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8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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  • #8402
    Pugzilla
    Site Banned Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭Pugzilla


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Way to miss the point.

    In most civilised countries a termination of the pregnancy is possible so that treatment can commence/continue.

    In Ireland we deny women that right.

    Pregnancy tests are performed to prevent irradiating foetuses with ionising radiation which can cause severe birth defects. This is done even in countries that allow abortion.


  • #8403
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Pugzilla wrote: »
    Pregnancy tests are performed to prevent irradiating foetuses with ionising radiation which can cause severe birth defects. This is done even in countries that allow abortion.

    And women would have the CHOICE to terminate or not.


  • #8404
    Pugzilla
    Site Banned Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭Pugzilla


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    We've been through this. Certain treatments can't be given to pregnant women in every country, sure. The issue is that in other countries, women can choose to have a termination in order to receive the treatment that is contraindicated with pregnancy. It has everything to do with the 8th amendment.

    People are complaining about seemingly unnecessary pregnancy tests, there's a good reason for them. I also happen to have a medical degree.....


  • #8405
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    Pugzilla wrote: »
    Pregnancy tests are performed to prevent irradiating foetuses with ionising radiation which can cause severe birth defects. This is done even in countries that allow abortion.

    Yes, radiation can't be given to pregnant women anywhere. That's not the issue. The issue is that in other countries, if the woman wants to get that radiation, she can just easily get a termination, no delay.


  • #8406
    Pugzilla
    Site Banned Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭Pugzilla


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    And women would have the CHOICE to terminate or not.

    That's a completely different issue. Pregnancy tests are done before procedures to prevent litigation. Doctors don't have any other secret agenda.


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  • #8407
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Nettle Soup wrote: »
    I knew it would be difficult but I really did not think the Referendum campaign would be so fractious (after all the damage the 8th has done) and I certainly didn't think the No campaign would use so many dirty tricks.

    So you don't remember 1983 - hold onto your hat, it is about to get worse.


  • #8408
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    In fact, this might be their very last stand. I can't see anyone getting so excited about deleting the separation time limit on divorce or deleting the preamble.

    Euthanasia will be about murdering people from the second they are born. Although that's legislature, not referendum material.

    Any motion to change drug laws will be hysteria abound, drugs, sex, abortions that'd really get under the "Morals Morals Morals" peoples skin.


  • #8409
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    Pugzilla wrote: »
    People are complaining about seemingly unnecessary pregnancy tests, there's a good reason for them. I also happen to have a medical degree.....

    I'm a crime-fighting astrophysicist. I'm also Jessica Rabbit.


  • #8410
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    Euthanasia will be about murdering people from the second they are born. Although that's legislature, not referendum material.

    Any motion to change drug laws will be hysteria abound, drugs, sex, abortions that'd really get under the "Morals Morals Morals" peoples skin.

    Edit. Mistake.


  • #8411
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭screamer


    Well I just read what Leo Varadkar has has to say about the proposed legislation if the referendum is passed and it will make no difference whatsoever to fatal fetal abnormalities it seems. All it will allow for is blanket abortion up to 10 weeks gestation....and I quote from the rte website. So, more than ever I am convinced than ever a no vote is needed.

    "Once you get past the 12-week pregnancy, the only grounds on which an abortion can happen is a threat to the life of the mother or serious risk to her health."


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  • #8412
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,014 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    Euthanasia will be about murdering people from the second they are born. Although that's legislature, not referendum material.

    Any motion to change drug laws will be hysteria abound, drugs, sex, abortions that'd really get under the "Morals Morals Morals" peoples skin.

    It must be horrible really. Imagining everything is a genocide.


  • #8413
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Pugzilla wrote: »
    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    And women would have the CHOICE to terminate or not.

    That's a completely different issue. Pregnancy tests are done before procedures to prevent litigation. Doctors don't have any other secret agenda.
    Are you even reading what you’re replying to?


  • #8414
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    screamer wrote: »
    Well I just read what Leo Varadkar has has to say about the proposed legislation if the referendum is passed and it will make no difference whatsoever to fatal fetal abnormalities it seems. All it will allow for is blanket abortion up to 10 weeks gestation....and I quote from the rte website. So, more than ever I am convinced than ever a no vote is needed.

    "Once you get past the 12-week pregnancy, the only grounds on which an abortion can happen is a threat to the life of the mother or serious risk to her health."

    What are you getting from denying people the choice to do what they want with their own bodies?

    Does it make you feel good to force women to stay pregnant against their will? Or force them to go to a foreign country to have an abortion? Their reasons for the abortion are their own or between them and their partner, no one else.

    Honestly, you won't have an abortion. That's fine. But forcing others to bend to your will for no reason is ridiculous.

    You can choose what you want to do with you're life and your body. Everyone else should be able to do the same.


  • #8415
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,014 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    What are you getting from denying people the choice to do what they want with their own bodies?

    Does it make you feel good to force women to stay pregnant against their will? Or force them to go to a foreign country to have an abortion? Their reasons for the abortion are their own or between them and their partner, no one else.

    Honestly, you won't have an abortion. That's fine. But forcing others to bend to your will for no reason is ridiculous.

    Nah if its passed sure it will be the doctor that forces the abortion. Or have to check with the village elder. Abortions will totally be forced on people.

    According to some anyway. :P


  • #8416
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,363 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    I'm a crime-fighting astrophysicist. I'm also Jessica Rabbit.

    Man dont say things like that when I am tired. My brain combined the three images and now all I can see is Neil DeGrasse Tyson in a cape, tights and underwear, with great shapely cartoon legs, and bunny ears.

    This is not an image conducive to the eating and sleeping I had planned for the rest of my evening.


