The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

Manach · 23-05-2018 10:32PM

One of more ironic moments of the campaign today. The phalanx of Yes-ers where handing out their glossy brouchers to any warm body passing them by with the one exception being an amiable pair chatting away whom were not approached in any way. That the pair who were enjoying the sunshine had both Down Syndrome seemed somehow relevant to canvassers.

Calina · 23-05-2018 10:32PM

DarkScar wrote: »

Calina wrote: »

The old folks home is next door and I volunteer time to play scrabble with the old dears. They usually win. Damn right it is my business.

Plus, they were born, and some of them lived through ww2. Amazing stories. As for the ones who went to England in the 50s, jesus they are amazing people.

Way more scintillating conversation than with a miscarrying foetus.

Or, in other words, abortion is not the same as or even equivalent to torching an old folks home or a school.

Well done on an utter failure to address the actual point.
Why should anybody vote to permit people the choice to do something they think is wrong? If you just don't want to answer that's fine, we'll know the score.

Look, the underlying message from the post I quoted and responded to was that you saw abortion and torching okd folks as equivalent. If that was not your message grand.

I apologise. BUT

one thing I have noticed about this debate: no voters see things as black and white; right or wrong. With no nuance at all. I put to you that the reason many no voters hate to discuss edge cases and hard cases is that it forces them to think about the binary values they set themselves. I think that stopping cancer and cystic fibrosis patients from having treatment if they get pregnant is wrong. It has a profound risk to their lives and health and the continuity of normality for their families . If you vote no, you favour what might be, over what already is. I call that gambling with people's actual lives.

I get that you think abortion is wrong. Maybe you could consider that I think that is wrong to sacrifice women, ill women, on the cross of their pregnancies. I value them as human beings. Women have lost their lives becauss of the probirth fetish in the constitution. Maybe you don't think they matter. I think you just don't want to see them because they introduce a metric tonne of grey into your black and white world.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 23-05-2018 10:32PM

Putting Abortion Referendum ads on during the breaks of a 2 hour debate on the Abortion Referendum is the biggest waste of money ever.

murpho999 · 23-05-2018 10:32PM

I don't think anybody from the No side in both debates tonight have made a point that will really sway voters to the side at all.

Hotblack Desiato · 23-05-2018 10:32PM

mugsymugsy wrote: »

Why no politicians from the no side. Where are the healy Rae's or Mattie McGrath?

Probably tied up in the Iona Institute's basement until the media blackout tomorrow.
They'd be a disaster for No if let loose on this show.

Larbre34 · 23-05-2018 10:32PM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

The yes side principles go out the window to bring in abortion think about it.

Mary Loony McDonald Regina Doherty Michael Martin Clare Daly Leo Varadkar Ruth Coppinger etc etc all in bed together.

Where does there party allegiance lie?.

Shows ya the farce of party politics

Eh, by your own definition, the No side is cross-party as well..... still a farce?

PopePalpatine · 23-05-2018 10:33PM

Sheeps wrote: »

If the 8th is repealed, can we abort Ronan Mullen first?

Nah, I doubt he's OK with euthanasia. God forbids that he takes the "easy way out!"

23-05-2018 10:33PM

mugsymugsy wrote: »

Why no politicians from the no side. Where are the healy Rae's or Mattie McGrath?

Do you think that the no side would let them on the t.v. given how badly their doing in the debates, they would destroy their campaign completely.

Sheeps · 23-05-2018 10:33PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Nah, I doubt he's OK with euthanasia. God forbids that he takes the "easy way out!"

We can stick him back in a vagina (probably for the first time since he was born) and then abort him?

Try_harder · 23-05-2018 10:34PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Michael Healy Rae was on last night.

If there was a tender to build abortion clinics in Kerry- theyd get it all the same

Hotblack Desiato · 23-05-2018 10:34PM

amdublin wrote: »

The singer Pink, has just posted a Yes badge on her Instagram. 4.4m followers

My mrs told me that earlier. I thought she said Twink

Itssoeasy · 23-05-2018 10:34PM

26A bus ? That's a Dublin bus route I take it ?

The_Kew_Tour · 23-05-2018 10:34PM

The Yes side tonight are winning hands down in my opinion.

Just coming across more clear and precise

Try_harder · 23-05-2018 10:34PM

Sheeps wrote: »

We can stick him back in a vagina (probably for the first time since he was born) and then abort him?

Whose? Anne Widdicome?

Trasna1 · 23-05-2018 10:34PM

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

I'm afraid the no debaters tonight are not very good.

Maria was not allowed to ramble and tell lies
Ronan is awful
Declan Ganley keeps quoting US and UK laws and rules, back in history, as he has nothing new to add to the discussion.
Theresa Lowe talking about her twins being born at 29 weeks - the legislation is not for termination past 24 weeks - more lies

Yes is going to win on Saturday

Hard to see it going any other way than a win for Yes at this stage. No needed to deliver stellar performances over the last two days debates if it was going to turn it around and even then it would have been a huge stretch since the number of undecided that will vote is low. That hasn't happened and it's too late now.
Yes to carry by 8 to 10 points.

nullzero · 23-05-2018 10:35PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Nah, I doubt he's OK with euthanasia. God forbids that he takes the "easy way out!"

