The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

Nettle Soup · 21-05-2018 10:35AM

I heard the giant 'No' sign that appeared on Ben Bulben has been removed. The idiots that put it there should be ashamed.

NaFirinne · 21-05-2018 10:37AM

Quick question - do you have to be an Irish citizen to vote on this referendum?

The reason why I'm asking is I have a few Spanish friends who are now registered to vote and have received there voting cards to vote on friday.

Basically a guy just called round to the door asked who lives in the house - took all there names and now they can go an vote.

So my question is are any Eu Nationals now eligible to vote in Ireland as long as they have an address here?

LuckyLloyd · 21-05-2018 10:39AM

NaFirinne wrote: »

Quick question - do you have to be an Irish citizen to vote on this referendum?

The reason why I'm asking is I have a few Spanish friends who are now registered to vote and have received there voting cards to vote on friday.

Basically a guy just called round to the door asked who lives in the house - took all there names and now they can go an vote.

So my question is are any Eu Nationals now eligible to vote in Ireland as long as they have an address here?

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/elections_and_referenda/voting/registering_to_vote.html#l862a3

The type of election you can vote in depends on your citizenship.
The following people are eligible to vote:

- Irish citizens can vote in every election and referendum
- British citizens may vote at D, European and local elections
- Other EU citizens may vote at European and local elections*
- Non-EU citizens can vote at local elections only.

*If you are an EU citizen, other than an Irish or British citizen, and you were not registered to vote in previous European elections in Ireland, you must also complete a declaration, Form EP1, to guard against double voting in the election. The local council will register you to vote in your local constituency and send the information in your declaration to your home EU Member State. You can also get the form from your local authority.

Your post sounds misinformed / product of scare mongering to me.

Cupcake_Crisis · 21-05-2018 10:41AM

Mr.H wrote: »

All I am stating is that you don't need to be near death before action can be taken.

And yes I will be voting bed to repeal. My views are probably closer to pro life on the spectrum. But I also believe logic and logically yes is the better outcome despite the probably affects from the immature section of society.

If you don’t need to close to death, why are women being left until they’re close to death before medical staff will intervene?

Leroy42 · 21-05-2018 10:42AM

Has there been any surge in the registered voters for this? IIRC there was quite a uptake before the Equality Ref?

Mr.H · 21-05-2018 10:43AM

ohnonotgmail wrote:

"is a real and substantial risk to the life".

Why should I talk to you? You reported me for trolling FFS. I mean if you wanna debate fine but how do I know you won't just randomly report me again just because you get wound up by differing views.

It's OK to not agree on everything but to be childish and report people just because you don't agree with their pathetic.

Annabella1 wrote:

Look at the numbers obstetricians,doctors and midwives calling for a yes vote

The percentage of those medical professionals on record of calling for yes is very very low. Something like 10%. Claire byrne debate is my resource. Boylan is the one that claimed it iirc.

amcalester wrote:

You're changing the goalposts.

Don't mean to. Sorry if it comes across that way.

I did say health and not life. For that I am sorry. I did mean serious health risk. Which again doesn't change the fact savita was entitled to a termination.

21-05-2018 10:43AM

Only Irish citizens can vote in referendums I think. Spanish sounds well dodgy.

The type of election you can vote in depends on your citizenship. The following people are eligible to vote:

Irish citizens can vote in every election and referendum
British citizens may vote at Dáil, European and local elections
Other EU citizens may vote at European and local elections*
Non-EU citizens can vote at local elections only.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/elections_and_referenda/voting/registering_to_vote.html

The register seems to be a complete mess I think.

I registered last year (moved from my old address in another county) and have recieved two voting cards with another for a woman who hasnt lived here in years.

SusieBlue · 21-05-2018 10:43AM

My friend manages a playschool, she arrived at work this morning to their premises absolutely covered in No posters. This creche is in a business park and no other offices in the proximity were targeted.
A car parked in the car park was also covered in No posters, and seems to be owned by the person who put the posters up.
She rang the guards immediately, and they are investigating.
The car reg is registered to someone who lives 55km away from the creche.

Many parents were absolutely furious this morning, threatening to remove their children, they were saying if this was what the creche was promoting, they didn't want their children attending.
The guards told her that other playschools and montessoris in the area were targeted as well.

