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8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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  • #9182
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    Logo wrote: »
    I am trying to have a civil conversation with you. Hitler was involved in mass murder. By voting yes you too are agreeing to mass murder of innocent 6 month old children - at least Hitler's victims had some quality of life.

    Your willful ignorance is astounding. The proposed legislation has been explained to you.

    6 month old children will not be murdered if the 8th is repealed.


  • #9183
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    gandalf wrote: »
    The mindset of a no voter in one phrase :rolleyes:

    I dunno....does that still qualify for a 'mind'?


  • #9184
    Neyite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,948 ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    Some sort of law change that the father has the same restrictions on medical treatment as the mother for the term of her pregnancy seems to be the obvious step down this fairly mad road.

    Oh yes! Now that would focus the hard of thinking...

    Doc: "you've an infected appendix"
    Man: "ok, when are you going to take it out"
    Doc: "what's your wife's due date again? Well, we could probably take it out about 10 weeks before that at the earliest"
    Man: "whaaat?? but... but... I'll die!!"
    Doc: "Ah no. You are only at risk of dying. It's not imminent yet. Come back in when you are septic and we'll give you an antibiotic then"
    Man: "???"
    Doc: "you can get on a plane and go to a hospital in another country at your own expense, if you are well enough to travel. But you'll have to choose your own clinic. I can't refer you."
    Man"???"
    Man" Well, can I get anything for the excruciating pain??"
    Doc: "Certainly. Here's a prescription for paracetamol. It's all I can prescribe. One box though."


  • #9185
    Cupcake_Crisis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,448 ✭✭✭✭Cupcake_Crisis


    Logo wrote: »
    I am trying to have a civil conversation with you. Hitler was involved in mass murder. By voting yes you too are agreeing to mass murder of innocent 6 month old children - at least Hitler's victims had some quality of life.

    The church was also involved in the mass murder of babies. By voting no on religious grounds you’re agreeing with the mass murder of innocent living children.

    If you could also inform me about how you would go about procuring a termination for a 6 month old I’d be very grateful.


  • #9186
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Logo wrote:
    I am trying to have a civil conversation with you. Hitler was involved in mass murder. By voting yes you too are agreeing to mass murder of innocent 6 month old children - at least Hitler's victims had some quality of life.


    How in any way, shape, or form can irrationally and hysterically comparing a significant portion of the world to Hilter and his mass murdering tendencies be considered a civil conversation?


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  • #9187
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,383 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Logo, do you celebrate your children's conception day? Cake? Presents?

    Thought not.


  • #9188
    Logo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭Logo


    January wrote: »
    Your willful ignorance is astounding. The proposed legislation has been explained to you.

    6 month old children will not be murdered if the 8th is repealed.
    You are correct. If a yes vote then three month old children will be aborted without question. Six month children will be eliminated on health grounds. Please respond if this is incorrect. Thanks


  • #9189
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    Logo wrote: »
    You are correct. Three month old children can be aborted. Six month children can be eliminated on health grounds. Please respond if this is incorrect. Thanks

    It is incorrect.

    Again, we've discussed this, serious risk. Not just on any health grounds.


  • #9190
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Logo wrote: »
    You are correct. Three month old children can be aborted. Six month children can be eliminated on health grounds. Please respond if this is incorrect. Thanks

    It is incorrect, they are only children after they are BORN! I find it frightening that you actually have vote.


  • #9191
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,246 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    There are not enough eyeroll emoji in.the world for this idiotic post.

    Em, I think it's just been beat.
    Logo wrote: »
    Thanks for your answer but I was trying to be civil . If I vote yes then I will agree to the slaughter of children up to 6 months old without question


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  • #9192
    Dressing gown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭Dressing gown


    DOS wrote: »
    Just returned from my local Church of Ireland Sunday Service. Amazing to see our church overflowing outside with young and old. Our little community gathered together.

    Our pastor gave a rousing sermon about the value of life from the womb to the tomb. Love for the unborn, babies, todlers, teenagers, women and men, pregnant women, the elderly, the poor and all the vulnerable in society.

    It was greeted with tremendous applause.

    Church has nothing to do with the no campaign...


  • #9193
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Logo wrote:
    You are correct. Three month old children can be aborted. Six month children can be eliminated on health grounds. Please respond if this is incorrect. Thanks

    Question: if a baby is born and lives for 3 months, how do you refer to it?


  • #9194
    Calina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Calina


    Logo wrote: »
    Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »
    If you know what you’re voting on why are you spouting lies?

    And where does hitler fit in to this equation? I genuinely don’t know where you’re going with that.

    I am trying to have a civil conversation with you. Hitler was involved in mass murder. By voting yes you too are agreeing to mass murder of innocent 6 month old children - at least Hitler's victims had some quality of life.

    Okay I know you have been pulled up on this. We are not talking about 6 month old children. Age is counted from birth. No one is talking about killing children.

    They are talking about ending pregnancies and the overwhelming majority of pregnancies which are tsrminated are terminated within 12 weeks of pregnancy. Not age of the child. The overwhelming majority of pregnancies are completed with a child born at the end.


  • #9195
    Dressing gown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭Dressing gown


    Logo wrote: »
    You are correct. If a yes vote then three month old children will be aborted without question. Six month children will be eliminated on health grounds. Please respond if this is incorrect. Thanks

    Let’s try again. Three month old and six month old children are irrelevant to this debate. They have already been born. So your above post is 100% incorrect.


  • #9196
    DOS
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 191 ✭✭DOS


    Dressing gown wrote: »
    Church has nothing to do with the no campaign...