  • #8417
    Pugzilla
    Site Banned Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭Pugzilla


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    Yes, radiation can't be given to pregnant women anywhere. That's not the issue. The issue is that in other countries, if the woman wants to get that radiation, she can just easily get a termination, no delay.

    Radiation has far more uses in medicine than simply radiotherapy. Pulmonary embolisms are diagnosed with a pulmonary angiogram. Someone with angina and strong family history of coronary artery disease may go for a coronary angiogram. A patient with dysphagia might get a barium swallow. An intramedullary nail for a femoral fracture will need fluoroscopy. They're just a few examples. All these involve radiation exposure to varying degrees. Foetuses are especially susceptible to this.


  • #8418
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    Euthanasia will be about murdering people from the second they are born. Although that's legislature, not referendum material.

    Any motion to change drug laws will be hysteria abound, drugs, sex, abortions that'd really get under the "Morals Morals Morals" peoples skin.

    Essentially, anything which allows individuals to prioritise earthly pleasure and enjoyment of their life, this going against the moronic "suffering is good for you, pleasure is bad for you, because we all have to do time to make up for some idiot eating an apple he shouldn't have a few million years ago" ideology which pervades Christianity and manages to totally miss the entire point of what Christ's word was actually about.

    Again, I know that not everyone opposed to abortion is opposed for these reasons, but there's is a good chunk of people - they're popping up regularly in this very thread - who oppose it (and other things such as your example of drugs) for no reason other than "anything which makes it easier for people to engage in purely hedonistic activity is inherently immoral for some ridiculous and totally unquantifiable reason".

    These are the ones who drive me absolutely up the wall. Those who oppose it because they truly believe it to be an issue of killing an innocent human I have sympathy for even if I don't agree with them, but as soon as people start alluding to anything which gets anywhere close to the concept that sex for pleasure and pleasure alone is "wrong", personally that's when my blood starts to boil.


  • #8419
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,014 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »
    Man dont say things like that when I am tired. My brain combined the three images and now all I can see is Neil DeGrasse Tyson in a cape, tights and underwear, with great shapely cartoon legs, and bunny ears.

    This is not an image conducive to the eating and sleeping I had planned for the rest of my evening.
    Sounds like you have more fun plans ahead :D


  • #8420
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    Campaigning for the "Yes" vote in the upcoming referendum has attracted a large proportion of these individuals

    That's bollocks to be frank.

    My wife has met a lot of Yes campaigners (she's canvassing herself) and they're all sound, normal people. No 'shrill' students or 'SJWs' or 'feminazis' :rolleyes: among them. Just average people.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #8421
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    Pugzilla wrote: »
    Radiation has far more uses in medicine than simply radiotherapy. Pulmonary embolisms are diagnosed with a pulmonary angiogram. Someone with angina and strong family history of coronary artery disease may go for a coronary angiogram. A patient with dysphagia might get a barium swallow. An intramedullary nail for a femoral fracture will need fluoroscopy. They're just a few examples. All these involve radiation exposure to varying degrees. Foetuses are especially susceptible to this.

    Well that certainly put to bed the argument that radiation only has one use. An argument that nobody was making.


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  • #8422
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    joe40 wrote: »
    There is about a 5 mile stretch of dual carriageway on the way into letterkenny.( only dual carriageway in the county but thats a different gripe), but ther must be literally thousands of small white wooden crosses all along the road. About 5 miles of maybe a metre apart.
    Serious effort if nothing else, but does look a bit ridiculous.

    Those displays are always ironic in the US because they also coincide with the same crowd who think sure guns are great all you need to stop murders is Jesus - and guns.


  • #8423
    Pugzilla
    Site Banned Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭Pugzilla


    Esmeralda Inexpensive Balloonist wrote: »
    Well that certainly put to bed the argument that radiation only has one use. An argument that nobody was making.

    People are ignorant of the reasons for pregnancy tests in hospitals. Eight amendment doesn't factor into it.


  • #8424
    Dressing gown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭Dressing gown


    Esmeralda Inexpensive Balloonist wrote: »
    Well that certainly put to bed the argument that radiation only has one use. An argument that nobody was making.

    Can’t stop laughing at this comment. Kids think I’ve gone mad!


  • #8425
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    Pugzilla wrote: »
    Radiation has far more uses in medicine... blah de blah de blah ...Foetuses are especially susceptible to this.

    They are indeed. Which is why a pregnant woman who needs to receive radiation should be given a termination if she requests one. :)


  • #8426
    Pugzilla
    Site Banned Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭Pugzilla


    kylith wrote: »
    Are you even reading what you’re replying to?

    Yes, a SJW trying to use a common medical practice as another example of being oppressed.


  • #8427
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,014 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Pugzilla wrote: »
    Yes, a SJW trying to use a common medical practice as another example of being oppressed.

    I have no clue what battle you are fighting.

    Didnt you say youre not voting anyway?


  • #8428
    Pugzilla
    Site Banned Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭Pugzilla


    pjohnson wrote: »
    I have no clue what battle you are fighting.

    Didnt you say youre not voting anyway?

    I'm battling against ignorance.


  • #8429
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Pugzilla wrote: »
    People are ignorant of the reasons for pregnancy tests in hospitals. Eight amendment doesn't factor into it.

    No they aren't . It's actually you who doesn't seem to comprehend what people are saying...


  • #8430
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,014 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Pugzilla wrote: »
    I'm battling against ignorance.

    Well yeah I gathered that but it seems the battle is going on in your head and you are leaking it onto the forum. I'm not sure who you are attempting to argue with outside of yourself?


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  • #8431
    Dressing gown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭Dressing gown


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Well yeah I gathered that but it seems the battle is going on in your head and you are leaking it onto the forum. I'm not sure who you are attempting to argue with outside of yourself?

    Ah man actual tears. Go easy that fella must have just finished a double shift or something.


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