LoveBoth, as classy as always.

Dressing gown · 21-05-2018 10:44AM

NaFirinne wrote: »

Quick question - do you have to be an Irish citizen to vote on this referendum?

The reason why I'm asking is I have a few Spanish friends who are now registered to vote and have received there voting cards to vote on friday.

Basically a guy just called round to the door asked who lives in the house - took all there names and now they can go an vote.

So my question is are any Eu Nationals now eligible to vote in Ireland as long as they have an address here?

I was told by the woman in the DLR county council office that you have to be an Irish citizen to vote in a referendum.

gmisk · 21-05-2018 10:44AM

NaFirinne wrote: »

Quick question - do you have to be an Irish citizen to vote on this referendum?

The reason why I'm asking is I have a few Spanish friends who are now registered to vote and have received there voting cards to vote on friday.

Basically a guy just called round to the door asked who lives in the house - took all there names and now they can go an vote.

So my question is are any Eu Nationals now eligible to vote in Ireland as long as they have an address here?

As per citizens info

British citizens may vote at Dáil elections, European elections and local elections;
Other European Union (EU) citizens may vote at European and local elections*
Non-EU citizens may vote at local elections only

I dont think someone knocking at your door and registering you is a thing....

ohnonotgmail · 21-05-2018 10:44AM

Mr.H wrote: »

Why should I talk to you? You reported me for trolling FFS. I mean if you wanna debate fine but how do I know you won't just randomly report me again just because you get wound up by differing views.

Talk to who you like. I'll keep on pointing out your lies.

gmisk · 21-05-2018 10:46AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Has there been any surge in the registered voters for this? IIRC there was quite a uptake before the Equality Ref?

I think so if you look at queues posted online at colleges etc.
Also reports of long lines at Gardai Station even more so than with SSM ref

seamus · 21-05-2018 10:47AM

It is possible that someone ticked the wrong box on the form. Our registration system is abysmally loose.

Someone can fill in the registration form, tick the box to say they're an Irish citizen and there's a good chance nobody will question it.

That said, many EU citizens who've been here for a while will apply for naturalisation.

But it's just as likely that people are telling stories of "illegal fordeners voting in our referendum" to try and get people out to vote No.

gmisk · 21-05-2018 10:50AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

My friend manages a playschool, she arrived at work this morning to their premises absolutely covered in No posters. This creche is in a business park and no other offices in the proximity were targeted.
A car parked in the car park was also covered in No posters, and seems to be owned by the person who put the posters up.
She rang the guards immediately, and they are investigating.
The car reg is registered to someone who lives 55km away from the creche.

Many parents were absolutely furious this morning, threatening to remove their children, they were saying if this was what the creche was promoting, they didn't want their children attending.
The guards told her that other playschools and montessoris in the area were targeted as well.

LoveBoth, as classy as always.

Wow

Do they think this kind of crap works any more?
It might have in the past but I honestly don't think so anymore, hopefully it will have the opposite effect.

I would expect this kind of crap to ramp up in the last week especially as polls aren't looking good for them.

Leroy42 · 21-05-2018 10:51AM

The form needs to be signed by a Garda does it not, it is not simply a case of someone calling to your house.

The garda, I would imagine, would need to see proof of age, nationality etc before signing off. Could this is overridden of course, as stated previously the whole system is incredible weak and wasteful. On a large scale? I would imagine that the amount of double registered Irish is far more of a problem.

gmisk · 21-05-2018 10:53AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

The form needs to be signed by a Garda does it not, it is not simply a case of someone calling to your house.

Yep.

People do not just knock on your door and register you to vote.... Lol

And as you say Gardai would need to see ID etc.

21-05-2018 10:59AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

On a large scale? I would imagine that the amount of double registered Irish is far more of a problem.

I moved my (one and only registration) vote from one county to another last year and the new county have sent me two polling cards now :pac::pac:

I used the specified procedure with no funny business. Iv also got a card for a woman who moved out years ago.

Its a mess.

Zubeneschamali · 21-05-2018 11:00AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Has there been any surge in the registered voters for this?

"Unprecedented" according to RTE radio news this morning. 125,000 new voters since February. The online story doesn't have that number, but notes that it was 66,000 before the SSM referendum.