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/church-of-ireland-opposes-unrestricted-abortion-in-first-12-weeks-of-pregnancy-1.3381237%3fmode=amp


  • #9197
    fxotoole
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭fxotoole


    DOS wrote: »
    Just returned from my local Church of Ireland Sunday Service. Amazing to see our church overflowing outside with young and old. Our little community gathered together.

    Our pastor gave a rousing sermon about the value of life from the womb to the tomb. Love for the unborn, babies, todlers, teenagers, women and men, pregnant women, the elderly, the poor and all the vulnerable in society.

    It was greeted with tremendous applause.

    Pity they couldn’t give a fiddlers about babies once they’re born


  • #9198
    fxotoole
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭fxotoole


    Logo wrote: »
    I am trying to have a civil conversation with you. Hitler was involved in mass murder. By voting yes you too are agreeing to mass murder of innocent 6 month old children - at least Hitler's victims had some quality of life.

    Godwin’s Law in all its glory. Don’t you have any arguments more convincing than “you’re all Nazis”?


  • #9199
    DOS
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 191 ✭✭DOS


    fxotoole wrote: »
    Pity they couldn’t give a fiddlers about babies once they’re born

    Sweeping generalised nothing post. Replying just to say 'something'. My church is concerned about life at all stages.


  • #9200
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    gandalf wrote: »
    It is incorrect, they are only children after they are BORN! I find it frightening that you actually have vote.

    According to this 'reasoning' I had scrambled chicken on toast this morning :D

    :rolleyes:


  • #9201
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    wexie wrote: »
    According to this 'reasoning' I had scrambled chicken on toast this morning :D

    :rolleyes:

    I'm stealing that!


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  • #9202
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    gmisk wrote: »
    Latest referendum polls show the 'Yes' side is ahead as gap narrows http://jrnl.ie/4023304


    That is a strange headline. In the story we learn that :

    The Sunday Business Post/Red C poll published today shows that 56% are in favour of voting to repeal the Eighth Amendment, a three-point increase on the same question last month.

    and:

    A Sunday Times/Behaviour & Attitudes poll, also published today, showed that the ‘Yes’ side is on 52%, rising by five percentage points, and that the ‘No’ side is on 24%.

    The third poll is the Irish Times/MRBI which did show a narrowing gap, but two out of the three polls show the gap widening, not narrowing.


  • #9203
    fxotoole
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭fxotoole


    DOS wrote: »
    Sweeping generalised nothing post. Replying just to say 'something'. My church is concerned about life at all stages.

    Tell that to Savita.


  • #9204
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    DOS wrote: »
    My church is concerned about life at all stages.


    The rest of us are quite concerned about your church.


  • #9205
    Dressing gown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭Dressing gown


    DOS wrote: »
    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/church-of-ireland-opposes-unrestricted-abortion-in-first-12-weeks-of-pregnancy-1.3381237%3fmode=amp

    I was being ironic. We’ve been told repeatedly that the no vote has nothing to do with the religion. It is patently obvious that it is all to with religion and the church trying to influence the state. Which has no place in a free democracy.
    It speaks volumes that the most greatly lauded no campaigner is Maria Steen of the Iona Institute. A religious body. What about separation of Church and State? Not yet, not until the 8th is repealed.

    The only reason the no campaign don’t push the fact that it’s all about religion is because they know it would sicken some of their voters if they did. they are absolutely comfortable with being economical with the truth. Win at all costs.

    Don’t get me started on Maria Steen...


  • #9206
    DOS
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 191 ✭✭DOS


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    The rest of us are quite concerned about your church.

    You are concerned about the Church of Ireland?


  • #9207
    Logo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭Logo


    Dressing gown wrote: »
    Let’s try again. Three month old and six month old children are irrelevant to this debate. They have already been born. So your above post is 100% incorrect.

    I'm sure Hitler used the same logic


  • #9208
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    DOS wrote: »
    You are concerned about the Church of Ireland?


    Yes, the CoI was opposed to the 8th back in 1983 because it is sectarian Catholic dogma.


    Now they look to be getting played by the Catholic Church into voting for it to remain to prevent the 12 week proposal. They should clearly state that they want the 8th repealed and then oppose the 12 week legislation.


  • #9209
    Macha
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 6,382 Mod ✭✭✭✭Macha


    DOS wrote: »
    You are concerned about the Church of Ireland?

    DOS, two genuine questions: if you genuinely believe life begins at conception, are you against the morning after pill? And do you think that women who take abortion pills in Ireland should face a 14 year jail sentence?


  • #9210
    Dressing gown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭Dressing gown


    Logo wrote: »
    I'm sure Hitler used the same logic

    Ok


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  • #9211
    DOS
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 191 ✭✭DOS


    Dressing gown wrote: »
    I was being ironic. We’ve been told repeatedly that the no vote has nothing to do with the religion. It is patently obvious that it is all to with religion and the church trying to influence the state. Which has no place in a free democracy.
    It speaks volumes that the most greatly lauded no campaigner is Maria Steen of the Iona Institute. A religious body. What about separation of Church and State? Not yet, not until the 8th is repealed.

    The only reason the no campaign don’t push the fact that it’s all about religion is because they know it would sicken some of their voters if they did. they are absolutely comfortable with being economical with the truth. Win at all costs.

    Don’t get me started on Maria Steen...

    What church are you talking about? I'm Church of Ireland. Though I respect all Christian brethren.

    Your post is bigoted against Christians. So much for liberty that the masses on here claim they seek.


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