The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

fxotoole · 23-05-2018 05:36PM

doylefe wrote: »

If there's a Yes vote I think Ryanair and Aer Lingus should be subsidised for loss of earnings, with the Yes people picking up the bill.

Seriously?

What about Irish Ferries, P&O and the like?

#LoveBoats

Addle · 23-05-2018 05:38PM

kanadams123 wrote: »

As much as i would love for you to vote NO please only change your vote for real reasons !!!!
Its true that the yes campaigners can be harrasing..but thats not a reason for anyone to change a vote !!!!

Neither side did themselves any favours IMO today.
Yes for having exceptionally annoying campaigners and No for their ridiculous attempt at emotional blackmail with their picture posters.
I can't wait for all this to be over.

Addle · 23-05-2018 05:41PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Voting No (or yes) just out of plain spite is despicable.

I know. That's how bad the yes campaigners were. If the no campaigners behaved in the same way, and if I was undecided, I'd have decided yes because of them.
Campaigners and campaigns matter. They have an effect.

kanadams123 · 23-05-2018 05:41PM

Addle wrote: »

Neither side did themselves any favours IMO today.
Yes for having exceptionally annoying campaigners and No for their ridiculous attempt at emotional blackmail with their picture posters.
I can't wait for all this to be over.

I agree! And same, i cant wait untoll its over either..however im afraid it wont be over for a while, even after the referendum on friday im sure the media will be full of it for a while!

matrim · 23-05-2018 05:43PM

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

Apparently the debate tonight will have a segment from a woman who was contemplating abortion and then CHOSE not to.

I can’t any more. I just can’t. I want to leave the planet.

It's probably the woman who was in the audience for the first late late debate. She is / was a college student who got pregnant. She couldn't afford to go to England, tried ordering pills but they didn't arrive and then went on to have the baby, who is now the best thing to happen to her.

Her argument is that if abortion was available in Ireland she would have had one and missed out on the joy of being a mother.

Cupcake_Crisis · 23-05-2018 05:43PM

Addle wrote: »

I know. That's how bad the yes campaigners were. If the no campsigners behaved in the same way, and if I was undecided, I'd have decided yes because of them.
Campaigners and campaigns matter. They have an effect.

Are you serious? Honestly. Have you been ignoring the no campaign completely?!

Cupcake_Crisis · 23-05-2018 05:44PM

matrim wrote: »

It's probably the woman who was in the audience for the first late late debate. She is / was a college student who got pregnant. She couldn't afford to go to England, tried ordering pills but they didn't arrive and then went on to have the baby, who is now the best thing to happen to her.

Her argument is that if abortion was available in Ireland she would have had one and missed out on the joy of being a mother.

Oh it’s her?! Her story changes almost every time she’s on telly

Martina1991 · 23-05-2018 05:44PM

doylefe wrote:

Sure that wouldn't happen under the current legislation unless your doctor was incompetent.

Sepsis, stroke, cardiac arrest, haemorrhage etc etc occur very quickly.

I don't want to be a ticking time bomb playing Russian roulette with my life.

Dressing gown · 23-05-2018 05:45PM

kanadams123 wrote: »

I agree! And same, i cant wait untoll its over either..however im afraid it wont be over for a while, even after the referendum on friday im sure the media will be full of it for a while!

Whatever happens I hope they ban those bloody posters on lampposts etc sick to death of my kid asking me questions she really should not need to think about for many more years. Instead she was telling me about how her whole class-first class-have opinions on abortion and on circumstances where it should be allowed. Utterly uncaring about the impact on the kids seeing the posters-so irresponsible by both sides using uncensored language and images.

fxotoole · 23-05-2018 05:45PM

kanadams123 wrote: »

I agree! And same, i cant wait untoll its over either..however im afraid it wont be over for a while, even after the referendum on friday im sure the media will be full of it for a while!

It wont be over after the referendum. If it passes, there'll be intense lobbying with respect to the law for abortion and what form it will take.

