime it seems.

brooke 2 · 23-05-2018 11:58PM

gctest50 wrote: »

You'd think Theresa Lowe would have a bit more of insight after doing stuff like this :

She has proven herself to be a hypocrite tonight by trivialising mental health. :mad:

joe40 · 24-05-2018 12:00AM

TallyRand wrote: »

joe40 wrote: »

No

You wouldn’t vote to kill a rapist but you would kill an unborn baby, warped view of the world!

I would vote to allow the victim to have control over her body. You would condemn her to go through with an unwanted pregnancy and all the emotional and physical scars that would involve.
Wanted pregnancies can be extremely tough what you propose is barbaric in the extreme.
If it was someone in your family, your daughter, would you turn your back on her if she needed your help to access an abortion in that circumstance.
Would you shun her if she got an abortion in that circumstance. Honest answer please.

brooke 2 · 24-05-2018 12:01AM

Faugheen wrote: »

Because none of them ever answer it.

Yet they leave one in no doubt that they are perfectly prepared to allow a child of twelve to remain pregnant and give birth.

TallyRand · 24-05-2018 12:01AM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Depends you could have the case like in Kerry where a good few of the towns population lined up to shake and hug a guy convicted of rape when caught on camera doing it. Would they be happy to see him executed?

Would you be happy?

Stonedpilot · 24-05-2018 12:01AM

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

Go outside. Pick some flowers. Take a walk along a beach. Pet a dog while eating an ice cream. It’s not all bad pal, it really isn’t.

How do you know he doesnt?.

If you know society is going down the tubes it gives you freedom to truly enjoy things knowing its all going tits up.

Has helped me.

Maybe stop assuming hes downbeat or depressed as he doesnt agree with you?.

And even if he was why take the piss out of him for it?.
.So much for mental health awareness, darkness into Light etc eh?!.

Trasna1 · 24-05-2018 12:05AM

_Dara_ wrote: »

My favourite point that Mary Lou made: they hire us and they fire us.

Go too liberal with the abortion laws and the electorate will make their feelings felt.

Dayum, she was good. Covered everything.

See that's not exactly true. The nature of Irish governments these days are coalitions. It is often the minority party social policy that gets implemented in the programme for government generally because it's cheap, requiring a simple law change and no funding. Sometimes such minority party policies have little or no support among the general public - I'm thinking about the Greens carbon taxes, but are still implemented.

That said I can't recall any Irish government collapsing over a social policy. Governments fall due to scandals and economic problems.

24-05-2018 12:06AM

TallyRand wrote: »

Anyone on the no side that says that is wrong, now back to the point I made and your response, if any?

Your post got the response it deserved, try asking something that you can back up with facts. Research shows having an abortion is not linked to developing depression or mental health issues for most women

TallyRand · 24-05-2018 12:07AM

joe40 wrote: »

I would vote to allow the victim to have control over her body. You would condemn her to go through with an unwanted pregnancy and all the emotional and physical scars that would involve.
Wanted pregnancies can be extremely tough what you propose is barbaric in the extreme.
If it was someone in your family, your daughter, would you turn your back on her if she needed your help to access an abortion in that circumstance.
Would you shun her if she got an abortion in that circumstance. Honest answer please.

Where did I say I would condemn her to with an unwanted pregnancy? I think it’s your internet that’s broken??

I would hand in heart not shun a girl who has an abortion is this instance.

On the other side of the scale, what would be your honest opinion to a woman who had not one or two abortions but three due to a reckless attitude. Please honest answer as I have given to you.

24-05-2018 12:10AM

TallyRand wrote: »

Where did I say I would condemn her to with an unwanted pregnancy? I think it’s your internet that’s broken??

I would hand in heart not shun a girl who has an abortion is this instance.

On the other side of the scale, what would be your honest opinion to a woman who had not one or two abortions but three due to a reckless attitude. Please honest answer as I have given to you.

Welcome back by the way

Cupcake_Crisis · 24-05-2018 12:10AM

TallyRand wrote: »

Mental health, mental health, mental health.

If yes prevails (looks likely) and Jane pops in for an abortion, goes through with it and returns home do you think her mental health will improve or worsen?

Obviously it’s a case by case call but does anyone think abortions improve mental health?

The few women I know that had abortions (non-hard cases) have very deep mental scars by going through with an abortion, there is a silent cohort of women who undoubtedly regret these abortions and have suffered mental health issues.

This came up on pat Kenny too, a GP asserting that there’s ‘no proof that abortion is therapeutic for a woman’. But no one is claiming that it is, and no one gets an abortion to improve her mental health. She may get one to stop her health from worsening but they are very different things.

The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

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