I am going to guess that most of these are not No voters, and they didn't register just to be undecided either.

Nettle Soup · 21-05-2018 11:00AM

gmisk wrote: »

Wow

Do they think this kind of crap works any more?
It might have in the past but I honestly don't think so anymore, hopefully it will have the opposite effect.

I would expect this kind of crap to ramp up in the last week especially as polls aren't looking good for them.

I think it already is having the opposite effect.
Some of these people seem warped by the whole issue and cannot see common sense. I blame the 1980s parents (and Rome)!!

amcalester · 21-05-2018 11:02AM

Mr.H wrote: »

Don't mean to. Sorry if it comes across that way.

I did say health and not life. For that I am sorry. I did mean serious health risk. Which again doesn't change the fact savita was entitled to a termination.

Fair enough and I don't want to keep arguing the point so I'll leave it at this but it's a risk to life not serious health risk, a subtle but important distinction.

Leroy42 · 21-05-2018 11:03AM

Nettle Soup wrote: »

I think it already is having the opposite effect.
Some of these people seem warped by the whole issue and cannot see common sense. I blame the 1980s parents (and Rome)!!

But we know that posters etc have an effect. The idea would be to get those either not engaged of sitting on the fence to opt for no.

LuckyLloyd · 21-05-2018 11:05AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Has there been any surge in the registered voters for this? IIRC there was quite a uptake before the Equality Ref?

125k:

http://www.thejournal.ie/register-to-vote-8th-amendment-4023808-May2018/?utm_source=shortlink

rgace · 21-05-2018 11:11AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

My friend manages a playschool, she arrived at work this morning to their premises absolutely covered in No posters. This creche is in a business park and no other offices in the proximity were targeted.
A car parked in the car park was also covered in No posters, and seems to be owned by the person who put the posters up.
She rang the guards immediately, and they are investigating.
The car reg is registered to someone who lives 55km away from the creche.

Many parents were absolutely furious this morning, threatening to remove their children, they were saying if this was what the creche was promoting, they didn't want their children attending.
The guards told her that other playschools and montessoris in the area were targeted as well.

LoveBoth, as classy as always.

Even more oddballs than usual involved in referendum campaigning this time. If the yes side were doing this I could at least see the logic in it

antiskeptic · 21-05-2018 11:15AM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I am going to guess that most of these are not No voters, and they didn't register just to be undecided either.

It would be interesting to see that actual IT poll given this:

Younger voters are much more likely to support the Yes side, though the youngest cohort of voters (18-24 year-olds) shows a sharp drop in Yes supports in the last month.

I'd imagine the 'newly registered' will belong to this cohort. And it the sharp drop is an ongoing trend ...

Monkey09 · 21-05-2018 11:27AM

I will be voting no in the referendum. There are two lives to be considered here. Of course, if the woman's life is at risk, she deserves the correct medical care even if it would cost the life of the baby. That is the current position in Ireland. It is disappointing to see the yes side saying that the 8th risks women's lives.

Mr.H · 21-05-2018 11:27AM

Cupcake_Crisis wrote:

If you donâ€™t need to close to death, why are women being left until theyâ€™re close to death before medical staff will intervene?

Negligence and the fear out of not understanding the law would be my guess.

Hiqua pretty much said the same thing.

My fear is when we hopefully repeal, that we will forget about the sub standard health care we have in this country. Of course we need to repeal. By we also need to reform the health system we have.

SusieBlue · 21-05-2018 11:27AM

Monkey09 wrote: »

I will be voting no in the referendum. There are two lives to be considered here. Of course, if the woman's life is at risk, she deserves the correct medical care even if it would cost the life of the baby. That is the current position in Ireland. It is disappointing to see the yes side saying that the 8th risks women's lives.

Because it does.

Leroy42 · 21-05-2018 11:28AM

Monkey09 wrote: »

I will be voting no in the referendum. There are two lives to be considered here. Of course, if the woman's life is at risk, she deserves the correct medical care even if it would cost the life of the baby. That is the current position in Ireland. It is disappointing to see the yes side saying that the 8th risks women's lives.

So you think that the 3k+ women currently going to the UK are doing that because?

Zubeneschamali · 21-05-2018 11:29AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Because it does.

That's why it is disappointing for No voter to see us point out this fact.

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The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

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