If it doesnt pass, I'm sure the Yes side will start lobbying for another referendum.

spookwoman · 23-05-2018 05:46PM

We are all for equality, well most of us. We want equal pay, equal opportunities etc.

Does equal opportunities also cover having control over whether we want to be a parent or pregnant. If a woman wants to become something and just like anyone else that involves time and effort, etc. The difference is she can become pregnant which has knock on effects.
Take a woman in college she can continue up to a point where she takes maternity leave to give birth, but she also will have to put up with morning sickness etc which can also stop her going to college. It can also endanger her life. It will also change her body put a strain on her financially and even mentally. The same if she is working. As I said there are many knock on effects and it is only her that is the one that has to deal with it. If she chooses to have the baby there is still that knock on in many ways and it does change her future.
Forcing someone to continue with a pregnancy is not giving them equal opportunities, in fact are you not saying that because she can get pregnant she is less than others.
A man can just say feck that and continue on with his life, he doesn't have those knock on effects unless he CHOOSES to accept it. What about her choice for her future. We have put men on the moon and sent rovers to other worlds is it really so hard to allow another person to control their life, their future.

Trasna1 · 23-05-2018 05:47PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

No, but make absolutely sure that you are NOT on the register before giving up.

Someone else in the house may have registered you on a form or (in some councils) even a door-to-door caller. Or you might still be on the register at a previous address, parents' house, etc.

Years ago county councillors used to go around registering anyone who wasn't, doubt that still happens but it's a very strange system when anyone can tick a box to get you onto the main register with no checks at all, but getting onto the supplementary register needs ID and a visit to the Garda station!

If you are registered at an old address, you can still vote and you don't need the polling card, but you will need ID, photo ID if you can.

Why? It's unlikely that this individual will have the casting vote, so it won't make a blind bit of difference whether or not they vote.

kanadams123 · 23-05-2018 05:47PM

fxotoole wrote: »

It wont be over after the referendum. If it passes, there'll be intense lobbying with respect to the law for abortion and what form it will take.

If it doesnt pass, I'm sure the Yes side will start lobbying for another referendum.

Exactly..far from over

joe40 · 23-05-2018 05:48PM

Addle wrote: »

SusieBlue wrote: »

Voting No (or yes) just out of plain spite is despicable.

I know. That's how bad the yes campaigners were. If the no campaigners behaved in the same way, and if I was undecided, I'd have decided yes because of them.
Campaigners and campaigns matter. They have an effect.

What sort of things did they do. I'm really curious

Ave Sodalis · 23-05-2018 05:48PM

Trasna1 wrote: »

Why? It's unlikely that this individual will have the casting vote, so it won't make a blind bit of difference whether or not they vote.

Then what's the point in any of us voting?

DickSwiveller · 23-05-2018 05:48PM

I see RTE are up to their old tricks on Leaders Questions. A pro-repeal "political correspondent" from the Mail and Kathleen Funchion from Sinn Féin who is also pro-repeal, and no pro-life representative. And some have claimed there has been no media bias throughout this campaign. Laughable.

Cupcake_Crisis · 23-05-2018 05:49PM

Trasna1 wrote: »

Why? It's unlikely that this individual will have the casting vote, so it won't make a blind bit of difference whether or not they vote.

A referendum is like Tesco- every little helps.

Addle · 23-05-2018 05:50PM

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

Are you serious? Honestly. Have you been ignoring the no campaign completely?!

Ive been all around Dublin City centre and Dundrum today and was not approached by any no campaigner. I saw them in their red, but they didn't bother me.
Yes campaigners were in my face all day long. It was so disrespectful.

Sofiztikated · 23-05-2018 05:51PM

joe40 wrote: »

What sort of things did they do. I'm really curious

Obstreperous things, I imagine.

Hotblack Desiato · 23-05-2018 05:51PM

Digital_Guy wrote: »

I've always been registered at my home address and always got a polling card - it's just I am not coming up on that check the register site.