Are you serious with this nonsense?

Doltanian · 23-05-2018 10:35PM

alan partridge aha wrote: »

Another reason to vote NO

I’m voting No to give Future Irish Citizens a chance at life, I’d rather we didn’t abort and kill our own, I cannot believe people are so blind to follow the leftwing agenda to kill off Irish culture and identity, abort and kill your own, allow unrestricted foreign immigration and destroy the country, 800 years of British occupation didn’t get rid of the Irish people it will be the Irish people themselves who vote to commit national suicide with abortion just one step in their leftist Agenda.

23-05-2018 10:35PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Michael Healy Rae was on last night.

God I missed it as I was working how did he do?

mzungu · 23-05-2018 10:35PM

munsterlegend wrote: »

I have it the other way around. Martin is a superb debater and is really a pro lifer but he also knows where votes lie so its a difficult position for him.

I wouldn't agree there. In FF most of his party disagree with him and a little over half of FF voters agree with him. MM coming out as pro-choice was not a good career move and he may very well pay for it at the next election. Therefore I believe he is genuine in being pro-choice.

23-05-2018 10:35PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Most of them in Japan. Im all for democracy, but self promoters who have no connection to the Country should stay the **** out of it.

everybody with no connection to the country should stay the **** out of it but the streets of dublin are filled to tripping with foreign soldiers of christ breaking the terms of their visas by getting involved

where do the no side get their money, to paraphrase vincent browne re haughey

23-05-2018 10:36PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Most of them in Japan. Im all for democracy, but self promoters who have no connection to the Country should stay the **** out of it.

also if bono or some such irish name started bashing her nome de jour president elect, she'd be first to mouth off. When will people realise that hollywood is for promotion at any length, **** off pink!! donate a million dollars to ex war vets or something, that will boost your followers...

But seriously, I'm voting yes 100%

railer201 · 23-05-2018 10:36PM

Doltanian wrote: »

I’m voting No and will always oppose anything the leftwing espouses. There will be a lot of enraged feminists and soyboys when it is a No vote Saturday afternoon

1 to 8 on for a YES and 4 to 1 for a NO in the bookies when I checked earlier - Get your money on NO mate, you'll clean up.

23-05-2018 10:37PM

Doltanian wrote: »

I’m voting No to give Future Irish Citizens a chance at life, I’d rather we didn’t abort and kill our own, I cannot believe people are so blind to follow the leftwing agenda to kill off Irish culture and identity, abort and kill your own, allow unrestricted foreign immigration and destroy the country, 800 years of British occupation didn’t get rid of the Irish people it will be the Irish people themselves who vote to commit national suicide with abortion just one step in their leftist Agenda.

Conspiracy theories thread is two doors down.

manual_man · 23-05-2018 10:37PM

Some people, when the word change is mentioned, automatically assume that change is a positive. I don't believe that change is always positive. I believe that it can be a positive or negative. There are people all over the world that are filled with sadness that viable lives are destroyed each and every day, in the apparent name of compassion. Exercise your vote. Vote for what you genuinely believe is compassionate

On Friday, we vote for the abandonment in this country of protections for the unborn. The protection which we all relied on. Vote on what you feel in your heart. If you feel abandonment if life is the way to go, then please vote yes, if you want to vote against yourself, then please vote yes. Otherwise, if you value where you came from, if you believe in the sanctity of life, if you feel the pure love and everything that this embodies, then i implore you to vote no.

Itssoeasy · 23-05-2018 10:37PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Michael Healy Rae was on last night.

God I missed it as I was working how did he do?

He nearly stuck the head into Ivan Yates so I've come to the conclusion they aren't friends.

Wrongway1985 · 23-05-2018 10:37PM

brooke 2 wrote: »

I believe there is some family connection between Maria Steen and Teresa Lowe.
There is a certain facial resemblance, I think. And they are both lawyers!

She's her aunt

munsterlegend · 23-05-2018 10:38PM

I am surprised how few opinion polls there are for this referendum. Is there anything more recent than the one in the Irish Times?

23-05-2018 10:38PM

manual_man wrote: »

Some people, when the word change is mentioned, automatically assume that change is a positive. I don't believe that change is always positive. I believe that it can be a positive or negative. There are people all over the world that are filled with sadness that viable lives are destroyed each and every day, in the apparent name of compassion. Exercise you vote. Vote for what you genuinely believe is compassionate

On Friday, we vote for the abandonment in this country of protections for the unborn. QA protection which we all relied on. Vote on what you feel in your heart. If you feel abandonment if life is the way to go, then please vote yes, if you want to vote against yourself, then please vote yes. Otherwise, if you value where you came from, if you believe in the sanctity of life, if you feel the pure love and everything that this embodies, then i implore you to vote no.

And if you love your wife and other female relations vote yes

gmisk · 23-05-2018 10:38PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

God I missed it as I was working how did he do?

Exactly how you would guess the usual I'm a simple kerry man shtick... Not good

PhoenixParker · 23-05-2018 10:39PM

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

Putting Abortion Referendum ads on during the breaks of a 2 hour debate on the Abortion Referendum is the biggest waste of money ever.

The Irish ferries ads though.
That’s a special touch.

The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

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