The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

One More Toy · 23-05-2018 09:08PM

Fcuk the iona institute. American funded right wing circle-jerk

tigger123 · 23-05-2018 09:08PM

Pat's kickin ass and taking names.

murpho999 · 23-05-2018 09:09PM

Maria Steen not using the withdrawal method like she did with RTE.

Mushy · 23-05-2018 09:09PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Who are "Iona Institute" and why are they always given a platform like National TV for every referendum that they are against?

A spiteful, hate-filled bunch marauding as a charity who will screech that they aren't given a fair hearing during social issues. Given air time to limit said screeching.

Water John · 23-05-2018 09:09PM

Mullan runs with his usual line, that the 8th has given us great health care. PK stops him in his racks, fair play to him.

Ave Sodalis · 23-05-2018 09:10PM

I'm after spotting someone on Facebook who had their cover photo as "Don't give your constitutional power to politicians". I think someone better call the newspapers because here we were thinking we were voting on the 8th, but this person has sussed out that we are actually voting to give politicians the power to change the constitution without referendum.

Atlantic Dawn · 23-05-2018 09:10PM

Why do they always say they are taking flights to the UK, plenty go by ferry.

murpho999 · 23-05-2018 09:10PM

Why are the "no" side arguing that abortions that abortions will increase.

Of course it will, what do they expect?

Gay marriage rates sky rocketed after the last referendum.

Divorces increased hugely in the 90s.

Stupid argument.

Wrongway1985 · 23-05-2018 09:11PM

Steen exposed off the bat complete deception that she would support any form of legislation regarding abortion.

Itssoeasy · 23-05-2018 09:11PM

Ah Jaysus Ronan Mullen. Ah feck it. I'd gone without seeing him. It's not his points he makes it's his tone that bugs me.

We have a low abortion rates because it's illegal Ronan.

Conservatory · 23-05-2018 09:12PM

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

I'm after spotting someone on Facebook who had their cover photo as "Don't give your constitutional power to politicians". I think someone better call the newspapers because here we were thinking we were voting on the 8th, but this person has sussed out that we are actually voting to give politicians the power to change the constitution without referendum.

I think what he means is this referendum is letting us decide before they decide what the choices are.

Atlantic Dawn · 23-05-2018 09:12PM

What will the No camp do if it goes through on Friday? Will they take to the streets and bring down the economy?

passremarkable · 23-05-2018 09:12PM

Mullen reminds of quagmire

DarkScar · 23-05-2018 09:12PM

PhoenixParker wrote: »

Because I had hopes and dreams.
Because I wanted a baby.

Dogs aren’t human either but people are terribly upset when their beloved pets die.

A fetus has value, I don’t dispute that.
I dispute the idea that it’s value is equivalent to that of a living breathing child or the life/health/wellbeing of the living breathing woman carrying it.

So are two year olds of greater value than one year olds?

Mushy · 23-05-2018 09:12PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Why are the "no" side arguing that abortions that abortions will increase.

Of course it will, what do they expect?

Gay marriage rates sky rocketed after the last referendum.

Divorces increased hugely in the 90s.

Stupid argument.

Divorces and gay marriages started from a baseline of 0 though. Abortions still happen here, so won't rise exponentially like the other two.

RacoonQueen · 23-05-2018 09:13PM

Mullen. Jesus.

tigger123 · 23-05-2018 09:13PM

Mullen's gonna sink this for the No side.

23-05-2018 09:14PM

I'd say Steen is about to have a canary if Mullen keeps talking

gmisk · 23-05-2018 09:14PM

Wendy Grace.... I am pretty sure she is a synth from that tv show humans

Atlantic Dawn · 23-05-2018 09:14PM

passremarkable wrote: »

Mullen reminds of quagmire

Or an older Will from Inbetweeners.

Itssoeasy · 23-05-2018 09:14PM

I really dislike Ronan Mullen and his tone. Its very nasty regardless of what he's taking about in the Seanad.

fergus1001 · 23-05-2018 09:14PM

"mental health is not real" can't make this up

Water John · 23-05-2018 09:14PM

So Ronan takes aim at mental health.

Larbre34 · 23-05-2018 09:14PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Ah Jaysus Ronan Mullen. Ah feck it. I'd gone without seeing him. It's not his points he makes it's his tone that bugs me.

We have a low abortion rates because it's illegal Ronan.

No. More would avail of it but for the prohibitive cost of travelling and having the procedure done privately.

UK citizens for instance can get terminations on the NHS in certain circumstances.

It wasnt me123 · 23-05-2018 09:15PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Maria Steen equivocating in her opening statement on a compromise solution for the hard cases and Regina Doherty calling it out as a stunt.

No she didn't.

Maria Steen said that she is clear that a life is a life but other groups that have joined her don't necessarily agree with her but think the proposed amendment and legislation is too far.

Pat asked even if they changed it for the hard cases would you agree to abortion and she said no.

So the no side is disingenious in saying the amendment goes too far because it wouldn't matter what the amendment / legislation was, they still wouldn't vote for it.

DarkScar · 23-05-2018 09:15PM

Conservatory wrote: »

I think what he means is this referendum is letting us decide before they decide what the choices are.

Most people would like to know what they're voting for more than anything else. Not happening with that laughable "draft" legislation.

Grayditch · 23-05-2018 09:15PM

He's doing brilliantly for the Yes side.

Ave Sodalis · 23-05-2018 09:15PM

Conservatory wrote: »

I think what he means is this referendum is letting us decide before they decide what the choices are.

It was a she, but yeah, I do know what they meant (I was taking the mick out of the poor wording) but that's just as ridiculous. It's what politicians and legislators do. We trust them with the legislation of everything else, and that's why we elect them.

brendanwalsh · 23-05-2018 09:15PM

Already seems to be a better debate than last night.

Maria doing the NO side proud.

Pat being very antagonistic.

mugsymugsy · 23-05-2018 09:15PM

Pat Kenny taking no sh!te

The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

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