It's very picky about fadas etc. in your name, or maybe slight variations in the address. Bring ID and go anyway.

gmisk · 23-05-2018 05:52PM

matrim wrote: »

It's probably the woman who was in the audience for the first late late debate. She is / was a college student who got pregnant. She couldn't afford to go to England, tried ordering pills but they didn't arrive and then went on to have the baby, who is now the best thing to happen to her.

Her argument is that if abortion was available in Ireland she would have had one and missed out on the joy of being a mother.

Ah is she the one who's story keeps changing?

Hotblack Desiato · 23-05-2018 05:52PM

munsterlegend wrote: »

I see some of the Yes campaigners in my area and most of them are in it for Facebook likes/ photos as opposed to any genuine conviction.

Disgusting. You have no idea what people's motivations are, what traumas they or their loved ones have suffered.

Cupcake_Crisis · 23-05-2018 05:53PM

Addle wrote: »

Ive been all around Dublin City centre and Dundrum today and was not approached by any no campaigner. I saw them in their red, but they didn't bother me.
Yes campaigners were in my face all day long. It was so disrespectful.

So a few overly vocal campaigners and suddenly everyone in the yes camp is up to no good.

Are both sides perfect- absolutely not. Is one side worse than the other- absolutely yes. And that’s the no side.

Wrongway1985 · 23-05-2018 05:53PM

DickSwiveller wrote: »

I see RTE are up to their old tricks on Leaders Questions. A pro-repeal "political correspondent" from the Mail and Kathleen Funchion from Sinn Féin who is also pro-repeal, and no pro-life representative. And some have claimed there has been no media bias throughout this campaign. Laughable.

Balance maybe? Claire Byrne show was a No love in

neonsofa · 23-05-2018 05:54PM

Addle wrote: »

Despite my own feelings about abortion, formed after personal experiences, I am a yes voter.

I made the mistake of going to Dublin today and have been harassed all day by yes campaigners.
They're aggressive and annoying to the point of harassment.
Singing at heuston station and just loving themselves.
Taking selfies.
It's all about status updates for some of them.
They annoyed me to the point that I may change my vote, for the worst reason.

To spite people who will never even know what way you personally voted or give you a second thought.... eh okay. Don't think you've thought that one through.

If you were going to vote yes originally then I can only assume that is because you are aware of the pain that the 8th has caused for women. Even flippantly suggesting that you might change your vote based on a few people irritating you just shows how little you care about that pain imo.

And you can say that this comment is further harassing you and that it will influence your vote etc but I am sure as hell that no matter how many yes campaigners irritate me and make me roll my eyes nothing would stop me from voting Yes because it's not about me, it's not about those campaigners and canvassers,it's about the women who will be negatively impacted by the 8th. And if you were genuinely going to vote yes then maybe you should consider why you were voting Yes in the first place.

kanadams123 · 23-05-2018 05:55PM

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

So a few overly vocal campaigners and suddenly everyone in the yes camp is up to no good.

Are both sides perfect- absolutely not. Is one side worse than the other- absolutely yes. And that’s the no side.

Your blindness scares me.

Hotblack Desiato · 23-05-2018 05:56PM

Trasna1 wrote: »

Why? It's unlikely that this individual will have the casting vote, so it won't make a blind bit of difference whether or not they vote.

You don't think it's important that people who want to vote can vote.

OK, bye now.

Cupcake_Crisis · 23-05-2018 05:57PM

kanadams123 wrote: »

Your blindness scares me.

Please tell me of one stunt that the yes side has pulled that comes anywhere close to some of the crap pulled by the no side.

spookwoman · 23-05-2018 05:57PM

https://twitter.com/ivanabacik/status/999338294117879808

Nettle Soup · 23-05-2018 05:59PM

Addle wrote: »

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

Are you serious? Honestly. Have you been ignoring the no campaign completely?!

Ive been all around Dublin City centre and Dundrum today and was not approached by any no campaigner. I saw them in their red, but they didn't bother me.
Yes campaigners were in my face all day long. It was so disrespectful.

I see. Sure sure sure. Tell us more...like how did you feel when the Yes people were in your face?

The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

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